Ahora, mi pregunta es: De quienes se tomaran datos y se haran estadisticas? Aparte de los españoles caballos pura sangre, claro esta.
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No ocupa mucho y es gratuito, es bastante básico pero cumple su función. hay muchas extensiones y cosillas que le puedes ir añadiendo, pero las hace gente particular, algunas son un poco pochas.
Igual te viene bien tenerlo, incluso muchos centros educativos permiten o directamente lo usan ellos en los deberes que mandan a los críos por internet.
Por si quieres descargarlo: https://www.openoffice.org/es/
A ver si lo descargo y comienzo a meter los resultados de cada uno de nosotros en las distintas calculadoras, ya sea componentes antiguos o modernos.
Y a ver si mis compañeos hispanoamericanos se anotan con el G25: alnortedelsur, errokarri y samario. Faltaria la fresa en el pastel que seria HelloGuys pero tiene que hacerse la prueba.
Pues que algún experto proponga una lista de datos.
Yo propongo que nos modelemos con los componentes antiguos y hagamos un grafico con eso, seria extremadamente interesante que mas latinos se sumaran a esto pero hasta que no se saquen el G25, estamos jodidos. Por ahora, basta con estos componentes:
Code:Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
ITA_Villabruna,0.121791,0.114755,0.18592,0.184111,0.156337,0.060798,0.020211,0.035998,0.092445,0.018041,-0.016239,-0.016186,0.016947,-0.010046,0.054017,0.067356,0.000782,0.005448,-0.008422,0.053526,0.100073,0.010758,-0.048313,-0.163517,0.01928
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan,-0.287024,0.0907208,-0.0276555,-0.0726212,0.0024618,-0.038301,-0.0101445,-0.0047307,0.1227825,-0.0826743,-0.0060355,-0.0064442,-0.0024528,0.0003442,0.021783,-0.019093,0.01695,0.0029983,0.0102862,-0.0021678,0.0041177,0.0024938,-0.0084632,-0.0035748,0.0022753
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
Se varios resultados de unos cuantos miembros ya que tengo sus coordenadas, pero estaría bien que publicaseis tu y 2.0.
Estoy haciendo una hoja con estos componentes, es mi antiguo preferido:
Code:Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028,0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0.0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1259169,0.0887318,0.0428032,0.1164425,-0.028236,0.045529,0.0036719,-0.002279,-0.0558095,-0.0715732,0.0009742,-0.0003934,-0.0019885,-0.025529,0.0362032,0.0160764,-0.0005869,-0.0012038,-0.0038966,0.0149446,-0.0022928,6.19e-05,0.0112925,0.0189332,-0.0039516
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Tengo 11 personas, en que formato lo exporto?
Son españoles y portugueses de este y otro foro.
Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 1.6432% / 0.01643167
43.6 IBERIA
21.4 RUSSIAN-STEPPE
13.4 GREECE-MYCENAEAN
9.4 GREECE-MINOAN
8.8 STEPPE-RICH-NORTH-EUROPE
2.0 CHINA-STEPPE
1.4 KENYA
Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 1.9576% / 0.01957596 | ADC: 0.25x
33.2 IBERIA
30.0 STEPPE-RICH-NORTH-EUROPE
18.0 GREECE-MYCENAEAN
15.8 ILLYRIC
2.4 RUSSIAN-STEPPE
0.6 CHINA-STEPPE
y mis coordenadas por si te interesan
Xabier_scaled,0.114961,0.138112,0.042992,0.003876, 0.038469,-0.00251,0.001175,0.006231,0.015953,0.027153,-0.008607,0.006444,-0.01888,-0.015827,0.012893,0,0.007171,-0.012922,-0.001006,0.004377,-0.001996,-0.000124,0.003944,0.006145,0.006227
Xabier,0.0101,0.0136,0.0114,0.0012,0.0125,-0.0009,0.0005,0.0027,0.0078,0.0149,-0.0053,0.0043,-0.0127,-0.0115,0.0095,0,0.0055,-0.0102,-0.0008,0.0035,-0.0016,-0.0001,0.0032,0.0051,0.0052
Resultado muy cercano, buena calculadoras felichitates
Ahí va mi carga
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.5723% / 0.03572269
52.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.6 WHG
4.8 MAR_Taforalt
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.7201% / 0.03720116 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.6 WHG
8.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
Me he repetío
Me dan unas distancias un poco raras en algunos resultados, es scaled, no?
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7521% / 0.03752133
54.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.0 WHG
2.2 MAR_Taforalt
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 8.2039% / 0.08203870 | ADC: 1x
55.8 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
28.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.4336% / 0.04433551 | ADC: 0.5x
51.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
30.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
9.4 WHG
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.8689% / 0.03868946 | ADC: 0.25x
57.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.8 WHG
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
Por eso le dije a Defcon una vez que esa calculadora podria estar sujeta a modificaciones, por ejemplo el WHG de donde lo saca y ese tepecik que no es mas que otra muestra extraida de Anatolia pero la mejor de usar es la de Barcin, porque para detectar el ME/NA antiguo lo mejor es el Taforalt y el Natufian.
Usa esta:
Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
ITA_Villabruna,0.121791,0.114755,0.18592,0.184111, 0.156337,0.060798,0.020211,0.035998,0.092445,0.018 041,-0.016239,-0.016186,0.016947,-0.010046,0.054017,0.067356,0.000782,0.005448,-0.008422,0.053526,0.100073,0.010758,-0.048313,-0.163517,0.01928
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan,-0.287024,0.0907208,-0.0276555,-0.0726212,0.0024618,-0.038301,-0.0101445,-0.0047307,0.1227825,-0.0826743,-0.0060355,-0.0064442,-0.0024528,0.0003442,0.021783,-0.019093,0.01695,0.0029983,0.0102862,-0.0021678,0.0041177,0.0024938,-0.0084632,-0.0035748,0.0022753
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858, 0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7450% / 0.03745034
55.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.0 ITA_Villabruna
2.0 MAR_Taforalt
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 7.1643% / 0.07164327 | ADC: 1x
67.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
32.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.3709% / 0.04370882 | ADC: 0.5x
59.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.0 ITA_Villabruna
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.8585% / 0.03858486 | ADC: 0.25x
57.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
30.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.6 ITA_Villabruna
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
Bueno...
el ITA_Villabruna representa aquí el WHG supongo, no?
En el correo interno se pueden hacer tablas, igual también compartir unas hechas? o copiar y pegar ahí los datos de las tuyas para compartirlas.
Lo podéis ver?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
Los cuadrados rojos son la cifra "récord" en cada componente hasta ahora.
¿Cómo lo has compartido?
Puedo hacer tablas genéricas para calcular promedios para las coordenadas de gedmatch y te las paso si me lo dices.Con Apache Open Office, eso sí...
Que tontería, puedo hacerlo en el mismo sitio que tú por lo que veo.:picard1:
Bueno trabajo Juantxo!
Si tienes tiempo podrias hacer una con estas?
Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
ITA_Villabruna,0.121791,0.114755,0.18592,0.184111, 0.156337,0.060798,0.020211,0.035998,0.092445,0.018 041,-0.016239,-0.016186,0.016947,-0.010046,0.054017,0.067356,0.000782,0.005448,-0.008422,0.053526,0.100073,0.010758,-0.048313,-0.163517,0.01928
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan,-0.287024,0.0907208,-0.0276555,-0.0726212,0.0024618,-0.038301,-0.0101445,-0.0047307,0.1227825,-0.0826743,-0.0060355,-0.0064442,-0.0024528,0.0003442,0.021783,-0.019093,0.01695,0.0029983,0.0102862,-0.0021678,0.0041177,0.0024938,-0.0084632,-0.0035748,0.0022753
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858, 0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
USA_Ancient_Beringian,0.0432525,-0.3051665,0.0873035,0.081073,-0.0887855,-0.020777,-0.1215005,-0.150686,-0.020657,-0.0218685,0.008038,-0.009816,0.0097375,-0.0141065,-0.009093,0.004508,0.002021,0.0119085,0.003017,0.01 39445,-0.005927,0.0059355,0.00721,0.0040965,-0.0006585
Sabes de que parte de portugal es¿
Sí, ya lo ví, estaba haciendo pruebas, a ver que tal.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
Esa tabla puede servir de base cambiando cuatro cosillas a todas las tablas de coordenadas, esa misma ya está preparada para ser usada.
Es bastante básica pero calcula los promedios de todas las coordenadas, solo hay que poner en la casilla azul el número de individuos o muestras que hay(ahora solo la mía), y meter nombre y coordenadas con decimales separados por comas, no por puntos.