Arpad dynasty DNA (kings of Hungary & Croatia)

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Originally Posted by Turul Karom

See the links posted in the thread I linked to and I will also post more sources for you later. I am not saying they are not Magyars; they are and they are proud. They have mixed with us through the ages as well, so we are truly one. The debate is how separate they were in fact during the land taking and how they have gotten their unique origins as Magyars.

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What is their unique origin?

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Originally Posted by ButlerKing

Because they came from Central Asia not from Europe, North Africa, Middle east BUT CENTRAL ASIANS. If it's from Central Asia that means there's always a huge risk of any Central origin haplogroup being heavily hybrisized with Mongoloid. I find it stupid when people get excited of the fact he is R1a or R1b, if he was from England with no central Asian connection than no one should give a crap but since Hungarians claim close relations with central asians, it's a totally different story.


Cambodians also have western eurasian haplogroups such mtDNA U, H and Y-DNA R1a but all of these are absolutely related with South Asian or Indian population. There were not European or middle eastern looking people that spread these to Cambodia.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ze9Lg_t4lb...7043356490.jpg

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Then I have no idea the point you are trying to make and you need to clarify. This idea of "Asian" meaning 100% East Asian is poisoning your brain like most in the Anglosphere when the term is far larger and contains dozens and dozens of phenotypes. This "Mongoloid fear" is rediculous.

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Originally Posted by ButlerKing

2.5% West Eurasian haplogroup

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Mt?

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R1a is 7.5%

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Quite much. And how much R1b and R2?

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Originally Posted by blogen

What is their unique origin?

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That is the debate. Just like the Kabars joined us and of course are now Magyars, the question is if the Székely people were a fellow Turkic tribe as well or (and this seems more legend) if they were the settled Huns who joined us during the conquest. I have heard some theories about them being Avar remnants or Avar mixed as well. As I've said my friend, I will gain more links for you that are not only wikipedia parroting garbage, haha.

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Originally Posted by Turul Karom

Then I have no idea the point you are trying to make and you need to clarify. This idea of "Asian" meaning 100% East Asian is poisoning your brain like most in the Anglosphere when the term is far larger and contains dozens and dozens of phenotypes. This "Mongoloid fear" is rediculous.

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It means that the Hungarian male Arpad founder with R1a could also just be Mongoloid, doesn't matter how east Asian he is genetically.

African Americans are not 100% negroid either, and they many western eurasian haplogroups and they speak indo-european language but it doesn't mean the same crap as the caucasoids from europe, middle east, south asia.

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Originally Posted by ButlerKing

It means that the Hungarian male Arpad founder with R1a could also just be Mongoloid, doesn't matter how east Asian he is genetically.

African Americans are not 100% negroid either, and they many western eurasian haplogroups and they speak indo-european language but it doesn't mean the same crap as the caucasoids from europe, middle east, south asia.

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Have you ever read the anthropology results from the conquering Magyar graves? The shift is "Europoid" with occasional "Mongoloid influence" which can be interpreted in different ways. Even the mtDNA of the Cumans was predominantly West Eurasian. I feel like it is very safe to say that the Árpád line has the West Turanid/Alföld look.

Again though I don't care about these African examples. The African Americans don't even look very African; I see Nigerian tourists in Budapest and they are much darker. The African Americans in general seem to have lighter skin, some far lighter, and can have wavy hair and more rarely, colorful eyes that are not dark brown. Most of them seem to have a West African face and head shape though.

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Originally Posted by Turul Karom

Have you ever read the anthropology results from the conquering Magyar graves? The shift is "Europoid" with occasional "Mongoloid influence" which can be interpreted in different ways. Even the mtDNA of the Cumans was predominantly West Eurasian. I feel like it is very safe to say that the Árpád line has the West Turanid/Alföld look.

Again though I don't care about these African examples. The African Americans don't even look very African; I see Nigerian tourists in Budapest and they are much darker. The African Americans in general seem to have lighter skin, some far lighter, and can have wavy hair and more rarely, colorful eyes that are not dark brown. Most of them seem to have a West African face and head shape though.

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Using your own Hungarian data.

Google translation Hungarian to English

Magyar történelem anekdötákban
Dante Könyvkiadó, 1943 - Hungary - 351 pages
https://books.google.co.uk/books/con...6WqRMmtQid1VI8

Ez volt utolsó kalandozó hadjáratuk. Az anekdota kétségtelenül a zömöktermetű magyart, vagyis a magyar mongoloid kiskőzéptermetűségét kívánja glo- tifikálni íigy, mint ezt a Szent István Királyúr kistermelüségé- ről szóló anekdotákban látjuk. A kistermetű magyarról és a nagytermetű idegenről szóló, számos korai magyar középkori adoma kétségtelenül annak az emléke, hogy a 13 — 14. században még igen feltűnd lehetett a mongoloid kistermetűség és az északi szláv és germán

" This was their last adventurous campaign. The anecdote undoubtedly wants to gloat the small-scale Hungarian, that is, the Hungarian mongoloid's small-scale commodity, as we see in the anecdotes about the smallness of St. Stephen's Little Ones. The many Hungarian medieval adventures of the small Hungarian and the great alien are undoubtedly the remembrance of the fact that in the 13th and 14th centuries the Mongolian minorities and Northern Slavic and Germanic "



http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/hungarians.html

" B. Csányi, E. Bogácsi-Szabó, Gy. Tömöry, Á. Czibula, K. Priskin, A. Csősz, B. Mende, P. Langó, K. Csete, A. Zsolnai, E. K. Conant, C. S. Downes, and I. Raskó. "Y-Chromosome Analysis of Ancient Hungarian and Two Modern Hungarian-Speaking Populations from the Carpathian Basin." Annals of Human Genetics 72:4 (July 2008): pages 519-534. 100 Hungarian people from Hungary and 97 Hungarian-speaking Szekler people from Transylvania in present-day Romania were genetically tested. DNA was also successfully sampled from the skeletons of 4 Hungarians who lived in the 10th century. Two of the skeletons that were anthropologically Caucasoid-Mongoloid hybrids carried the Y-DNA haplogroup N3 (later ramed N1c) while one of them carried the Caucasoid mtDNA haplogroup H. This, along with the evidence from modern-day Hungarians, shows that the Magyar invaders had intermarried with local European tribes, greatly watering down Mongoloid genetic and physical traits among those who continued to speak the Hungarian language. "

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Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky

Mt?

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Yes mtDNA U

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Quite much. And how much R1b and R2?

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R2 sometimes appears 0% sometimes 2%. No Cambodians have R1b.

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Originally Posted by ButlerKing

R2 sometimes appears 0% sometimes 2%. No Cambodians have R1b.

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So up to 10%.

Idk where did you get this, but if it would be
true, such information would be easly to find,
crying from the google to be find. It doesn't.

Years ago, I found information,
that all R is 5% at best in Cambodia.

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Originally Posted by ButlerKing

Using your own Hungarian data.

Google translation Hungarian to English

Magyar történelem anekdötákban
Dante Könyvkiadó, 1943 - Hungary - 351 pages
https://books.google.co.uk/books/con...6WqRMmtQid1VI8

Ez volt utolsó kalandozó hadjáratuk. Az anekdota kétségtelenül a zömöktermetű magyart, vagyis a magyar mongoloid kiskőzéptermetűségét kívánja glo- tifikálni íigy, mint ezt a Szent István Királyúr kistermelüségé- ről szóló anekdotákban látjuk. A kistermetű magyarról és a nagytermetű idegenről szóló, számos korai magyar középkori adoma kétségtelenül annak az emléke, hogy a 13 — 14. században még igen feltűnd lehetett a mongoloid kistermetűség és az északi szláv és germán

" This was their last adventurous campaign. The anecdote undoubtedly wants to gloat the small-scale Hungarian, that is, the Hungarian mongoloid's small-scale commodity, as we see in the anecdotes about the smallness of St. Stephen's Little Ones. The many Hungarian medieval adventures of the small Hungarian and the great alien are undoubtedly the remembrance of the fact that in the 13th and 14th centuries the Mongolian minorities and Northern Slavic and Germanic "



http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/hungarians.html

" B. Csányi, E. Bogácsi-Szabó, Gy. Tömöry, Á. Czibula, K. Priskin, A. Csősz, B. Mende, P. Langó, K. Csete, A. Zsolnai, E. K. Conant, C. S. Downes, and I. Raskó. "Y-Chromosome Analysis of Ancient Hungarian and Two Modern Hungarian-Speaking Populations from the Carpathian Basin." Annals of Human Genetics 72:4 (July 2008): pages 519-534. 100 Hungarian people from Hungary and 97 Hungarian-speaking Szekler people from Transylvania in present-day Romania were genetically tested. DNA was also successfully sampled from the skeletons of 4 Hungarians who lived in the 10th century. Two of the skeletons that were anthropologically Caucasoid-Mongoloid hybrids carried the Y-DNA haplogroup N3 (later ramed N1c) while one of them carried the Caucasoid mtDNA haplogroup H. This, along with the evidence from modern-day Hungarians, shows that the Magyar invaders had intermarried with local European tribes, greatly watering down Mongoloid genetic and physical traits among those who continued to speak the Hungarian language. "

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You are taking things far out of context. The adventures of the early Magyars are surrounded with both fact and legend. You are also quoting out of data sources that are no longer the standard for judging Hungarian composition. It would be OK if you quoted old data that was still supported by more modern science, but did you read the links I have posted far earlier in the thread? Firstly, the small Magyars were not all small but symbolic, and the most accurate way I can explain the actual "small" Magyars is to compare it with the sort of "David and Goliath" or "underdog" lore the West is so fond of... see here and watch closely...

https://youtu.be/1evLPnc8oC0

Second, read the various earlier links where far more samples than four were taken and how they define their terms far better than just "Mongoloid". Each year more and more Magyar conquest era graves are studied and we learn more about our Turkic past.