Actual Importance of Haplogroups

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Originally Posted by Damião de Góis

But there's a good chance you will guess where this person is from just by looking at the person's haplogroups.

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Guess where I am from? R-Z16539

You all seem to know a lot about this, whereas I'm not so well versed in genetics. I'm curious if all races have about the same amount of variation in haplogroups or if there are any that have more variation than others? Thank you

Haplogroup deniers :picard1:

Tracing your paternal and maternal lineage and nothing else besides.

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Originally Posted by Touijer

Haplogroup deniers :picard1:

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As an R person. What do you think R men should look like?

I need Katarzyna to participe in this thread and share her opinion about the importance of haplogroups!

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Originally Posted by Abti

As an R person. What do you think R men should look like?

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It affects looks but around 20% so no distinctive look but to explain my point, it is not accurate to say that there is a distinctive R appearance, but the facts speak for themselves. The Y chromosome constitutes 2% of the entire genome, which implies that you share about 1.9% to 2% of your DNA with members of the same haplogroup, making you almost second cousins. You have thousands of mutations in common with people from your haplogroup, and blue eyes only require 2 mutations .

The Y chromosome has 58 million base pairs that contain no junk DNA. The SRY gene that determines male characteristics and activates testes has only 1000 base pairs, representing 0.01% of the Y chromosome itself. It is a very small gene, and some people assume that the rest is irrelevant. You share a common ancestor with others who belong to your haplogroup.

Ethnic nationalism is a fallacy, and it entails rejecting haplogroup. In the past, there were tribes and R1b was one of them. They originated from Central Asia and migrated to Western Europe. If they were not patriarchal and tribal, you would find many R1b’s in Slavic countries, which is not the case. They moved as a collective. Yamnayas, Bell Beakers were all patriarchal, so R1b reflects that. They intermarried with local women and had offspring, etc. So we can say that R1b is like a sort of “family” .

Those who claim that haplogroup is irrelevant are wrong. You can only make such a claim if you ignore the genetic similarities that you share with other members of your haplogroup, as the Original poster did, who is Jewish and only considers matrilineal descent. However, this does not hold for some haplogroups that were patriarchal. If you are a J1, you have a second cousin level of DNA with most J1’s.

An African American R1b is closer to a French R1b than a Swedish I1. Again they share the same grandfather, they have 2% in common making them close to second cousins and have multiple mutations in common. There’s no denying this. How much could the French share with the Swede? 0.01%? What’s the point of pca charts? People will claim well he’s R1b that doesn’t make him European or white, but of course it doesn’t. Because European and White mean nothing genetically and holds no weight. The African or Mexican R1b is closer to other R1b’s genetically like a type of family. Remove ethnic nationalism from the equation because it’s useless.

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Originally Posted by Touijer

It affects looks but around 20% so no distinctive look but to explain my point, it is not accurate to say that there is a distinctive R appearance, but the facts speak for themselves. The Y chromosome constitutes 2% of the entire genome, which implies that you share about 1.9% to 2% of your DNA with members of the same haplogroup, making you almost second cousins. You have thousands of mutations in common with people from your haplogroup, and blue eyes only require 2 mutations .

The Y chromosome has 58 million base pairs that contain no junk DNA. The SRY gene that determines male characteristics and activates testes has only 1000 base pairs, representing 0.01% of the Y chromosome itself. It is a very small gene, and some people assume that the rest is irrelevant. You share a common ancestor with others who belong to your haplogroup.

Ethnic nationalism is a fallacy, and it entails rejecting haplogroup. In the past, there were tribes and R1b was one of them. They originated from Central Asia and migrated to Western Europe. If they were not patriarchal and tribal, you would find many R1b’s in Slavic countries, which is not the case. They moved as a collective. Yamnayas, Bell Beakers were all patriarchal, so R1b reflects that. They intermarried with local women and had offspring, etc. So we can say that R1b is like a sort of “family” .

Those who claim that haplogroup is irrelevant are wrong. You can only make such a claim if you ignore the genetic similarities that you share with other members of your haplogroup, as the Original poster did, who is Jewish and only considers matrilineal descent. However, this does not hold for some haplogroups that were patriarchal. If you are a J1, you have a second cousin level of DNA with most J1’s.

An African American R1b is closer to a French R1b than a Swedish I1. Again they share the same grandfather, they have 2% in common making them close to second cousins and have multiple mutations in common. There’s no denying this. How much could the French share with the Swede? 0.01%? What’s the point of pca charts? People will claim well he’s R1b that doesn’t make him European or white, but of course it doesn’t. Because European and White mean nothing genetically and holds no weight. The African or Mexican R1b is closer to other R1b’s genetically like a type of family. Remove ethnic nationalism from the equation because it’s useless.

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Nice.

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

I need Katarzyna to participe in this thread and share her opinion about the importance of haplogroups!

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She will just say that G is the best.

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Originally Posted by kessaras

She will just say that G is the best.

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G knows how to hit her G spot