Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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03-03-2017, 01:56 PM
Era

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

Go under "Family and Friends", "DNA Relatives" and under the search box on top there enter just "I2" - you should have plenty like all of us.

This is what I have:

Spoiler!

I-L126
I-L126
I-L161.1
I-L161.1
I-L22
I-L22
I-L22
I-L22
I-L38
I-L38
I-L38
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M227
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
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I-M253
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I-M253
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I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M26
I-M26
I-M423
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I-M423
I-M423
I-M423
I-M438
I-M438
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
03-03-2017, 02:00 PM
Wrong

I'm getting approximately 35-40 I2 y-dna samples out of 714 relatives, a few of these could be the northwestern clade and many the non-"Din" clade.
03-03-2017, 02:00 PM
Era

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trojet

23andMe is using old nomenclatures and doesn't test for seep subclades.
However, Go to your 23andMe and look how many relatives you have with Y-DNA I2a2 (international version and uses old nomenclature) or I-M423 (US version).

Just one Albo, all greeks and slavs :)
Lilaj

Dionis

Bajevic
B

Demir
TALIC
Kiryazov

Graur
Metzak

Melissinas
KALTSAS
Fetzek
Sofios
Gimon
Petrov
Petrov

Hagias

Maniatty

Theodoropoulos

georgaklis
Maniatty

Alexopoulos
Boudouris
Antal

Chrysostomou
Bozovic
Lalioff
Milanovic

Mayor
Mayor

Dzehverovic
Novakovic

Arapakis

Freese
Mayor

Manolov
Stratos

Bimpasis

Hallert
Mitsianis

Ragea

Bookvich

petousis
Greco

Stevanovic
daniel

constantinescu
Tsirkas
Gercek

Triantaris
Kochuk
03-03-2017, 02:03 PM
Wrong

I'm sure most of those relatives have been influenced by J2b2/EV13/R1b sperm.
03-03-2017, 02:08 PM
Dema

Quote:

Originally Posted by Era

This is what I have:

Spoiler!

I-L126
I-L126
I-L161.1
I-L161.1
I-L22
I-L22
I-L22
I-L22
I-L38
I-L38
I-L38
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
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I-M227
I-M253
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I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M26
I-M26
I-M423
I-M423
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I-M423
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I-M438
I-M438
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78

I-M423 is Dinaric
03-03-2017, 02:22 PM
Hamlet

I2a1 isn't Slavic, Southern Slavs just contain a lot of I2a1. Slavic tribal identity formed in a region with pretty much only R1a (unlike Germanic identity, which formed with the hybridisation of I1 and R1b-U106 (primarily at least, so in that respect I1 is Germanic, while I2 is not Slavic)). Anyway, I'm just being picky.
03-03-2017, 02:24 PM
Dema

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drawing-slim

I have 1400 relatives on 23andme. I cant comprehend the amount of vanity and insecurity you guys must have to actually claim that you have looked at all of them and not a singlle 12a1 on your lists.
I am I2a and i have majority of albos catholics and muslims from montengero also many of them. All relatives of mine according to my list. But i only looked about 10 or 15 of them though
Considering half or more dont have names nor results for you to see?!

No one is projecting insecurity, when i actually first time checked most of my closest relatives i was looking for j2b1 and that was the only purpose, no need to say that i found none :D
Now that Era mentioned i checked again, but i rememer as getting really small amount of I2a1b relatives.

Not a big deal tho : D just playing little with statistics, i would love if you were one of my relatives since i already have 3 Albos from TA.
03-03-2017, 02:24 PM
Skerdilaid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Era

This is what I have:

Spoiler!

I-L126
I-L126
I-L161.1
I-L161.1
I-L22
I-L22
I-L22
I-L22
I-L38
I-L38
I-L38
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M227
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
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I-M253
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I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M26
I-M26
I-M423
I-M423
I-M423
I-M423
I-M423
I-M423
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I-M423
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I-M423
I-M423
I-M423
I-M423
I-M423
I-M438
I-M438
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78

Yes, basically. I get Kurt and two other Albanians, the rest are all South Slavs and Greeks.
03-03-2017, 02:24 PM
Wrong

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe

I2a1 isn't Slavic, Southern Slavs just contain a lot of I2a1.

It was brought to the Balkans by Slavic-speakers 1400 years ago, no "I2a1b-Din" diversity in the Balkans whatsoever.
03-03-2017, 02:25 PM
Drawing-slim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Era

This is what I have:

Spoiler!

I-L126
I-L126
I-L161.1
I-L161.1
I-L22
I-L22
I-L22
I-L22
I-L38
I-L38
I-L38
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M223
I-M227
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
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I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M253
I-M26
I-M26
I-M423
I-M423
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I-M438
I-M438
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78
I-P78

I knew it,lol theres just no way you didnt have a single I2a out of 1300 relatives being from the balkans.

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