Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

Does anybody have any Azov Greek k12b results? They are supposed to be the descendants of Pontic Greeks that have settled in Crimea in 12th century. From what I've seen their Y-DNA results look Caucasus, I wonder how they score.

https://i.hizliresim.com/eQcVQH.png

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Originally Posted by RatCat

Does anybody have any Azov Greek k12b results? They are supposed to be the descendants of Pontic Greeks that have settled in Crimea in 12th century. From what I've seen their Y-DNA results look Caucasus, I wonder how they score.

https://i.hizliresim.com/eQcVQH.png

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Greek settled in Crimea atleast 2000 years ago. The Locals might have carried such Y-DNA in Crimea

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Originally Posted by Kyp

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Buusra,25.18,3.22,0,0,8.01,24.34,0.40,0,2.98,0.72,35.15,0

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Distance to: Buusra
4.20122601 Tabasaran
4.42967267 Avar
4.43998874 Kaitag_Dagestan
4.68760067 Lak
4.96918504 Dargin
5.69696410 Lezgin
5.91091363 Kubachi_Dagestan
8.96219839 Kumyk
9.36744362 Chechen
9.90369123 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.74694854 Ingush
12.12634735 Kabardin
12.86600948 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.42052905 Balkar
13.94477321 Abazin
14.27538791 Karachay
14.53164822 Circassian
14.54629850 Yagnobi
15.46254830 Adyghe
16.44947720 Ossetian
17.73093624 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
18.59400441 Iran_Khorasan
18.61629125 Tajik_Lowland
18.74102985 Nogai
18.81690995 Turkmen_TM

Target: Buusra
Distance: 1.4014% / 1.40143447 | ADC: 0.5x RC
59.0 Dargin
22.3 Lezgin
18.7 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain

Distance to: Buusra
1.35880616 93.40% Avar + 6.60% Sardinian
1.35920458 80.20% Dargin + 19.80% Turk_Northwest
1.52558077 90.60% Avar + 9.40% France_Corsica
1.58157212 81.00% Dargin + 19.00% Turk_Southwest

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Thank you, seems interesting and very Northern Caucasian along with some Tatar element :)

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Originally Posted by Leto

Oh I know you, pretty sure I posted your results in one of the previous volumes of this thread :)
Your Mediterranean is quite high, I wonder why.

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yes I noticed that too and combined with Avar component they give the most accurate results, I think :)

in my research it is most probably due to the Avar dissemination in Europe and I have high matches in Catalonia and Basque too. If you remember my Slavic components are high as well, no wonder

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Originally Posted by Fedora

Greek settled in Crimea atleast 2000 years ago. The Locals might have carried such Y-DNA in Crimea

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I dont know, on MDLP they can be modelled as Half Pontic Greek

Target: Azov_Greek
Distance: 1.0281% / 1.02811791 | R3P
50.6 Greek_Trabzon
41.7 Bulgarian
7.7 Nogai


Target: Azov_Greek
Distance: 0.8559% / 0.85586885 | R3P
46.7 Greek_Trabzon
34.1 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
19.2 Croat

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Originally Posted by Buusra

in my research it is most probably due to the Avar dissemination in Europe and I have high matches in Catalonia and Basque too. If you remember my Slavic components are high as well, no wonder

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I don't think the Avars were ever present in Europe or outside the North Caucasus. And that's not really Slavic either. Dagestan is the most European HG part of the Caucasus, I think that's because of the close proximity to the Eurasian Steppe which is just north of the Caspian Sea. On the other hand, the Northwestern Caucasus has a stronger Anatolian/Black Sea affinity but also stronger Turkic influence.

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Originally Posted by Buusra

in my research it is most probably due to the Avar dissemination in Europe and I have high matches in Catalonia and Basque too. If you remember my Slavic components are high as well, no wonder

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I don't think the Avars were ever present in Europe or outside the North Caucasus. And that's not really Slavic either. Dagestan is the most European HG part of the Caucasus, I think that's because of the close proximity to the Eurasian Steppe which is just north of the Caspian Sea. On the other hand, the Northwestern Caucasus has a stronger Anatolian/Black Sea affinity but also stronger Turkic influence.

https://geocurrents.info/wp-content/...itical_Map.jpg
Kalmykia and Astrakhan were part of the Indo-European/Yamnaya sphere.

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Originally Posted by RatCat

I dont know, on MDLP they can be modelled as Half Pontic Greek

Target: Azov_Greek
Distance: 1.0281% / 1.02811791 | R3P
50.6 Greek_Trabzon
41.7 Bulgarian
7.7 Nogai


Target: Azov_Greek
Distance: 0.8559% / 0.85586885 | R3P
46.7 Greek_Trabzon
34.1 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
19.2 Croat

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As far i know they speak a Pontic dialect, so there must be a relation between both groups. I don’t think that ancient Greek settlers did successfully left genetic traces there, its more Byzantine/Trebizond heritage. These results perfectly reflect the history of Crimea and Azov Greeks.

Highly unusual result from North-West Azerbaijan. The person is of Ayrum ancestry.
This man's closest match is Azerbaijanis of Turkey, but even they are rather distant at 5.4.

https://i.imgur.com/nR566pU.png
https://i.imgur.com/QPW4Ngq.png

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Hidden Azerbaijanis...

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I am not sure but i think we are descendants of Aqqoyunlu and Qaraqoyunlu Turkmens like our Azerbaijan Turk and Iranian Turk(Turkmen, Iranian Azerbaijan) brothers
Just we migrated to western central anatolia later.