Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

It was brought to the Balkans by Slavic-speakers according to renowned sources, no "I2a1b-Din" diversity in the Balkans whatsoever.

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These renowned sources are wrong, see the extra info I added to my comment.

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

the rest are all South Slavs and Greeks.

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Same here.

I am related to only one Albanian(a Kosovar) out of all these people on there.


But I still can't quite figure out how to search for those I2 on DNA tools. Can see them on Gedmatch, and they are all only Anglos etc...

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

I'm getting approximately 35-40 I2 y-dna samples out of 714 relatives, a few of these could be the northwestern clade and many the non-"Din" clade.

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yeah weird mine too. of the ones i found manually at least.

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Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe

These renowned sources are wrong, see the extra info I added to my comment.

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Enough proof it didn't exist in the Balkans prior to the Slavic migrations.

Everything else is just bluepill mental masturbation by haplotards.

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

Enough proof it didn't exist in the Balkans prior to the Slavic migrations.

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Really, what did then - you do realise haplogroup I is pretty much the only indigenous European haplogroup right?

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Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe

Really, what did then - you do realise haplogroup I is pretty much the only indigenous European haplogroup right?

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You are new to DNA-testing it seems.

Check the deep clades, tmrca, read the thread or stfu, I2a1b-Din formed outside the Balkans and has the highest variety across the Vistula(between Poland, Belarus, Ukraine).

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

But I still can't quite figure out how to search for those I2 on DNA tools.

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When you go to DNA relatives, there's a feature in the end, Download aggregated data. Click on that and you'll have an excel file. Then you can sort by ydna.

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

You are new to DNA-testing it seems.

Check the deep clades, read the thread or stfu, I2a1b-Din formed outside the Balkans.

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I never said it formed in the Balkans, I just said it was indigenous European - my guess would be I2a1 was driven to the Balkans by Indo-European invasions until they hit the Adriatic Sea, at which point they mixed with the mostly R1a invaders. Show me evidence proto-Slavs contained a non-insignificant amount of Y DNA I2a1 - then I'll stfu.

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Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe

Really, what did then - you do realise haplogroup I is pretty much the only indigenous European haplogroup right?

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Even the haplotard site Eupedia says the same about I2a1b-Din:

of I2a-L621, while southern Slavs have between 20% (Bulgaria) and 50% (Bosnia). The higher percentage of I2a-Din in the south is probably just due to another founder effect due to the fact that the South Slavs originated in western Ukraine, where the ratio of I2a to R1a was higher. Virtually all Dinaric I2a falls under the CTS10228 (aka CTS5966 or L147.2) subclade, and the majority to the S17250 ramification, who descend from a common patrilinear ancestor who lived only 1,800 years ago.



http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml

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Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe

I never said it formed in the Balkans, I just said it was indigenous European - my guess would be I2a1 was driven to the Balkans by Indo-European invasions until they hit the Adriatic Sea, at which point they mixed with the mostly R1a invaders. Show me evidence proto-Slavs contained a non-insignificant amount of Y DNA I2a1 - then I'll stfu.

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It's not that simple. Check my previous post.

Indo-Europeans integrated other haplogroups in them in Europe. The I2a1b-Din is new in the Balkans, no older sample found.