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You were not right judging by the surnames.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Voinov is a surname shared in Moldova, Russia and Ukraine.
Alexandrov/Alexandrova is a surname that is 7 times more popular in Moldova than in Romania and 14 times nore popular in Moldova than in Bulgaria.
The only reason I disclosed them was just to prove your ignorance.
What about their Dodecad? You can always add it to your posts, at least when someone is part Russian/Ukrainian because I do follow this thread with interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Voinov and Aleksandrov are super Russian surnames.
Both surnames exist in Bulgaria, so you didn't prove anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Thicker than a brick wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
DefinitelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://forebears.io/surnames/aleksandrova
Definitely, because it's not Aleksandrova, but Alexandrova since they are not transliterated from Cyrillic. I'm sure the actual bearers of this surname wrote it correctly on GEDmatch. You are being pedantic, just for the sake of it, while at the same time not contributing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
https://forebears.io/surnames/alexandrov
https://forebears.io/surnames/alexandrova
There is no strict transliteration rules in Russian-speaking countries, some may prefer Aleksandr and others would use the Western cognate Alexander if their name is Александр.
Is a simple moldovenisation/romanisation of these surnames.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Same as this one: https://forebears.io/surnames/voynov
Сheckmate.
Huimate, I'm doing a rokirovka, so there isn't any mate, let alone checkmate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
I can understand that those also exist in Bulgaria.
But I still insist on two things:
1) If the person themself claims that all 4gp are Moldovan/Romanian, then they know better.
2) If they spelt them a Alexandrova and Voinov, which are both more popular in Moldova and Romania than Bulgaria, then they also know better.
But at the end of the day, this argument that you've started is useless when trying to prove that their East Med is caused by Bulgarians, because autosomally Bessarabian Bulgarians fit within the South Moldovan continuum.
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Leto donat Bessarabian Bulgarian 22.13 22.19 17.51 12.44 19.22 4.36 0.31 0 1.73 0 0.13 0 0
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TameDismal...restricted.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
+-5 from the average is within the normal range for an ethnic group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
This is what I want to say, in Cyrilic these surnames will be the same both in Russian and Bulgarian, the difeerence will be in the Latin transliteration, Voynov/Voinov or Alexandrova/Aleksandrova. This guy just have very laughable arguments trying to prove what this individual have no Bulgarian origin, when half of his ancestry is from heavy Bulgarian populated region, which is seen in his surnames from this side. Plus his results are specific for a mixed person, I already posted here an individual with similar results and background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Well, full Bulgarians are ca. 20 percent East Med on average.
By the way, how much EM does the person get on K15?
Tell that to them and not to me. They are the ones who claim that their gp identify as Moldovans/Romanians. If they chose the Romance version when transliterating then to me personally it is quite believable that they were indeed Romance speakers, which most Bulgarians/Gagauz aren't natively. The fact that they also settled and died in Romania only adds credence to that, because a random Bulgarian from Izmail won't speak a shroud of Romanian in the early 20th century. But you choose to believe in your own version, because you can't accept being wrong. I don't need to convince you, as if that changes anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
18%Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 20.01 2 North_Sea 17.89 3 East_Med 17.6 4 Eastern_Euro 12.78 5 West_Med 12.04 6 Atlantic 8.18 7 West_Asian 6.85 8 South_Asian 2.05 9 Red_Sea 1.85 10 Amerindian 0.73 11 Southeast_Asian 0.03
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Romanian 9.55 2 Moldavian 10.19 3 Bulgarian 10.27 4 Serbian 10.28 5 Croatian 13.03 6 Hungarian 13.24 7 Greek_Thessaly 13.44 8 Greek 15.86 9 Austrian 16.1 10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.11 11 Ukrainian 16.96 12 South_Polish 17.63 13 East_German 18.84 14 Ashkenazi 18.96 15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.72 16 Tuscan 19.99 17 Southwest_Russian 20.19 18 Central_Greek 20.19 19 Polish 20.25 20 Russian_Smolensk 20.44
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 70% Ukrainian + 30% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.05 2 69.3% Ukrainian + 30.7% Samaritan @ 5.05 3 66.2% Ukrainian + 33.8% Cyprian @ 5.2 4 70% Ukrainian + 30% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.25 5 64.8% Ukrainian + 35.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.37 6 71.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.54 7 70.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.3% Samaritan @ 5.55 8 67.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 32.4% Cyprian @ 5.57 9 71.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.6 10 66.2% Greek_Thessaly + 33.8% Lithuanian @ 5.63 11 66.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.67 12 65.1% Greek_Thessaly + 34.9% Erzya @ 5.77 13 56.8% Greek_Thessaly + 43.2% Ukrainian @ 5.87 14 61.5% Greek_Thessaly + 38.5% Southwest_Russian @ 5.94 15 65.7% Greek_Thessaly + 34.3% Estonian @ 5.96 16 82% Moldavian + 18% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.97 17 55.4% Greek_Thessaly + 44.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.07 18 61% Greek_Thessaly + 39% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.13 19 53.2% Ukrainian + 46.8% Ashkenazi @ 6.17 20 81.8% Moldavian + 18.2% Samaritan @ 6.2
Did I say something about his ethnic identity? I don't have any problem if he identified himself as Moldavian or Romanian, he can be even Greek genetically. But don't try to fool me with such pathetic arguments, when he have such a screaming background. Most of my arguments allways make sence, because of my deep knowledge of local history. Similar discussion was regarding Daos results when you desperately trying do prove how southern his moldavian side was, when his father bassically have same results like him, with minor differences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Anyone who's pathetically trying to convince anyone here is you, mate, for refusing to believe what people tell you about themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
I didn't try desperately, I made simple claims, which turned out to be true. Daos' dad, despite being half North Moldovan from Drochia and half Polish, scores like some of my full unadmixed North Moldovans (sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic). His Moldovan side must be Central or even South Moldovan-like.
Don't pretend to me that you understand what you are talking about.
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Daos_dad, 1/2 Drochia, 1/2 Polish 22.11 39.39 12.60 7.73 8.94 2.67 3.34 0.58 0.76 1.18 0.69 0 0
Target: Daos_Dad_50Polish_50Drochia
Distance: 4.6729% / 4.67291671 | ADC: 0.25x57.2 Polish 34.2 Moldova_Centre 5.4 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova 3.2 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 0.0 Crimean_Tatar 0.0 Moldova_North 0.0 Moldova_average 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_average 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_North 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_South 0.0 Romania_Muntenia 0.0 Romanian_Oltenia 0.0 Romania_Transylvania 0.0 Romanian_Wallachia 0.0 Romania_Dobruja 0.0 Romania_Maramures 0.0 Romania_Crisana 0.0 Romania_Banat 0.0 South_Polish
My Moldovan side is pure Vlacho-Illyrian. That’s why I’m E-V13 haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Are you going to create a plot for all these Moldovan samples? It would be interesting to see.
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Your Moldovan side is beautiful. I don't see anything wrong about it being slightly Southern for Drochia and surrounds, compared to Aspirin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
It's Southern at the moment compared to the limited amount of samples that I have. But I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be typical.
Yes, eventually I will. I'm even thinking of starting a project like the Turkish members from Anthrogenica have, which should accelerate the gathering of regional samples. Not anytime soon though. Got to finish some personal work firstly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
Central Moldovan; Half Ialoveni, half Chisinau
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 32.32 2 North_Atlantic 20.89 3 East_Med 15.52 4 West_Med 13.89 5 West_Asian 10.56 6 Red_Sea 3.55 7 East_Asian 1.31 8 Siberian 1.19 9 Oceanian 0.49 10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Moldavian 6.1 2 Serbian 7.4 3 Romanian 8.63 4 Croatian 9 5 Bulgarian 9.38 6 Hungarian 11.71 7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.02 8 Ukrainian 15.33 9 South_Polish 15.42 10 Austrian 16.1 11 East_German 17.01 12 Southwest_Russian 17.42 13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.55 14 Greek_Thessaly 17.81 15 Polish 18.54 16 Russian_Smolensk 19.71 17 Tatar 19.96 18 Estonian_Polish 20.23 19 Belorussian 20.87 20 Kargopol_Russian 21.5
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 71.5% Ukrainian + 28.5% Cyprian @ 1.83 2 74.5% Ukrainian + 25.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.87 3 73.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.7% Cyprian @ 1.94 4 76.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.05 5 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Samaritan @ 2.06 6 59.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 40.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.11 7 58.5% Southwest_Russian + 41.5% Central_Greek @ 2.17 8 58.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.7% Central_Greek @ 2.21 9 72.2% Ukrainian + 27.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.28 10 59.6% Southwest_Russian + 40.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.32 11 66% Russian_Smolensk + 34% Cyprian @ 2.36 12 75.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.2% Samaritan @ 2.37 13 65.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.38 14 67.4% Polish + 32.6% Cyprian @ 2.45 15 62.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.6% South_Italian @ 2.46 16 50.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.61 17 50.8% Central_Greek + 49.2% Lithuanian @ 2.61 18 62.6% Southwest_Russian + 37.4% South_Italian @ 2.62 19 66% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.69 20 72.4% Ukrainian + 27.6% Syrian @ 2.69
Target: L
Distance: 3.1361% / 3.13609981 | ADC: 0.25x89.2 Moldova_Centre 7.8 Russian_Smolensk 1.6 RU_Pinega 1.4 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 0.0 Crimean_Tatar 0.0 Ukrainian 0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv 0.0 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova 0.0 Moldova_North 0.0 Moldova_average 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_average 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_North 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_South 0.0 Romania_Muntenia 0.0 Romanian_Oltenia 0.0 Romania_Transylvania 0.0 Romanian_Wallachia 0.0 Romania_Dobruja 0.0 Romania_Maramures 0.0 Romania_Crisana 0.0 Romania_Banat
Rare find from Ukrainian Bukovina
They are Romanians, but also have Ukrainian surnames in the family tree (Dimiancuk, Moscaliuc, Moskaluk, Moskal, Krokosh).
5/8 Romanian and 3/8 Ukrainian according to the surnames
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 39.44 2 North_Atlantic 22.57 3 East_Med 14.99 4 West_Med 13.22 5 West_Asian 4.79 6 Red_Sea 1.85 7 Siberian 1.79 8 South_Asian 1.09 9 East_Asian 0.26
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Croatian 7.73 2 Moldavian 8.23 3 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.88 4 Ukrainian 10.17 5 South_Polish 10.93 6 Southwest_Russian 11.72 7 Hungarian 11.97 8 Serbian 12.41 9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.63 10 Polish 13.35 11 Estonian_Polish 13.92 12 Russian_Smolensk 14.04 13 Belorussian 14.59 14 Romanian 15.15 15 Kargopol_Russian 16.13 16 Bulgarian 16.25 17 East_German 16.29 18 Austrian 16.58 19 Erzya 17 20 Lithuanian 18.99
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 70.5% Estonian_Polish + 29.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.35 2 63.4% Lithuanian + 36.6% Ashkenazi @ 3.47 3 74.6% Estonian_Polish + 25.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.51 4 68% Lithuanian + 32% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.62 5 74.8% Estonian_Polish + 25.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.74 6 77% Estonian_Polish + 23% Cyprian @ 3.89 7 68.2% Lithuanian + 31.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.9 8 73.8% Belorussian + 26.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.92 9 69.7% Belorussian + 30.3% Ashkenazi @ 3.95 10 78.2% Southwest_Russian + 21.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.97 11 74.5% Southwest_Russian + 25.5% Ashkenazi @ 4.03 12 76.3% Estonian_Polish + 23.7% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.13 13 78.4% Southwest_Russian + 21.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.17 14 78.9% Estonian_Polish + 21.1% Samaritan @ 4.25 15 75.2% Estonian_Polish + 24.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.27 16 76.2% Belorussian + 23.8% Cyprian @ 4.28 17 64.5% Estonian_Polish + 35.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.29 18 70.7% Russian_Smolensk + 29.3% Ashkenazi @ 4.3 19 76.5% Estonian_Polish + 23.5% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.3 20 79.3% Estonian_Polish + 20.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.31
Target: Cernauti
Distance: 455.7863% / 4.55786269 | ADC: 0.25x84.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk 8.4 Ashkenazi 7.6 RU_Pinega 0.0 Crimean_Tatar 0.0 Gagauz 0.0 Moldova_Centre 0.0 Moldova_North 0.0 Moldova_South 0.0 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova 0.0 Romania_Banat 0.0 Romania_Crisana 0.0 Romania_Dobruja 0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 0.0 Romania_Maramures 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_average 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_North 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_South 0.0 Romania_Muntenia 0.0 Romania_Transylvania 0.0 Romanian_Oltenia 0.0 Romanian_Wallachia 0.0 Russian_Smolensk 0.0 Ukrainian 0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
Target: Cernauti
Distance: 674.4464% / 6.74446352 | ADC: 0.25x50.6 Ukrainian 49.4 Moldova_Centre 0.0 Crimean_Tatar 0.0 Gagauz 0.0 Moldova_North 0.0 Moldova_South 0.0 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova 0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_average 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_North 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_South 0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
From Straseni
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 29.71 2 North_Atlantic 23.18 3 East_Med 18.19 4 West_Med 14.61 5 West_Asian 10.27 6 Siberian 1.18 7 Red_Sea 1.01 8 Amerindian 0.69 9 South_Asian 0.63 10 Oceanian 0.52
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Serbian 5.08 2 Romanian 5.45 3 Bulgarian 6.49 4 Moldavian 7.61 5 Croatian 10.26 6 Hungarian 11.05 7 Austrian 15.14 8 Greek_Thessaly 15.19 9 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.25 10 East_German 16.47 11 South_Polish 16.95 12 Ukrainian 17.33 13 Southwest_Russian 19.82 14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.1 15 North_Italian 20.45 16 West_German 20.46 17 Polish 20.49 18 Tuscan 20.68 19 Italian_Abruzzo 21.67 20 Tatar 21.92
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 76% Bulgarian + 24% Southwest_Russian @ 1.82 2 78.7% Bulgarian + 21.3% Belorussian @ 1.92 3 57.2% Southwest_Russian + 42.8% South_Italian @ 2.06 4 78.5% Bulgarian + 21.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.07 5 76.5% Bulgarian + 23.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.1 6 81.8% Bulgarian + 18.2% Lithuanian @ 2.11 7 56.7% Greek_Thessaly + 43.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.13 8 81.6% Bulgarian + 18.4% Estonian @ 2.19 9 78.3% Bulgarian + 21.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.23 10 82.1% Bulgarian + 17.9% East_Finnish @ 2.25 11 57.1% Greek_Thessaly + 42.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.33 12 52.7% Southwest_Russian + 47.3% Central_Greek @ 2.34 13 79.7% Bulgarian + 20.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.35 14 68.4% South_Polish + 31.6% Cyprian @ 2.36 15 81.7% Bulgarian + 18.3% Finnish @ 2.36 16 51.1% Central_Greek + 48.9% Belorussian @ 2.42 17 80.5% Bulgarian + 19.5% Erzya @ 2.47 18 74.1% Bulgarian + 25.9% Ukrainian @ 2.51 19 80.7% Croatian + 19.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.53 20 51.1% South_Italian + 48.9% Lithuanian @ 2.54
Target: Straseni
Distance: 292.9517% / 2.92951713 | ADC: 0.25x93.0 Moldova_Centre 4.0 Ashkenazi 2.8 Russian_Smolensk 0.2 Moldova_North 0.0 Crimean_Tatar 0.0 Gagauz 0.0 Moldova_South 0.0 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova 0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 0.0 RU_Pinega 0.0 Ukrainian 0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
Distance to: Straseni 3.12565193 Moldova_Centre 7.28162757 Moldova_South 8.30576908 Moldova_North 9.45310531 Gagauz 18.69369947 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.88320145 Ukrainian 25.26777790 Russian_Smolensk 26.68197332 Crimean_Tatar 27.48605647 Ashkenazi 28.63126787 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 32.25621616 RU_Pinega 35.58248305 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
From Ocnita
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 29.2 2 North_Atlantic 25.95 3 West_Med 17.32 4 East_Med 11.62 5 West_Asian 9.88 6 Red_Sea 2.8 7 East_Asian 1.67 8 Oceanian 0.73 9 Amerindian 0.53 10 Siberian 0.24 11 Sub-Saharan 0.06
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Serbian 4.44 2 Moldavian 5.26 3 Romanian 7.37 4 Croatian 7.47 5 Hungarian 8.15 6 Bulgarian 9.6 7 Austrian 10.99 8 East_German 12.21 9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.8 10 South_Polish 14.69 11 Ukrainian 15.26 12 West_German 16.85 13 Greek_Thessaly 17.9 14 Polish 18.11 15 South_Dutch 18.21 16 French 18.51 17 Southwest_Russian 19 18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.1 19 North_Italian 19.29 20 Russian_Smolensk 20.42
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 80.1% Moldavian + 19.9% North_Italian @ 2.22 2 83.3% Moldavian + 16.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.54 3 84.4% Moldavian + 15.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.58 4 82.2% Moldavian + 17.8% Tuscan @ 2.59 5 84.1% Moldavian + 15.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.68 6 82.6% Moldavian + 17.4% Portuguese @ 2.7 7 84.7% Moldavian + 15.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.73 8 83.8% Moldavian + 16.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.79 9 82.8% Moldavian + 17.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.79 10 77.2% Croatian + 22.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.81 11 84.3% Moldavian + 15.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.82 12 86.2% Moldavian + 13.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.89 13 83.5% Moldavian + 16.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.9 14 78.4% Croatian + 21.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.94 15 56.7% Serbian + 43.3% Moldavian @ 2.94 16 75.5% Croatian + 24.5% Tuscan @ 2.97 17 85% Moldavian + 15% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3 18 61% Ukrainian_Lviv + 39% Tuscan @ 3.06 19 80.9% Croatian + 19.1% South_Italian @ 3.1 20 78.3% Croatian + 21.7% Central_Greek @ 3.14
Target: Ocnita
Distance: 345.6652% / 3.45665246 | ADC: 0.25x64.2 Moldova_North 35.8 Romanian_Oltenia 0.0 Ashkenazi 0.0 Crimean_Tatar 0.0 Gagauz 0.0 Moldova_Centre 0.0 Moldova_South 0.0 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova 0.0 Romania_Banat 0.0 Romania_Crisana 0.0 Romania_Dobruja 0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_average 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_North 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_South 0.0 Romania_Muntenia 0.0 Romania_Transylvania 0.0 Romanian_Wallachia 0.0 RU_Pinega 0.0 Russian_Smolensk 0.0 Ukrainian 0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
Target: Ocnita
Distance: 365.5218% / 3.65521807 | ADC: 0.25x71.4 Moldova_North 28.6 Moldova_South 0.0 Ashkenazi 0.0 Crimean_Tatar 0.0 Gagauz 0.0 Moldova_Centre 0.0 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova 0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 0.0 RU_Pinega 0.0 Russian_Smolensk 0.0 Ukrainian 0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
Distance to: Ocnita 5.37236447 Moldova_North 6.43111188 Moldova_Centre 9.98462819 Moldova_South 13.70108390 Gagauz 15.61895323 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.24484851 Ukrainian 23.08459010 Russian_Smolensk 27.18540417 Crimean_Tatar 28.55230288 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 30.84898266 RU_Pinega 31.93269484 Ashkenazi 37.64369270 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
Distance to: Ocnita 5.37236447 Moldova_North 5.82825017 Romania_Crisana 6.06113851 Romania_Moldavia_North 6.14087942 Romania_Moldavia_average 6.43111188 Moldova_Centre 6.59431573 Romania_Moldavia_South 7.11619983 Romania_Transylvania 7.90888741 Romanian_Oltenia 8.97362803 Romania_Banat 8.97532729 Romanian_Wallachia 9.95034673 Romania_Dobruja 9.98462819 Moldova_South 10.22351212 Romania_Muntenia 13.70108390 Gagauz 15.61895323 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.24484851 Ukrainian 23.08459010 Russian_Smolensk 27.18540417 Crimean_Tatar 28.55230288 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 30.84898266 RU_Pinega 31.93269484 Ashkenazi 37.64369270 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
1/2 Suceava, 1/2 Neamt
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 30.39 2 North_Atlantic 23.25 3 East_Med 15.45 4 West_Med 14.82 5 West_Asian 11.44 6 Siberian 2.95 7 Northeast_African 1.16 8 East_Asian 0.28 9 South_Asian 0.23 10 Oceanian 0.03
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Serbian 5.89 2 Moldavian 6.19 3 Romanian 6.93 4 Bulgarian 8.32 5 Croatian 9.18 6 Hungarian 10.33 7 Austrian 14.49 8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.86 9 East_German 15.6 10 South_Polish 15.64 11 Ukrainian 15.93 12 Greek_Thessaly 17.08 13 Southwest_Russian 18.53 14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.76 15 Polish 19.25 16 Tatar 19.5 17 West_German 20.17 18 Russian_Smolensk 20.89 19 Estonian_Polish 21.38 20 North_Italian 21.51
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 73.5% Bulgarian + 26.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.59 2 78.2% Romanian + 21.8% Erzya @ 2.63 3 74.5% Bulgarian + 25.5% Erzya @ 2.78 4 77.1% Bulgarian + 22.9% East_Finnish @ 2.88 5 77.9% Romanian + 22.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.09 6 70.3% Bulgarian + 29.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.13 7 76.7% Bulgarian + 23.3% Finnish @ 3.17 8 70.7% Bulgarian + 29.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.24 9 75% Romanian + 25% Southwest_Russian @ 3.34 10 77.1% Bulgarian + 22.9% Estonian @ 3.35 11 75.3% Romanian + 24.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.4 12 67.3% Bulgarian + 32.7% Ukrainian @ 3.43 13 73.3% Bulgarian + 26.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.56 14 77.7% Bulgarian + 22.3% Lithuanian @ 3.56 15 73.7% Bulgarian + 26.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.56 16 67% Bulgarian + 33% South_Polish @ 3.58 17 59.8% Moldavian + 40.2% Bulgarian @ 3.59 18 74.3% Bulgarian + 25.7% Belorussian @ 3.6 19 65.8% Bulgarian + 34.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.6 20 55.8% Southwest_Russian + 44.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.61
Distance to: 50Suceava_50Neamt 3.51139573 Romania_Moldavia_North 3.85959842 Moldova_Centre 4.64655787 Romania_Moldavia_average 5.93043843 Romania_Moldavia_South 6.47079593 Romania_Transylvania 6.63220928 Romania_Crisana 6.66813317 Moldova_North 7.01755655 Romania_Banat 7.43063927 Romanian_Oltenia 7.59624907 Romanian_Wallachia 8.08949319 Romania_Muntenia 8.14365397 Romania_Dobruja 8.78007403 Moldova_South 11.43859257 Gagauz 16.96068984 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.19062671 Ukrainian 23.76362346 Russian_Smolensk 24.98601409 Crimean_Tatar 26.53810656 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 29.91342675 Ashkenazi 30.31954949 RU_Pinega 36.32821080 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
Distance to: 50Suceava_50Neamt 3.51139573 Romania_Moldavia_North 4.64655787 Romania_Moldavia_average 5.93043843 Romania_Moldavia_South 6.47079593 Romania_Transylvania 6.63220928 Romania_Crisana 7.01755655 Romania_Banat 7.43063927 Romanian_Oltenia 7.59624907 Romanian_Wallachia 8.08949319 Romania_Muntenia 8.14365397 Romania_Dobruja
Target: 50Suceava_50Neamt
Distance: 255.9031% / 2.55903142 | ADC: 0.25x92.0 Romania_Moldavia_North 5.4 RU_Pinega 2.4 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 0.2 Crimean_Tatar 0.0 Ashkenazi 0.0 Gagauz 0.0 Moldova_Centre 0.0 Moldova_North 0.0 Moldova_South 0.0 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova 0.0 Romania_Banat 0.0 Romania_Crisana 0.0 Romania_Dobruja 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_average 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_South 0.0 Romania_Muntenia 0.0 Romania_Transylvania 0.0 Romanian_Oltenia 0.0 Romanian_Wallachia 0.0 Russian_Smolensk 0.0 Ukrainian 0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
Target: 50Suceava_50Neamt
Distance: 351.1396% / 3.51139573 | ADC: 0.25x100.0 Romania_Moldavia_North 0.0 Romania_Banat 0.0 Romania_Crisana 0.0 Romania_Dobruja 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_average 0.0 Romania_Moldavia_South 0.0 Romania_Muntenia 0.0 Romania_Transylvania 0.0 Romanian_Oltenia 0.0 Romanian_Wallachia
Romanian Jew, 1/2 Bacau, 1/2 Iasi
# Population Percent 1 East_Med 36.19 2 North_Atlantic 17.12 3 West_Med 16.54 4 West_Asian 11.62 5 Baltic 8.54 6 Red_Sea 6.5 7 Siberian 1.03 8 Oceanian 0.96 9 South_Asian 0.62 10 Amerindian 0.54 11 Sub-Saharan 0.34 12 East_Asian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Ashkenazi 3.73 2 Italian_Jewish 7.42 3 East_Sicilian 7.43 4 Sephardic_Jewish 7.46 5 South_Italian 7.95 6 Central_Greek 8.47 7 Algerian_Jewish 9.03 8 West_Sicilian 9.52 9 Italian_Abruzzo 9.97 10 Tunisian_Jewish 10.57 11 Libyan_Jewish 11.67 12 Greek_Thessaly 12.55 13 Cyprian 14.52 14 Tuscan 15.18 15 Lebanese_Muslim 17.24 16 Syrian 18.4 17 Lebanese_Druze 19.28 18 Samaritan 19.61 19 Palestinian 19.63 20 Jordanian 20.1
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 91% Ashkenazi + 9% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.22 2 78.3% Ashkenazi + 21.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.22 3 94.3% Ashkenazi + 5.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.43 4 94.5% Ashkenazi + 5.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.45 5 82.6% Ashkenazi + 17.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.46 6 92.9% Ashkenazi + 7.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.5 7 88.7% Ashkenazi + 11.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.5 8 94.2% Ashkenazi + 5.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.51 9 95% Ashkenazi + 5% Assyrian @ 3.51 10 94.1% Ashkenazi + 5.9% Palestinian @ 3.52 11 96% Ashkenazi + 4% Armenian @ 3.55 12 95.9% Ashkenazi + 4.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.55 13 96.5% Ashkenazi + 3.5% Kurdish @ 3.56 14 96.7% Ashkenazi + 3.3% Iranian @ 3.58 15 96.9% Ashkenazi + 3.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.58 16 94.7% Ashkenazi + 5.3% Syrian @ 3.58 17 96.2% Ashkenazi + 3.8% Azeri @ 3.59 18 95.1% Ashkenazi + 4.9% Samaritan @ 3.59 19 93.6% Ashkenazi + 6.4% Cyprian @ 3.6 20 95.9% Ashkenazi + 4.1% Turkish @ 3.62
Dodecad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Just a post on IncelSlayer, whom I didn't know, but some guys said that he was from Galati.
If he was then his autosomal profile was quite atypical compared to the other galateni that I managed to gather so far.
He is the one that's highlighted.
https://i.imgur.com/CDE9lo1.png
Something is fishy about that guy. I know he has lot of east Slavic matches on 23andme. There was a rumor his mother is Slovak also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
He is extremelly anti-Slavic btw.
I have Incel's Dodecad
Population
Gedrosia 1.08
Siberian 0.39
Northwest_African 2.07
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.55
North_European 48.35
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.89
East_Asian 1.16
Caucasus 16.51
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: IncelSlayer
3.92736553 Hungarians
6.84915323 Croat
7.87817872 Bosnian
8.92890811 R.Moldova_Centre+North
9.56792036 Sorb_Lusatia
9.63155751 Ukrainian
10.96348941 HUN_Szekely
11.42939631 Serb
11.65831034 German
12.00991257 PL_Mazovia
Target: IncelSlayer
Distance: 3.0251% / 3.02513933 | ADC: 0.25x
85.8 Hungarians
8.2 Mixed_Slav
3.2 Bulgarians
2.8 Moroccan
Some Lipovans settled along Prut, on both sides of the river, while most continued over to the Danube Delta. Maybe he's a descendant of them, without knowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
I made a neighbour joining tree for the samples in this database for R. Moldova and Romania's Moldavia. The image might be a bit small, so don't hesitate to save or open it in a new tab and zoom in.
Two big clusters can be identified, a Northern cluster in the lower half and a Southern one in the upper.
Legend:
R. Moldova
Brown - samples collected from the North
Crimson - Centre
Pink - South
Romanian Moldavia
Dark blue - North
Blue - South
All
Black - samples of mixed ancestry
I put some coloured dots next to my family, just for my viewing pleasure. I am close to my dad for example, while my brother to my mom.
https://i.postimg.cc/6WsTLmw2/test-MD2.jpg
The Galati sample that sticks out in the lower half is IncelSlayer.
BF4159843 < this one seems Moldovan, do you have it?
Serbs also get divided into these 2 clusters in this algorithm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6478176
but Serbs actually plot on a long continuous Slavic-Paleo-Balkanic spectrum, a PCA shows this better than the tree clustering.
Could be according to the surname, but it's hard to tell without confirmation. I've asked them.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
CV6447782 this is the one i posted in the Wallachian threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
He is from Iasi. Even though he now lives in Cernica, you can see that when he was much younger he went to lyceum in Iasi.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
i just found his articles about Cernica so i guessed he's from there. is his result normal for a pure Romanian from Iasi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
I have only 6 kits from Iasi, but he scores like one person from there (the first one in this screenshot).Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
https://i.imgur.com/Vj0ASY4.png