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08-15-2011, 05:34 PM
Pallantides

My results(NO2)

West European - 0%
East European - 1.7%
Northwest European - 41.09%
North European - 45.16%
East Asian - 0%
South European - 0%
Sub-Saharan African - 0%
North Asian - 0%
Baltic - 12.02%
08-15-2011, 05:43 PM
Sahson

Here is the amended version of AlabamaMan's impressive work - clicky
08-15-2011, 05:50 PM
Rochefaton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sahson

Here is the amended version of AlabamaMan's impressive work - clicky

Thanks, bro. :) I knew there would be some errors in my spreadsheet considering I worked on it between 1 AM and 3 AM this morning. I really appreciate you working out the kinks for me. You saved me some time.
08-15-2011, 06:04 PM
Barreldriver

My corrected RMS results for EU9d:

1. United States 3.98
2. Canada 6.75
3. Australia 8.73
4. Kent 12.71
5. Germany 13
6. United Kingdom 15.65
7. Austria 17.9
8. France 19.76
9. Netherlands 21.25
10. Norway 24.05

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k...14copycopy.jpg
08-15-2011, 06:05 PM
Frederick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apotheosis

I think AJ is actually Albania not Azerbaijan since AJ samples have no Asian but are high in South European and significant Baltic (Slavic) admixture are also present.

No. I mistook AJ for Azerbaijan too once.
But when I asked David, he explained me:

AJ = Ashkenazi Jewish
08-15-2011, 06:10 PM
Rochefaton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barreldriver

My corrected RMS results for EU9d:

1. United States 3.98
2. Canada 6.75
3. Australia 8.73
4. Kent 12.71
5. Germany 13
6. United Kingdom 15.65
7. Austria 17.9
8. France 19.76
9. Netherlands 21.25
10. Norway 24.05

Our top 10 are very similar this time around, BD:

US 4.32
CA 7.94
AU 9.86
DE 10.17
Kent 12.46
UK 15.51
AT 17.98
NL 18.9
FR 21.03
NO 21.63
08-15-2011, 06:16 PM
Sahson

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlabamaMan

Our top 10 are very similar this time around, BD:

US 4.32
CA 7.94
AU 9.86
DE 10.17
Kent 12.46
UK 15.51
AT 17.98
NL 18.9
FR 21.03
NO 21.63

1. AU 3.35 (surprise! I contribute 1/3 to this...)
2. CA 3.93
3. US 5.02
4. Kent 6.67
5. UK 9.46
6. DE 17
7. NL 18.23
8. NO 18.91
9. Cornwall 22.67
10. AT 24.47
08-15-2011, 06:36 PM
Peasant

http://i55.tinypic.com/4r40v5.jpg

Pie chart again. :p
08-15-2011, 06:38 PM
Pallantides

I wonder why my "East European" score is so low, even compared to some Brits?
08-15-2011, 06:45 PM
Barreldriver

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

I wonder why my "East European" score is so low, even compared to some Brits?

Caught that your Baltic score is less than mine. :P Figured Norway to be closer to the Balts than the UK.
08-15-2011, 07:09 PM
Sahson

Peasant

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...1/Uk41Rmsd.png

New World
AU 11.8
CA 13.04
US 15.79

Old World
1. UK 7.09
2. Kent 7.4
3. Cornwall 18.18
4. NO 23.26
5. S.W. scot 23.84
6. NL 24.41
08-15-2011, 07:26 PM
poiuytrewq0987

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallantides

I wonder why my "East European" score is so low, even compared to some Brits?

You Northern Europeans are more Slavic than me. :coffee:
08-15-2011, 07:30 PM
Sahson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apotheosis

You Northern Europeans are more Slavic than me. :coffee:

you're more Jewish than me. Are you hiding something?
08-15-2011, 08:05 PM
Loki

Me:

34.53 Northwest European
34.09 North European
11.34 Baltic
10.93 South European
7.39 West European
1.64 Sub-Saharan African
0.08 East Asian
0.00 East European
0.00 North Asian
08-15-2011, 08:24 PM
Damião de Góis

West European - 34.7%
South European - 31.2%
Northwest European - 16.3%
North European - 9.2%
Baltic - 7.3%
Sub Saharan African - 1.0%

East European - 0%
North Asian - 0%
East Asian - 0%
08-15-2011, 08:31 PM
Pallantides

Norwegians - NWE and NE

Northwest European(peaks in Ireland and Cornwall)

NO7 - 45.97%
NO2 - 41.09%
NO5 - 36.6%
NO6 - 36.12%
NO4 - 32.59%
NO9 - 32.01%
NO1 - 31.61%
NO8 - 30.15%
NO10 - 29.2%
NO3 - 0%

North European(peaks in Southern Scandinavia)

NO3 - 100%
NO9 - 56.51%
NO4 - 54.48%
NO10 - 53.57%
NO8 - 51.29%
NO5 - 50.73%
NO2 - 45.16%
NO1 - 44.38%
NO6 - 41.77%
NO7 - 28.61%
08-15-2011, 08:59 PM
Lisa

Hey guys, you seriously trust these people? Polako and other ... And their strange tables and maps? :rolleyes:
08-15-2011, 09:01 PM
Libertas

Yes we do.
08-15-2011, 09:10 PM
Loki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nero

Hey guys, you seriously trust these people? Polako and other ... And their strange tables and maps? :rolleyes:

It definitely gives a good insight into our genetic makeup. Makes a whole lot of sense, too. Agrees with what we know about our ancestry. This is not just wishful thinking ...
08-15-2011, 09:37 PM
Amapola

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexDelarge

West European - 34.7%
South European - 31.2%
Northwest European - 16.3%
North European - 9.2%
Baltic - 7.3%
Sub Saharan African - 1.0%

East European - 0%
North Asian - 0%
East Asian - 0%

West European - 34.7% 30,21%
South European - 31.2% 42,28%
Northwest European - 16.3% 5,26%
North European - 9.2% 20,30%
Baltic - 7.3% 1,92 %
Sub Saharan African - 1.0% 0%

Mine are in bold.

As loki said it's really a good insight, and I have discovered a few recurrents things that can be explained in contrast with Alex' results. I always get to be more "Southern or Mediterranean or any label applied to it" than "Western" by a bit, and at the same time, i tend to have more "Northern" than "British/Atlantic" or the name you like best for it and in this, I almost lead Iberians, the difference with Alex here is just ridiculous: 9-20. He is more balanced with the Northwest rate.

How is the Baltic thing in Iberians? I don't get why some appear to have none and others like you 7 or higher. :confused:
08-15-2011, 09:38 PM
Lisa

Quote:

Originally Posted by St Loki

It definitely gives a good insight into our genetic makeup. Makes a whole lot of sense, too. Agrees with what we know about our ancestry. This is not just wishful thinking ...

There are a lot of questions and no answers. Polako and his works are interesting only to members of the project.
08-15-2011, 09:47 PM
Loki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nero

There are a lot of questions and no answers. Polako and his works are interesting only to members of the project.

Yes, a lot of questions, but at least we're all looking for answers instead of standing from the side and criticizing. Why don't you join the project too?
08-15-2011, 09:48 PM
poiuytrewq0987

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nero

There are a lot of questions and no answers. Polako and his works are interesting only to members of the project.

You shouldn't take his tests literally but they are interesting to explore for us. :)
08-15-2011, 09:50 PM
poiuytrewq0987

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fresa Salvaje

West European - 34.7% 30,21%
South European - 31.2% 42,28%
Northwest European - 16.3% 5,26%
North European - 9.2% 20,30%
Baltic - 7.3% 1,92 %
Sub Saharan African - 1.0% 0%

Mine are in bold.

As loki said it's really a good insight, and I have discovered a few recurrents things that can be explained in contrast with Alex' results. I always get to be more "Southern or Mediterranean or any label applied to it" than "Western" by a bit, and at the same time, i tend to have more "Northern" than "British/Atlantic" or the name you like best for it and in this, I almost lead Iberians, the difference with Alex here is just ridiculous: 9-20. He is more balanced with the Northwest rate.

How is the Baltic thing in Iberians? I don't get why some appear to have none and others like you 7 or higher. :confused:

Having lots of South European could be a leftover from Roman times. The Romans loved going to Hibernia and the peninsula was loyal to the Roman Empire until the very end when the Visigoths conquered it.
08-15-2011, 09:52 PM
Damião de Góis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fresa Salvaje

West European - 34.7% 30,21%
South European - 31.2% 42,28%
Northwest European - 16.3% 5,26%
North European - 9.2% 20,30%
Baltic - 7.3% 1,92 %
Sub Saharan African - 1.0% 0%

Mine are in bold.

As loki said it's really a good insight, and I have discovered a few recurrents things that can be explained in contrast with Alex' results. I always get to be more "Southern or Mediterranean or any label applied to it" than "Western" by a bit, and at the same time, i tend to have more "Northern" than "British/Atlantic" or the name you like best for it and in this, I almost lead Iberians, the difference with Alex here is just ridiculous: 9-20. He is more balanced with the Northwest rate.

How is the Baltic thing in Iberians? I don't get why some appear to have none and others like you 7 or higher. :confused:

I'm a bad example to choose for a comparison because i have a very low "North European" in comparison with most other iberians. In other words, your results are more in line with other iberians than mine.
From what i see, there are more iberians with a more "North European" and low "North Atlantic" than the other way around.

As for the Baltic i think it can be explained with east germanic tribes? Suebians or Vandals. If not, then it's some old pre-historic connection.
08-15-2011, 09:56 PM
Lisa

Quote:

Originally Posted by St Loki

Yes, a lot of questions, but at least we're all looking for answers instead of standing from the side and criticizing. Why don't you join the project too?

I thought about it
08-15-2011, 10:16 PM
poiuytrewq0987

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nero

Right just for you member of a project, but make conclusions on Nations erroneously.

We haven't concluded on anything, it's all theory and that's what we are doing... theorising.
08-15-2011, 10:39 PM
Amapola

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexDelarge

I'm a bad example to choose for a comparison because i have a very low "North European" in comparison with most other iberians. In other words, your results are more in line with other iberians than mine.
From what i see, there are more iberians with a more "North European" and low "North Atlantic" than the other way around.

As for the Baltic i think it can be explained with east germanic tribes? Suebians or Vandals. If not, then it's some old pre-historic connection.

Yes, I picked you for being the only Iberian for comparison, anyway... and even if you are Portuguese I compared my rates with yours, keeping in mind the Spanish average standard of 15% NW and 15% NE: your northWest European keeps itself according to the Spanish average of 15% while mine is considerably lower. Then your North European is lower than the Spanish average but still higher than my Northwest. I suspect that the Portuguese average numbers must not be very far from this. What is sure is that neither you or me are the best Iberian specimen to set as an example, being both unbalanced to a side. :p
08-15-2011, 10:42 PM
Amapola

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apotheosis

Having lots of South European could be a leftover from Roman times. The Romans loved going to Hibernia and the peninsula was loyal to the Roman Empire until the very end when the Visigoths conquered it.

Hmmm, don't know, don't know. I rather lean towards the "neolithic" thing that, for circumstances, are more present in my genes than the average Iberian. I don't even know what's the average though.
08-15-2011, 11:14 PM
Osweo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fresa Salvaje

your northWest European keeps itself according to the Spanish average of 15% while mine is considerably lower.

I'll fix that for you, Cielito. :cool:

West Euro ...... 0.00001
East Euro ....... 0.00001
Northwest Euro 0.740329
North Euro ..... 0.145091
Gook ............. 0.00001
Wop .............. 0.00001
Nig ................ 0.00001
Chukchi .......... 0.00001
Baltic ............. 0.11452
08-15-2011, 11:38 PM
Libertas

What are the average proportions for North Italians, Tuscans and South Italians?
08-15-2011, 11:38 PM
Frederick

Ok, then I take responability for the Germans *and so took Frederick the crown of the empire and put it on this head. Angels played a catchy tune and Barbarossa smiled from the cave, saying: right so! My rightfull heir just arrived. I might finaly pass on to the heavenly kingdoms now*

And so, the Europeans covered in fear as Frederick pulled his sword and slammed it to the table. Frederick, the whip of god, will whip you into shape. harhar...

ok good for now....

Here are the Germans:

Northern European (Center in Southern Scandinavia)
German average: 34%
DE5 - 58% (German lost eastern terretories)
DE7 - 50% (Northeast German + Southwest German mix with a pinch of Swiss)
DE14 - 44%
DE17 - 38%
DE13 - 37%
ME - 35% (German lost eastern terretories + Northwest German mix with a pinch of Lithuanian)
DE12 - 33%
DE18 - 31%
DE1 - 31% (German lost eastern terretories + Eastgerman mix)
AT1 - 31% (Austrian)
DE10 - 28% (Southgerman + Alsace)
DE16 - 25%
DE15 - 22% (German with pinches of Danish and Czechian)
AT - 22% (Austrian)
DE9 - 20% (German lost eastern terretories + East German)
DE11 - 19% (German lost eastern terretories + Southwest German mix)

North-Western (Center in Ireland and Cornwall)
German average: 25%
DE15 - 45% (German with pinches of Danish and Czechian)
DE17 - 44%
DE9 - 43% (German lost eastern terretories + East German)
DE13 - 41%
AT1 - 30% (Austrian)
DE11 - 28% (German lost eastern terretories + Southwest German mix)
DE18 - 26%
DE1 - 24% (German lost eastern terretories + Eastgerman mix)
AT2 - 22% (Austrian)
ME - 21% (German lost eastern terretories + Northwest German mix with a pinch of Lithuanian)
DE12 - 21%
DE10 - 21% (Southgerman + Alsace)
DE14 - 19%
DE16 - 16%
DE7 - 7% (Northeast German + Southwest German mix with a pinch of Swiss)
DE5 - 0% (German lost eastern terretories)

Baltic (Center in Lithuania)
German average: 19%
DE5 - 33% (German lost eastern terretories)
DE1 - 32% (German lost eastern terretories + Eastgerman mix)
ME - 29% (German lost eastern terretories + Northwest German mix with a pinch of Lithuanian)
AT2 - 29% (Austrian)
DE15 - 22% (German with pinches of Danish and Czechian)
DE16 - 22%
DE18 - 22%
DE7 - 19% (Northeast German + Southwest German mix with a pinch of Swiss)
DE10 - 19% (Southgerman + Alsace)
DE11 - 17% (German lost eastern terretories + Southwest German mix)
DE12 - 16%
DE17 - 14%
AT1 - 14%
DE9 - 10% (German lost eastern terretories + East German)
DE13 - 11%
DE14 - 5%

German lost terretories map for better recall:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg
08-16-2011, 12:03 AM
Electronic God-Man

1 Attachment(s)

EU9:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...7&d=1313449317

Can AlabamaMan or Sahson make me one of those pretty graphs, please?
08-16-2011, 12:18 AM
Pallantides

Could I also get a graph?
08-16-2011, 03:20 AM
Sahson

St. Loki

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...1/lokirmsd.png

New World
US 5.19
CA 8.11
AU 10.1

Old World
1. Kent 12.49
2. DE 13.6
3. UK 15.37
4. AT 18.41
5. NL 19.3
6. FR 19.58
7. NO 23.31
8. CH 25.14
9. Cornwall 26.25
10. SE 29.89
08-16-2011, 03:42 AM
Sahson

Osweo

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/.../Osweormsd.png

New World
AU 39.88
CA 40.05
US 43.35

Old world
1. IE 12.83
2. S.W. scot 18.96
3. Cornwall 23.01
4. UK 39.62
5. Kent 42.13
08-16-2011, 04:14 AM
Sahson

Boadicea

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...oadicarmsd.png

New World
US 5.04
CA 6.64
AU 9.26

Old World
1. Kent 13.38
2. UK 15.39
3. DE 15.55
4. AT 19.01
5. FR 21.44
6. Cornwall 23.03
7. NL 23.04
8. CH 24.94
9. NO 26.22
10 SW scot 27.65
08-16-2011, 07:37 PM
Hussar

My results :

West european : 11,7 %

East European : 0,0%

Northwest euro : 23,5 %

North European : 10,2%

East asian : 0,0%

South european : 45,9%

Sub saharan : 0,0%

North asian : 0,0%

Baltic : 8,4%

Note : in comparison to the previous plot (K-7) the percentage of Baltic and south european is the same ; on the other side, the compact north-atlantic component i had (45%), here seems fragmented in 1) northwest euro 2) west-euro 3) north euro. Or, at least, seems so arithmetically.
Almost like 3 subclades of the same stock (but it's just my personal supposition analysing my results)

There are questions, but it's a good job. Looks like the methodology of Polako is elaborated more with the finality to explore and subdivide the northern european components.
08-18-2011, 07:21 AM
Sahson

Electric God Man

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...n1/us2rmsd.png

New World
US 3.1
CA 4.08
AU 5.25

Old World
1. Kent 10.14
2. UK 12.59
3. DE 14.11
4. NL 19.79
5. NO 20.62
6. AT 21.61
7. Cornwall 23.92
8. FR 25.69
9. SE 28.49
10. SW Scot 28.72
08-18-2011, 07:26 AM
poiuytrewq0987

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sahson

Apricity Comparison Chart Eu9d

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...tycompeu9d.png

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...itybarcomp.png

Q. Can't find you number?
A. It's because I couldn't find it too. Message me your Eurogene code, and I will add you to the comparison charts.

This is really cool. Sahson, could I ask you one more thing? You made me my chart but you didn't list the rankings! :cry2 Could you list it, pretty please? :p

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