Minority. It's also least populated area. Bulk of population lives in and around Zagreb and on Adriatic coast.
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Serbs never had complexes about being Balkan, even Hungarians and other national minorities consider themselves Balkan (in most cases). :D Even though I have to say that I see some differences between me (ancestors from Lika, Dalmatia, east and west Herzegovina) and few friends of mine which ancestors are in Vojvodina for centuries. :)
There are so many Croatian pops now on K13. You may wanna revisit them ;)
Croat_B&H_Bosnia,27.52,32.18,15.42,7.12,13.80,1.50 ,0.64,0.29,0.62,0.30,0.43,0.07,0.12
Croat_B&H_Herzegovina,24.67,32.93,15.61,8.62,14.05 ,1.48,0.72,0.19,0.45,0.60,0.41,0.03,0.07
Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia,26.20,31.95,15.68,9.32,12.99 ,1.71,0.53,0.37,0.37,0.48,0.21,0.11,0.07
Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia,26.19,31.56,16.05,8.45,13.6 6,1.57,0.49,0.19,0.59,0.53,0.37,0.20,0.12
Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar,31.53,32.48,14.46,7.52, 10.28,1.15,0.62,0.29,0.53,0.55,0.31,0.14,0.12
Croat_Croatia_Zagorje,31.65,34.32,13.07,7.78,8.75, 1.54,0.74,0.55,0.29,0.82,0.23,0.09,0.16
Croat_Slavonia,27.81,33.94,14.06,8.36,11.84,1.78,0 .03,0.16,1.04,0.54,0.41,0.02,0.01
Croat_Istria_&_Kvarner,26.65,33.07,15.52,7.14,14.2 4,1.54,0.16,0.40,0.33,0.33,0.45,0.15,0.02
Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj,26.92,32.68,15.74,7.65,13.07,1.54,0.31,0.25,0 .54,0.54,0.52,0.14,0.09
Croat_Croatia_Central,30.20,33.91,14.98,7.32,9.69, 1.11,0.84,0.23,0.35,0.44,0.66,0.05,0.28
Croat,28.6443997424,33.3638665005,14.9490138101,7. 7578279311,11.3500726117,1.4089526703,0.5303876731 ,0.2502890466,0.5243368664,0.493169544,0.498705768 1,0.089342873,0.1577967451
Croat_B&H,26.13,32.36,15.57,8.35,13.61,1.56,0.63,0 .29,0.48,0.46,0.35,0.07,0.09
Croat,28.3678157707,33.2534411855,15.017322291,7.8 229668 587,11.5986646244,1.4255678766,0.5413450291,0.2546 572515,0.5194598111,0.4895208941,0.4823481336,0.08 7215157,0.1503391032
This one? Attachment 101882
These days on the Serbian forum Croatian user said how western Serbs (Serbs from Croatia and BiH) and Montenegrins occupy important functions in Serbia, and it's not clear to him how native Serbs from Serbia allow that. He also said who a lot of Croats from BiH live in Croatia, 1 000 000 Croatians in Croatia originated from BiH, but still there was no president or prime minister ever in Croatia with origin from BiH. Only a few mayors originated from BiH.
Serbian user said to him that Serbs are not so selfish and zatucani as Croats, and for Serbs it's not important from where are their presidents and prime ministers.
Mišomor1 (Croat from Dalmatia) and GeorgeV (Serb) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/...#post-40749141
People like you are complexed because you are afraid of non-Balkan Croats. It is foreign world that scares you.
Serbs aren't complexed because they claims to be what they are - Balkan.
When Croat from let's say Zagreb rejects Balkan label, as he should, you call them complex, because deep down you have inferiority complex.
We don't care how you Balkanites define yourself. But you care very much about what we call ourself.
Because you feel inferior. And maybe you should.
Kako mi takvi iskompleksirani kreteni idu na kurac. Za njih smo mi iz BiH drugorazredni Hrvati ili bosanski katolici. A kao što je jedan BiH Hrvat sa forum.hr rekao, svaki put kad smo legli sa Hrvatima iz Hrvatske ustali smo se posrani, upravo zbog njihove tisućljetne podijeljenosti. Narod koji sam zna biti podijeljen, bilo zbog prošlih država, bilo zbog iskompleksiranosti itd.
Yes. You are complexed as fu** lol, so deeply ashamed of yourself you can't post your DNA results. LOL. You are fucked in the head.
I don't know why you feel inferior, that's question for you to answer. I can't enter brain of complexed people neither understand them.
If you weren't complexed, you wouldn't be so terrified by idea Croatia belongs to 3 cultural regions of which is Balkan only one.
I guess you are afraid if we speak out on foreign forum Croatia isn't only Balkan culture like in your region somehow you will be left out.
That problem is for you to solve.
I don't like you spreading misinformations about Croatia.
What's with the internal Croatian conflict? I thought the Croats outside of Croatia were just... well, Croats outside of Croatia. Is there something that gets in the way of their assimilation in Croatia?
You forgot Serbs from present day Croatia and western Montenegrin coast who lived in Austrian empire and Venetian republic. In some periods Serbs lived in 3 empires.
Serbs always were open to each other regardless on political borders and different cultural influences. My two great-grandfathers worked in Belgrade in 1930s. Once my great-grandfather (from mother's side) and his cousins which worked with him received an offer to move in Grocka near Belgrade with families. When one important man heard from where they are he offered them to move in Grocka and free property, but they did not want. My paternal great-grandfather was known in Belgrade, when he enters in bar everyone got up from their chairs to show him to honor. He brought "bre" from Belgrade, and used that until death.
Woman, I forget everytime about dna until you remind me and you are constantly yaba yaba about dna. I am telling you that I don't feel inferior, get that into your head.
Woman, I am aware that there is some cultural division for obvious reasons, but it seems you are unable to comprehend what I am trying to say. Seems you never will.
He can confirm that's accurate description (his own) of his results. He is more southern shifted than average Herzegovina Croat. Yet that's normal for every region, people aren't clones of each other. There is natural range. Interestingly he doesn't look that southern or Med or Balkan. Looks pretty western Atlanto-Pontid.
I remember Hrvoje would identify as Central European. A man of Western Civilization :cool:
Zato jer velik dio Hrvata ne pripada u Balkan niti želi tamo pripadati - u svijet stran kulturno i povijesno odakle dolaze samo ugroze i zlo.
Većina Srba jesu Balkanci. No autohtoni Vojvođani nisu niti im se mili gurati ih tamo (tipa Vožd), što ne znači da nisu ponosni Srbi. Srpski nacionalizam dobrim dijelom izvire od tih autohtonih Vojvođana.
Stvar je u tome što je Vojvodina danas većinski naseljena balkanskim Srbima pridošlicama tipa Dušan kojima naravno paše da se cijela Srbija strpa u Balkan. Voždu baš to i ne paše, a nije ništa manji Srbin od Dušana.
Jasno je zašto. Drugačija kultura. Zato Vožd nema ništa protiv Vojvođanskih Hrvata a dođoš Dušan bi ih sve istjerao da može. Jeli ti jasno sada?
Još jedna stvar - Srbija je ipak pravoslavna zemlja sa bizantskim nasljeđem kojim se ponosi - a to ju vezuje za Balkan. Nije ni Grčka zapadna Europa već Balkansko-Mediteranska zemlja i svi pravoslavci naginju njoj.
Mi smo katolici koji su uvijek gledali na zapad i primali kulturne utjecaje od tamo - i to se ne može promijeniti.
Izuzev Slovenije nitko drugi na "Balkanu" ne spada u zapadno krsćanski kulturni krug, pa nije ni čudo da se velikom broju Hrvata ne čini da bi se trebali gurati tamo. Nije nam taj Balkan donio ama baš ništa dobroga.
Tema je srpska DNA, tako da ne želim više offtopičariti i idem nanati. Ciao.
I je li Vožd Dušanu išta prebaciva vezano za njegovu 'kulturu'? Ili on to ne radi jer su eto većina Srba Balkanci? Pa se opet vraćamo na isto.
Mi smo ovo, mi smo ono.:rolleyes: Znaš li razmišljati osim u diskretnim intervalima ili misliš da ti se sve mora nametnuti? Tvoj život se svodi što će neki stranac misliti o Hrvatskoj, a time i o tebi.
Povijest Hrvata je povijest podijeljenosti i kompleksaša. To je jednostavno duboko ugravirano vidljivo po takvima kao ti.
Na onom forumu sa mog linka ima jedno 15-ak aktivnih Hrvata samo na podforumu Politika. Svi oni manje ili više propagiraju da su bolji Srba u svemu i svačemu naročito da su kulturniji i više "zapadnjaci." Nekoliko njih ima skoro identične stavove kao Stearsolina. :)
Jedan iz Zagreba kaže da ga uopšte ne zanimaju Hrvati iz BiH i njihova sudbina.
Tko je tebi išta prebaciva za tvoju kulturu? Ti to radiš.
Ne, ja ne radim to nego volim HR i ne lizem dupe Srbima kojih nas ogroman dio patološki mrzi.
Ti si ološ, izdajica skoro u rangu onog posrbljenog jadnika Voighta iz Slavonije, kojega thumb upaju Rununjski četnici koji bi mas najradije zatrli da mogu i stalno šire lazi o HR.
Ti si jad i treba te nogom u dupe.
Mrs u Srbbiju cetnicnki provokatore. I onda prodaj svoje bolesne cetnicke price o dubokim ugraviranostima toga i toga.
Ne tako davno si lizao dupe sjevernim Europljanima i saginjao se pred njima. Haha, bljak.
Je li tvoja servilnost balkanski obicaj? Jos jedan dokaz vise za distancirati se od orjunasa ka sta si ti.
Why is thread about Serbian autosomal genetics now polluted with well known Croatian inferiority complexes?
Please, open topic about that, it will reach 100 pages.