Don't be stupid, she's been using vlach as an insult way before I registered, its actually a common slur croats use for serbsQuote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
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Don't be stupid, she's been using vlach as an insult way before I registered, its actually a common slur croats use for serbsQuote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Sure. Here are closest populations for Romanian regional averages, it might interest you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Distance to: Romanian_Transylvania
2.17136337 Montenegrin
2.80173161 Romanian_Oltenia
3.35058204 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
3.46857194 Macedonian
5.19625827 Romanian_Muntenia
5.28474219 Bulgarian
5.43379241 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
5.51707466 Serbian_new
6.32068677 North_Macedonian
7.43969085 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
Distance to: Romanian_Muntenia
3.93836513 Macedonian
4.32289255 Bulgarian
4.63153120 North_Macedonian
4.94441099 Romanian_Oltenia
5.19625827 Romanian_Transylvania
5.57535178 Montenegrin
6.34022870 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
8.47329327 Kosovo_Albanian
8.65974999 Serbian_new
8.82911094 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
Distance to: Romanian_Oltenia
2.09419740 Macedonian
2.16630799 Montenegrin
2.80173161 Romanian_Transylvania
3.60019444 Bulgarian
3.84404735 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
4.61174926 North_Macedonian
4.94441099 Romanian_Muntenia
6.75425792 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
6.83800712 Serbian_new
8.81076614 Szekely
Distance to: Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
1.74364637 Bosnian
2.97378336 Serbian_Bosnia
3.13517145 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
3.24833804 Croat_Split
3.33758016 Serbian_new
3.34270848 Szekely
3.52211584 Romanian_Botosani
3.70179686 Moldavian
5.06684320 Csango_Gymes
5.46221567 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
Distance to: Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
3.14367692 Montenegrin
3.35058204 Romanian_Transylvania
3.84404735 Romanian_Oltenia
3.94958206 Serbian_new
3.99778689 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
4.28039783 Macedonian
5.63089691 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
5.92460710 Bosnian
5.99145224 Bulgarian
6.29803938 Szekely
Distance to: Romanian_Botosani
3.37293977 Bosnian
3.52211584 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.77128625 Moldavian
4.76462354 Serbian_Bosnia
5.14660082 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
5.17180114 Serbian_new
5.22348543 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
5.36042909 Croat_Split
6.61431780 Szekely
7.15705945 Croatian
R-YP4278, I-Z16983, I-A5913 connect Serbs with Eastern Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Check my Croatian 23andme thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Z16983 is most likely Polabian Slavic, because Sorbs don't have it. It's one of few PH908 subclades with ''western'' origin.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
This blog is great:
https://southslavsdna.blogspot.com/2...migration.html
Among Serbs type of R1a M458 Sorbs have should be White Serb marker.
Quote:
When all the maps are merged it indicates that there's a higher variance of I-PH908 subclades in Eastern Europe than in Central Europe and that from Eastern Europe migrated in the direction of West and South. The most if not all subclades arrived in Southeastern Europe from Eastern Europe, roughly along the area of Eastern Carpathian Mountains and through Carpathian Basin, most probably during the period of Pannonian Avars and revolts against them by Slavs and Bulgars by the mid-7th century. It is not excluded a possibility of a very limited Polabian Slavic contribution (only for subclades Z16983 and FT16449). The samples belonging to currently unknown subclades are also largely from the countries in Eastern Europe, while in Southeastern Europe particularly Bulgaria, which also indicates the movement's direction. The result supports the conclusions from the previous post.
"Polabian Slavs" is sometimes used for all Slavic tribes in modern day Germany, he obviuosly meant that, not the ones north of BerlinQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Thanks. They're interesting, in the sense that South Slavic populations get in-between Romanian regions - though I wouldn't put much trust in this sorting order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
We're a long way from a proper picture of these populations - we need far more samples.
I see. In any way, whatever Slavic subclades Sorbs, western Czechs and Germans of Slavic ancestry in East Germany share with Serbs, those are potentially White Serbian ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
These: Z16983, FT16449 among DinS and some Din N and R1a ones.
Your Serbian ancestors were R1a>R-A11460 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A11460/Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Cool. Which type of Din N are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Target: Feiichy
Distance: 2.5769% / 2.57688495 | ADC: 0.25x
79.4 Slovenian
8.8 East_German
6.8 North_Ossetian
5.0 Austrian
Target: Feiichy
Distance: 3.1997% / 3.19967863 | ADC: 0.5x
94.2 Slovenian
4.2 Ossetian
1.6 Austrian
Distance to: Feiichy
4.75140119 Slovenian
5.82050685 Hungarian
6.06550905 Croatian
6.24804770 Moldavian
6.26390453 Croat_Split
6.38313403 Kaykavian_Croatian
6.68282407 Serbian_Bosnia
6.74792561 Szekely
6.82038122 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
7.43609440 Csango_Gymes
7.48899192 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
7.53112094 Bosnian
7.80865276 Slovak
8.27110029 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
8.46575614 Serbian_new
8.87282931 Romanian_Botosani
9.12703128 Austrian
9.16560418 Czech
9.81777979 East_German
10.84686130 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
11.21071809 Romanian_Transylvania
11.52710552 Montenegrin
11.55682482 German_east
12.21472881 South_Polish
12.25403199 Ukrainian_Lviv
Very Slovenian, I guess. :)
Updated K13
Distance to: oszkar
4.60931665 Austrian
4.96057456 East_German
7.39142747 Hungarian
7.63717880 German_east
8.51472254 Kaykavian_Croatian
8.75839026 Czech
9.85700259 German_West
10.41804204 West_German
10.45112771 Slovenian
10.58319151 Slovak
10.82237959 Swiss_German
11.03969202 North_German
11.23206570 Danish
11.36546963 South_Dutch
12.15008642 Swedish
12.60767227 Csango_Gymes
13.29339310 North-Swedish
13.40982476 Szekely
13.45157983 Swiss_French
13.55087820 Croatian
14.16701098 Croat_Split
14.36563608 South_Polish
14.40840163 Serbian_Bosnia
14.61055098 English
14.81032410 North-Dutch
Can you edit the spreadsheet for these so they look neater?
Bosnian,24.84,31.83,15.18,8.94,14.03,1.64,1.59,0.5 7,0.58,0.38,0.35,0.01,0.08
Latvian,26.74,58.36,6.41,2.73,0.78,1.10,0.77,0.09, 1.43,0.73,0.32,0.33,0.22
Montenegrin,25.28,25.56,17.57,10.28,16.93,2.42,0.1 9,0.26,0.70,0.45,0.30,0.03,0.06
Slovak,30.84,37.18,12.99,6.30,8.00,1.09,1.03,0.39, 0.58,0.73,0.53,0.15,0.21
Slovenian,29.88,33.85,15.34,7.03,9.99,1.36,0.78,0. 27,0.45,0.53,0.29,0.14,0.12
Albanian_Kosovo,22.44,17.98,20.78,12.76,22.02,2.45 ,0.39,0.37,0.18,0.25,0.34,0.02,0.02
I rounded them all to the hundredths decimal. Currently, their coordinates look very sloppy like 24.8393333333,31.8286666667, etc.
Also, there are two samples for some groups such as North Macedonians ("North_Macedonian" and "Macedonian"), Greek Macedonians, and Greek Peloponnesians. Can you get rid of one of those?
Eurogenes K13 updated spreadsheet
Target: Pedro
Distance: 0.5049% / 0.50493261
25.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
14.8 Southwest_French
12.6 Swiss_Italian
12.2 Algerian
10.4 Norwegian
6.8 Spanish_Aragon
6.0 French_Basque
4.2 Mozabite_Berber
3.6 Southwest_Finnish
2.0 Yemenite_Jewish
1.0 Yoruban
0.8 Karitiana
0.2 Ethiopian_Amhara
Eurogenes K13 original spredsheet
Target: Pedro
Distance: 0.5333% / 0.53330539
37.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
20.2 Southwest_French
9.8 Spanish_Aragon
8.8 Tunisian
5.2 Norwegian
4.8 Southwest_Finnish
4.4 Algerian
3.6 Southeast_English
3.0 Yemenite_Jewish
1.0 Yoruban
0.6 French_Basque
0.4 Karitiana
0.4 Mayan
0.2 Bantu_S.W.
Bosniak_Sandzak,24.31,25.40,19.12,9.89,16.79,2.86, 0.35,0.25,0.20,0.51,0.13,0.00,0.19
Average is based off of 4 Bosniak samples, 2 from SW Serbia and 2 from Montenegro. There wasn't a difference based off being from Serbia or Montenegro so I just combined them.
Bosniak_Tuzla,27.03,35.88,13.58,7.51,12.14,0.81,0. 39,0.38,0.78,0.57,0.51,0.20,0.27
This average contains only two samples. I found a third sample that scored similar to them (but with lower NA), but didn't include them as they were partially from Bosnian Krajina. Including them wouldn't have really changed the average much, but I'm just bringing them up to show that the average will probably be representative.
With a third sample included: Bosniak_Tuzla_2,25.53,36.20,13.38,8.28,11.81,1.74, 0.55,0.27,0.81,0.38,0.71,0.13,0.2
Bosniaks from here score a bit differently to other Bosniaks so that's why I made this average. Otherwise it doesn't make much sense making an average for every other city.
Edit: They're all for K13.
Croat_Bosnia added to K13 and K15Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Here is a K13 average for Serbs from Croatia. It contains 6 samples, thanks to Dušan for providing them.
Serb_Croatia,24.61,30.10,17.60,8.67,14.73,1.85,0.5 0,0.16,1.05,0.23,0.36,0.01,0.05
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These are results of Decius, Aye father, me, one other Lika Serb, and two other Dalmatian Serbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
I gave result of HungryLion to Mingle, as well. I think he should be added, as well.
https://i.imgur.com/PjXOut5.jpg
addedQuote:
Originally Posted by harutsafaryan07
I was collecting ancient samples for Eurogenes K15 almost a year ago. I guess I had app. 200 samples. I can share them if you guys are interested.
Yes please. But I will make K15 Ancient using them. Only with ancient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thracian
addedQuote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AF3...ew?usp=sharingQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
If you need more information about them I can also provide them (including some Gedmatch Kit numbers).
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Could you please add this K13 Romanian average Mingle posted too?
Romanian_Botosani,22.52,33.55,15.3,9.67,13.39,2.08 ,1.2,0.4,1.78,0,0 ,0,0
Added. There are 403 actually:) If someone has K15 for other ancients please share.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thracian
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15ancient-vahaduo.htm
This I believe is an individual sample. It was posted earlier by Nurzat. Its already included in the Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina average if I'm not mistaken, so that's why I didn't ask for it to be added. I don't really agree with how the Romanian averages were made as each of the North Romanian counties differ from each other in results so I just kept the averages for separate counties for myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Anyways, I'm not asking for these to be added, but here are some other Romanian counties' averages in case you're interested:
Romanian_Neamt,21.38,27.17,14.71,13.65,16.38,2.64, 0.06,1.68,1.96 ,0,0.39,0,0 (1 sample)
Romanian_Suceava,25.99,30.04,15.04,9.54,13.01,1.18 ,1.63,0.51,1.73,0.81,0.37,0,0.18 (2 samples)
Romanian_Vaslui,25.01,27.87,16.23,9.04,15.56,2.67, 0.37,0.09,2.61,0.29,0.28,0,0 (2 samples)
Nurzat provided the results for all of the above except for one Suceava sample that I provided.
By the way, do you mind answering this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...91#post6406691
Ah, thanks for clarifying. 1 sample is def. too little. It can be random. l'll run my dad with them just for curiosity and to see how close to Bosnian-Croats is he.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
My dad is closest to Bosnian Croats now, followed by Dalmatian Croats! :)
https://i.imgur.com/bdokoK5.png
I'm not sure if it is too fragmented for Romania.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Romanian from Suceava (Moldova) are on 5th place, quite close.
Target: Feiichy_Father
Distance: 1.7427% / 1.74272214 | ADC: 0.25x
28.2 Croat_Split
23.8 Slovenian
21.8 Hungarian
13.6 Bosniak_Tuzla
10.4 Romanian_Transylvania
1.6 Romanian_Muntenia
0.6 Dai
is it just Bosnians without Herzegovinians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
could you add this
Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
What data I should use for Stears? I know his Ancestrydata contains much more snps, but results he gets with 23andme data are very different and make him more of average Hungarian.
Combine them into a superkit. It'll have more SNPs than either of them. You can do that with either buying GEDmatch tier 1 or on DNA Kit Studio (free).Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
But if you aren't doing that, I'd suggest AncestryDNA. He's 1/2 Szekely so him not getting Hungarian at a close distance is reasonable.