Nice finds! Please share their Dod K12b, just unsorted components.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
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Nice finds! Please share their Dod K12b, just unsorted components.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Just for the fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Target: Impaler_scaled
Distance: 2.5920% / 0.02591988
80.6 Moldovan
9.4 Tatar_Nogai
6.6 Romanian
3.4 Moldovan_o
Distance to: Impaler_scaled
0.04180038 Moldovan:MOL-024
0.04220829 Moldovan:MOL-005
0.04348463 Moldovan:MOL-008
0.04372560 Moldovan:MOL-015
0.04495208 Romanian:A374
0.04535030 Romanian:G434
0.04584644 Romanian:G429
0.04644522 Moldovan:MOL-067
0.04705045 Romanian:G408
0.04776378 Moldovan:7802C01
0.04784176 Moldovan:8062C01
0.04874073 Moldovan:7481C02
0.05079099 Moldovan:MOL-064
0.05117103 Romanian:A362
0.05149838 Romanian:G421
0.05163944 Moldovan:8061C02
0.05177830 Moldovan:7522C02
0.05232451 Moldovan:MOL-069
0.05266931 Moldovan:MOL-058
0.05286083 Romanian:G428
0.05341366 Moldovan:MOL-065
0.05347240 Romanian:A343
0.05351951 Romanian:A325
0.05435035 Moldovan:7461C01
0.05563651 Moldovan:8062C02
Here you go:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Gedrosia 7.48 Pct Siberian 1.49 Pct Northwest_African 0.23 Pct Southeast_Asian - Atlantic_Med 25.69 Pct North_European 42.81 Pct South_Asian - East_African - Southwest_Asian 3.00 Pct East_Asian 1.19 Pct Caucasus 18.12 Pct Sub_Saharan -
Gedrosia 2.55 Pct Siberian - Northwest_African 0.99 Pct Southeast_Asian - Atlantic_Med 23.64 Pct North_European 39.72 Pct South_Asian 2.29 Pct East_African - Southwest_Asian 8.09 Pct East_Asian 1.44 Pct Caucasus 21.29 Pct Sub_Saharan -
There's something a bit wrong with this calculator though; perhaps it's the calculator effect that people were talking about when referring to Dodecad models. The difference between my dad and mom is marginal, whereas anywhere else it's quite noticeable.
Dad
Gedrosia 6.60 Pct Siberian 0.42 Pct Northwest_African 1.42 Pct Southeast_Asian - Atlantic_Med 24.47 Pct North_European 42.36 Pct South_Asian 0.21 Pct East_African - Southwest_Asian 2.23 Pct East_Asian 1.51 Pct Caucasus 20.77 Pct Sub_Saharan -
Mom
Gedrosia 5.39 Pct Siberian 0.60 Pct Northwest_African - Southeast_Asian 0.56 Pct Atlantic_Med 22.80 Pct North_European 43.78 Pct South_Asian 0.28 Pct East_African - Southwest_Asian 3.62 Pct East_Asian 1.44 Pct Caucasus 21.53 Pct Sub_Saharan -
I
Gedrosia 5.71 Pct Siberian 1.53 Pct Northwest_African 0.24 Pct Southeast_Asian - Atlantic_Med 25.42 Pct North_European 40.30 Pct South_Asian 0.11 Pct East_African - Southwest_Asian 4.33 Pct East_Asian 2.00 Pct Caucasus 20.36 Pct Sub_Saharan -
Can you check "Aggregate - No" to run without aggregates? I guess that the chunkiest part of Moldovan in your case should be from "Moldovan:MOL" guys, which represent the Southern profile in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Target: Impaler_scaled
Distance: 2.5920% / 0.02591988
58.8 Moldovan:MOL-005
11.0 Moldovan:MOL-024
9.4 Tatar_Nogai:NOG-357
6.6 Romanian:G429
5.0 Moldovan:MOL-008
3.6 Moldovan:MOL-015
3.4 Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V28645
2.2 Moldovan:MOL-064
Well, it's not perfect and also quite basic but I still like it because it's actually less noisy than others and doesn't have some unnecesary components.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Give me his kit number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Saulea is I-CTS5966, his results were posted here, he is close to my area.
Bacau county, Csango?
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 28.32 2 North_Atlantic 27.65 3 West_Med 15.21 4 West_Asian 12.81 5 East_Med 7.97 6 South_Asian 2.9 7 Red_Sea 2.2 8 Amerindian 1.48 9 Sub-Saharan 1.15 10 Siberian 0.3
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Moldavian 6.85 2 Serbian 7.96 3 Hungarian 8.02 4 Croatian 8.54 5 Austrian 10.11 6 Romanian 10.27 7 East_German 11.1 8 Bulgarian 12.79 9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.72 10 South_Polish 14.48 11 Ukrainian 15.43 12 West_German 15.55 13 South_Dutch 16.92 14 Polish 17.74 15 French 18.18 16 North_German 18.62 17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.79 18 Southwest_Russian 19.01 19 Russian_Smolensk 20.18 20 Greek_Thessaly 20.5
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 77.5% East_German + 22.5% Kumyk @ 4.25 2 78.2% East_German + 21.8% Kabardin @ 4.38 3 79.3% East_German + 20.7% Adygei @ 4.4 4 78.9% East_German + 21.1% Balkar @ 4.44 5 89.2% Hungarian + 10.8% Brahui @ 4.48 6 89% Hungarian + 11% Balochi @ 4.48 7 82% East_German + 18% Georgian @ 4.53 8 82.9% East_German + 17.1% Abhkasian @ 4.55 9 88.9% Hungarian + 11.1% Makrani @ 4.57 10 79.9% East_German + 20.1% North_Ossetian @ 4.68 11 86.3% Hungarian + 13.7% Ossetian @ 4.73 12 81.4% East_German + 18.6% Iranian @ 4.76 13 80.3% East_German + 19.7% Ossetian @ 4.77 14 85% Hungarian + 15% Kabardin @ 4.78 15 81.3% East_German + 18.7% Kurdish @ 4.83 16 85.6% Hungarian + 14.4% Balkar @ 4.84 17 86% Hungarian + 14% Adygei @ 4.91 18 88.3% Hungarian + 11.7% Kalash @ 4.92 19 79.8% East_German + 20.2% Azeri @ 4.93 20 88% Hungarian + 12% Georgian @ 4.95
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Originally Posted by Aspirin
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It's good to know the location, because I-CTS5966 aka CTS10228 is upstream from my PH908. He probably falls under Y3120 too, which is the clearest marker of Slavic migrations/expansions out of all haplos and clades.
There aren't many of us surprisingly, out of the limited data that I have from 23andme, about 15 samples. The plurality of the guys are E-V13 and I think there are even more J2b than I-L621.
However, I remember that study from Carahasani I think and Sofia, where there were like 30% I-L621, so perhaps my 23andme guys are unrepresentative of the average.
Cernisenco, full Moldovan Ukrainian
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 42.33 2 North_Atlantic 23.24 3 West_Med 14.39 4 West_Asian 7.53 5 East_Med 6.33 6 Siberian 2.7 7 South_Asian 1.22 8 Northeast_African 1.1 9 Amerindian 0.62 10 Sub-Saharan 0.47 11 Oceanian 0.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.08 2 Ukrainian 5.19 3 South_Polish 7.5 4 Southwest_Russian 7.57 5 Croatian 7.64 6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 8.1 7 Polish 8.71 8 Moldavian 9.17 9 Russian_Smolensk 9.41 10 Estonian_Polish 9.7 11 Kargopol_Russian 10.45 12 Belorussian 11.04 13 Erzya 11.89 14 Hungarian 13.06 15 Lithuanian 14.26 16 Estonian 14.77 17 East_German 15.5 18 East_Finnish 15.98 19 Finnish 16 20 Serbian 16.35
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 88.4% Southwest_Russian + 11.6% Sardinian @ 3.35 2 87.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 12.5% Sardinian @ 3.35 3 62.5% Croatian + 37.5% Erzya @ 3.47 4 53.9% Moldavian + 46.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.88 5 57.5% Moldavian + 42.5% Erzya @ 3.92 6 59.8% Croatian + 40.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.05 7 82.2% Erzya + 17.8% Sardinian @ 4.09 8 62.6% Moldavian + 37.4% Lithuanian @ 4.21 9 94.7% Ukrainian + 5.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.22 10 94.8% Ukrainian + 5.2% Armenian @ 4.23 11 94.4% Ukrainian + 5.6% Cyprian @ 4.24 12 93.9% Ukrainian + 6.1% Balkar @ 4.24 13 93.9% Ukrainian + 6.1% Turkish @ 4.25 14 95.1% Ukrainian + 4.9% Abhkasian @ 4.25 15 93.7% Ukrainian + 6.3% Kabardin @ 4.25 16 94.8% Ukrainian + 5.2% Assyrian @ 4.26 17 73.3% Ukrainian + 26.7% Moldavian @ 4.27 18 56.5% Southwest_Russian + 43.5% Moldavian @ 4.28 19 94.9% Ukrainian + 5.1% Georgian @ 4.29 20 94.7% Ukrainian + 5.3% Syrian @ 4.3
Again, the Dod components would be appreciated.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Gedrosia 4.83 Pct Siberian 2.04 Pct Northwest_African - Southeast_Asian - Atlantic_Med 23.50 Pct North_European 52.16 Pct South_Asian 0.81 Pct East_African 0.36 Pct Southwest_Asian 0.81 Pct East_Asian - Caucasus 14.77 Pct Sub_Saharan 0.73 Pct
That Moldovan Ukrainian would probably be typical of Chernovtsy oblast.
Yes, his profile is West Ukrainian-like. Even in Eurogenes he pulls closest to Lviv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Slanina, 1/2 Straseni, 1/2 Ungheni (1/8 Ukrainian, so basically unmixed since it's so distant)
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 30.44 2 North_Atlantic 25.67 3 West_Med 14.31 4 East_Med 13.2 5 West_Asian 11.1 6 Red_Sea 1.84 7 East_Asian 1.54 8 Siberian 1.4 9 Oceanian 0.46 10 Northeast_African 0.05
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Serbian 4.41 2 Moldavian 4.43 3 Croatian 7.02 4 Romanian 7.44 5 Hungarian 7.62 6 Bulgarian 9.59 7 Austrian 11.58 8 East_German 12.77 9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.03 10 South_Polish 13.7 11 Ukrainian 14.39 12 Polish 17.37 13 Southwest_Russian 17.46 14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.53 15 West_German 17.73 16 Greek_Thessaly 18.42 17 South_Dutch 19.26 18 Russian_Smolensk 19.33 19 Tatar 19.92 20 Estonian_Polish 20
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 62.8% Ukrainian + 37.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.18 2 50.1% Serbian + 49.9% Moldavian @ 2.18 3 71% Romanian + 29% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.22 4 85.6% Serbian + 14.4% Erzya @ 2.24 5 64.4% Romanian + 35.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.24 6 65.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 34.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.27 7 64.9% South_Polish + 35.1% Central_Greek @ 2.29 8 73.1% Romanian + 26.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.36 9 65.7% Romanian + 34.3% South_Polish @ 2.37 10 82.4% Serbian + 17.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.38 11 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Ukrainian @ 2.41 12 71.1% Romanian + 28.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.48 13 65.7% Moldavian + 34.3% Romanian @ 2.5 14 71.1% Romanian + 28.9% Polish @ 2.5 15 59.3% Bulgarian + 40.7% South_Polish @ 2.51 16 78% Romanian + 22% Lithuanian @ 2.52 17 77.5% Romanian + 22.5% Estonian @ 2.55 18 84.6% Croatian + 15.4% Turkish @ 2.55 19 72% Bulgarian + 28% Finnish @ 2.58 20 85.6% Serbian + 14.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.59
Hard to belive, they need to be visible southern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
He is already quite Southern to me. 14% West Med.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Kit number please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
You already posted results of one Ukrainian from that region, and he was very southern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Ionashku, Cernauti/Chernivtsi Ukraine
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 29.9 2 North_Atlantic 27.94 3 West_Med 13.97 4 East_Med 10.84 5 West_Asian 8.17 6 Red_Sea 4.59 7 East_Asian 1.34 8 South_Asian 1.3 9 Siberian 0.76 10 Oceanian 0.75 11 Amerindian 0.27 12 Northeast_African 0.15
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Serbian 5.65 2 Moldavian 5.7 3 Hungarian 5.78 4 Croatian 6.56 5 Austrian 9.04 6 Romanian 9.64 7 East_German 10.14 8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.15 9 Bulgarian 12.23 10 South_Polish 12.75 11 Ukrainian 13.81 12 West_German 15.41 13 Polish 16.15 14 South_Dutch 16.75 15 Southwest_Russian 17.32 16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.53 17 French 17.89 18 North_German 18.47 19 Russian_Smolensk 18.49 20 Estonian_Polish 19.14
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 66.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.9% Tuscan @ 3.23 2 72.1% Serbian + 27.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.39 3 61.6% Polish + 38.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.39 4 79.5% Moldavian + 20.5% French @ 3.44 5 85.1% Serbian + 14.9% La_Brana-1 @ 3.46 6 83.3% Serbian + 16.7% Finnish @ 3.47 7 78% Serbian + 22% Polish @ 3.48 8 55.6% Russian_Smolensk + 44.4% Tuscan @ 3.53 9 81.7% Serbian + 18.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.53 10 83.7% Serbian + 16.3% Estonian @ 3.54 11 92.1% Hungarian + 7.9% Saudi @ 3.54 12 84.4% Serbian + 15.6% East_Finnish @ 3.55 13 90.9% Hungarian + 9.1% Bedouin @ 3.59 14 80.7% Serbian + 19.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.61 15 62.9% Polish + 37.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.61 16 68.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 31.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.62 17 74% Serbian + 26% South_Polish @ 3.67 18 69.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.7 19 52.7% Estonian + 47.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.71 20 56% Serbian + 44% Croatian @ 3.71
Wish there was a better algorithm to split North Atlantic and Baltic more clearly, almost every program struggles with it. But nice work.
Interesting a lot of those values for Moldovans are similar to Croatians, who live very far away.
Andronic, Straseni
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 29.74 2 North_Atlantic 25.38 3 West_Med 19.64 4 West_Asian 9.19 5 East_Med 8.9 6 Red_Sea 3.29 7 Siberian 2.48 8 South_Asian 0.87 9 Amerindian 0.5
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Moldavian 6.15 2 Serbian 7.52 3 Croatian 8.08 4 Hungarian 9.47 5 Romanian 9.81 6 Austrian 11.74 7 Bulgarian 11.92 8 East_German 12.45 9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.54 10 South_Polish 14.84 11 Ukrainian 15.06 12 West_German 17.7 13 Polish 17.95 14 South_Dutch 18.69 15 French 18.99 16 Southwest_Russian 19.03 17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.31 18 Greek_Thessaly 19.53 19 North_Italian 20.07 20 Russian_Smolensk 20.26
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% Sardinian @ 3.59 2 82.9% Moldavian + 17.1% Southwest_French @ 3.75 3 83.4% Moldavian + 16.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.86 4 81.7% Moldavian + 18.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.91 5 83.9% Moldavian + 16.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.92 6 83.9% Moldavian + 16.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.92 7 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% French_Basque @ 3.92 8 82.9% Moldavian + 17.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.97 9 85.4% Moldavian + 14.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.98 10 83.6% Moldavian + 16.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.16 11 82.7% Moldavian + 17.3% Portuguese @ 4.18 12 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.22 13 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.24 14 83.7% Moldavian + 16.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.33 15 85.6% Croatian + 14.4% Sardinian @ 4.34 16 81.9% Moldavian + 18.1% North_Italian @ 4.35 17 54.3% North_Italian + 45.7% Erzya @ 4.5 18 76.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.8% Sardinian @ 4.86 19 83.1% Moldavian + 16.9% French @ 4.88 20 85.6% Moldavian + 14.4% Tuscan @ 4.91
That's a huge Red Sea percentage. Usually 4+% cannot be found outside of Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal. I mean Europe of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Now that you mention it, I checked and all of the 4%+ samples are from R. Moldova and none are from Romanian Moldavia, which is genetically more Southern on average. Weird, perhaps it's just another limitation of K13.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
What is your explanation of this? Other components like West Med, East Med and West Asian from other side are very low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Give me kit numbers of Ionascu and Andronic. Do you know more information about them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
I think either a calculator "glitch" (some people simply get weird results for whatever reason) or some of their East Med got sucked into the Red Sea (two relatively similar "Middle Eastern" components).Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
By the way, this score looks a bit high-ish to me as well:
3 West_Med 19.64
Almost 20% WM in Moldova is not exactly usual, is it? :icon_ask:
Explanation is very simple. Calculator is kind of trash and it has trouble splitting West, East Med, West Asian and Red Sea components in people who are not a full mix of one component. I also think that West Med and North Atlantic flow into each other occasionally, as do traces of Baltic and Siberian. And Oceanian is obviously a disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
You should look at it together with East Med, West Asian and Red Sea. The sum of them is lower than in Zmey Gorynych.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
But the record for just West Med is 21.69% in the academic sample from Stefan Voda, MOL-065.
Baltic has nothing to do with Siberian. Here you can see the Fst divergencies between the componentsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=1
Baltic - Siberian - 113
For comparison:
East_Asian - Siberian - 56
Red_Sea - East_Med - 39
doubleQuote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Not much really, as they didn't have a family tree to check their full mix, but I traced them via email.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Ionashku was from the States, but was born in Cernauti; DNA relative of Slanina.
Andronic is from Straseni, but lives in Chisinau; DNA relative of Nanu and Tsurkan Lazareva.
I can understand that, but it's also hard to believe their authenticity with such examples:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
https://i.imgur.com/pzDWlIK.png
The best example is in West_Greenlander because it lacks other West Eurasian components.
It also looks like someone messed up those Fst values, because their range is supposed to be from 0 to 1. If you look at two very distinct components like East and West Asian, who have a Fixation index of only 0.11, it becomes obvious that something is wrong with them. If East and West Asian divergence is 0.11, then East Asian and Siberian for example should be at most 0.011.
I still believe the Baltic is zero Mongoloid. Most likely the Greenlanders aren't just full Mongs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
I use Dodecad more often than K13 anyway. K13 gave me and my mother 2+ fucking Red_Sea and Amerindian and we both have none of that kind of ancestry.
And whom are they mixed with then, Russian Canadians? If it were Danes or other Scandinavians, then they would have had more North Atlantic than Baltic, but the difference between the two is 6x.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
The Fst values are an obvious forgery for every value that's greater than 1 and results such as these are not believable.
I don't know. Don't really care about that reference. They aren't even Siberians. Khakas and Shors have Caucasoid/Indo-Euro ancestry (they're very high in R1a too).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Dodecad is even more simplistic. From GEDmatch, only K36 is objective IMO, but the best for now is Global 25 obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto