Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

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Originally Posted by Quasimodem

Load the IBS matrix with the following as components (i.e. the columns of the matrix), but only the Europeans of that group as the data points (i.e. the rows of the matrix):

Spanish (SW)
French (W)
Italian, N Italian and Tuscan (S)
Irish and Cornwall (NW)
Scandinavian (N)
Ukrainian and Mordvin (E)
Bulgarian and Greek (SE)
Cypriot and Turkish (ESE)
Adyghe, Chechens and Lezgins (North Caucasus)

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Why not use an extreme Eastern population like the Chuvash, considering there are extra-European southeastern populations?

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Originally Posted by Bastarnae

Interesting how you could, with slight modification, arrange the Europe map over it and it would be close.

http://i52.tinypic.com/54xfly.png

Quickly drew this in less than 1 minute, so don't neg rep me that I can't draw Europe! :D

& I'm MD1 by the way- I think I barely registered as European. I wonder where Turks would be on this?

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Haha, I don't think that I can see mine, I'm US245, perhaps i'm in the humongous area of clustering/overlapping. lol.

I just ordered 23andme. Will they give a break down of my ethnic heritage?

Interesting how the Dutch are spread very broadly. While Russians largely fit on one screen. I'm not sure it's a good idea to use important populations to be analysed as reference points, except if there is no choice (such as with the Irish).

It is not a surprise that Ukrainians will fit Eastern Europe and Scandinavians will fit Northern Europe and Italians will fit Southern Europe on the map, because they were placed there specifically as reference populations. So I'd imagine it's more useful for those populations which weren't used as references, especially those that aren't obviously related. It would be useful for Romanians, Dutchmen or the Portuguese, and they end up fairly spread up.

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Originally Posted by Boudica

Haha, I don't think that I can see mine, I'm US245, perhaps i'm in the humongous area of clustering/overlapping. lol.

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You're in the French cluster here, next to BE2, US244, FR, FR, FR, FCA3 and so forth: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1586/geoflip2.png

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Originally Posted by Humanophage

Interesting how the Dutch are spread very broadly. While Russians largely fit on one screen. I'm not sure it's a good idea to use important populations to be analysed as reference points, except if there is no choice (such as with the Irish).

It is not a surprise that Ukrainians will fit Eastern Europe and Scandinavians will fit Northern Europe and Italians will fit Southern Europe on the map, because they were placed there specifically as reference populations. So I'd imagine it's more useful for those populations which weren't used as references, especially those that aren't obviously related. It would be useful for Romanians, Dutchmen or the Portuguese, and they end up fairly spread up.


You're in the French cluster here, next to BE2, US244, FR, FR, FR, FCA3 and so forth: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1586/geoflip2.png

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Thanks :D I wonder who FCA3 is, they seem to be very close.

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Originally Posted by Humanophage

Interesting how the Dutch are spread very broadly.

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As I can see there are only 5 Dutch samples. We will need way more to make a conclusive judgement on that.

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Originally Posted by Bastarnae

Interesting how you could, with slight modification, arrange the Europe map over it and it would be close.

http://i52.tinypic.com/54xfly.png

Quickly drew this in less than 1 minute, so don't neg rep me that I can't draw Europe! :D

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Most Scandinavians live in the North sea?:p

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Originally Posted by Bastarnae

Interesting how you could, with slight modification, arrange the Europe map over it and it would be close.

http://i52.tinypic.com/54xfly.png

Quickly drew this in less than 1 minute, so don't neg rep me that I can't draw Europe! :D

& I'm MD1 by the way- I think I barely registered as European. I wonder where Turks would be on this?

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My position is similar to McDonald's charts on that one then. I'm not alone on this one though, theres somebody from Kent with me. :D

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Originally Posted by Loki

You just filter on your ID, transpose the lot and then sort from highest to lowest value in Excel. :)

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I'll try it out later, thanks Loki. :thumb001:

Finally i found the time and the will to run my own results (and thanks a portuguese friend of this forum :) )

It's EUROGENES (West Eurasian sub-structure : 14 clusters)

(i pointed out the 3 main components)



20.32% Northeast_Euro
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.00% Berber
0.09% South_Asian
45.33% West_Euro
0.03% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.00% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
25.84% East_Mediterranean
3.71% Middle_Eastern
3.39% West_Asian
1.29% Volga-Ural

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Originally Posted by Boudica

Haha, I don't think that I can see mine, I'm US245, perhaps i'm in the humongous area of clustering/overlapping. lol.

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Yeah, you seem average for an American, clustering with the N-W Europeans.

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/2183/ancestrymap.png

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This is the best map I could produce to depict the ancestral stock of "white Americans". There is a lot of data on this subject from the census.

-- I got all the data behind these maps from the Census 1980 Ancestry report. [1980 was the first year that "What is this person's ancestry?" was asked].

-- Here are some simple choropleth maps of distributions of ancestry groups in the USA. And a map of the most-numerous ancestry-group reported for each county. I'm sure most people have seen these or similar maps at some point...my goal was sort of to convey the information in all those maps in a single map.

-- The best/only(?) way to convey overall-ancestry by state in a single map was the "mean center" map I created. This was tricky to figure out in ArcMap and was a big timesink in general, but I'm happy with it. Basically the concept is that a spatial average is calculated for all the country-of-ancestry centroids, but all the dots are weighted [given more "pull"] by the population I assigned them (which I took from the 1980 census). Here is an image of a more well-known application of the mean-center technique...

-- Here is an image of the file I created of all the centroids of various population groups, which was step one in creating the state dots. (Most are centroids for countries, but some I assigned based on outside knowledge, e.g. the Basque dot sitting in the north of Spain... And yes, I included Arab countries and Iran, since the U.S. Census apparently classifies them as white.)

Other comments:
Most people who have been in the USA for multiple generations have more than one country of ancestral origin. But most people only gave one response was given to the ancestry question on the census form. Hopefully it all more-or-less evened out, since the numbers being dealt with here are so large (200 million people). The census allowed multiple reporting, and lots of people reported several. In compiling the data I weighted a multiple response as 0.5 and a single response as 1.0...

Some would criticize the idea that the mean-center map is valid in this case, because, for example, the number of people of French in Hawaii is probably very low: Yet the mean-center for Hawaii is in France. I think those criticisms are not valid, because if someone understands the concept they will rightly see this map as relative, and broad patterns can be seen (especially compared to the "USA" dot).

1. North Dakota is the most Scandinavian state, followed by Minnesota.

2. Rhode Island's mean-center is furthest south (apparently because of the large number of Portuguese who settled there), followed by New Mexico (a large share of Spanish). New York and New Jersey are also far south from their large number of Italians. Hawaii is pretty far south, I wasn't expecting that. It looks like a lot more Portuguese went there than I would expect.

3. California is exactly average except has a larger pull southward, obviously from white Hispanics but also from numerous other immigrant groups, like Armenians, Iranians, and so on.

(One other thing of interest is the lack of many people at all willing to claim "Belgian" ancestry. This is because there are no Belgians, only a few million southern Dutch and a few million French who share a state, for some bizarre historical reason.)

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According to this I'm a Turk (MD1):

http://i53.tinypic.com/15881nr.png

Anyways if Anatolian Turks (the ones with little or no Mong infleunce) were included they would be somewhere near Kuwait or perhaps even as far as Qatar.

*edit: found the older one that includes Turks:

http://i56.tinypic.com/elefeu.png

Have to flip it 90 degrees to correlate with the map

http://i51.tinypic.com/2qtuxcx.png

It's interesting how this map almost corelates with my McDonald Map. I'm PT2:

http://i53.tinypic.com/15881nr.png

http://oi54.tinypic.com/8zdw0k.jpg

Eurogenes K-10

(14 october)

main components :

West/southwest euro = 46,0%

North/east euro = 24,4%

Mediterranean/middle = 14,3%

West Asian = 14,2%

Me (I had to run it through Dienekes' calculator since I wasn't included in the spreadsheet):

41.41% Orange (North + East European)
37.29% Green (Southwest + West European)
8.92% Pink (West Asian)
7.33% Aqua Green (Mediterranean + Middle Eastern)
2.12% Dark Blue (Sub-Saharan African)
0.99% Red (South Asian)
0.97% Purple (Southeast Asian)
0.61% Blue (East Asian)
0.32% Yellow (Northeast African)
0.03% Aqua Blue (North Asian)

Me (through DIYDodecad)
0.04% S_Asian
53.17% N_E_Euro
0.00% NE_African
29.16% SW_W_Euro
8.77% Med_ME
0.64% N_Asian
0.00% E_Asian
0.00% Sub_Saharan
0.29% SE_Asian
7.93% W_Asian

Here are my new results:

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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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2.10% S_Asian
48.16% N_E_Euro
0.02% NE_African
40.16% SW_W_Euro
2.41% Med_ME
0.07% N_Asian
0.00% E_Asian
0.00% Sub_Saharan
0.00% SE_Asian
7.09% W_Asian

CPU time = 582.48 sec

I made a RMSD calculator for the new WE10 run. It is the same as the others; use OpenOffice, plug in your values, and get a chart at the bottom. I have ran a few tests to check the accuracy, but there still may be a few errors. If anything looks suspicious, let me know.

Here is a link to the spreadsheet, and here is my chart:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...0RMSDChart.jpg

Also, I have only included 30 European populations to this spreadsheet. It would have taken too long to add all the groups and it would have made the chart gigantic. Please pardon my Eurocentricness. :)

My top ten:

Dutch 1.20
Austrian 1.71
Danish 1.78
German 2.01
Scots 2.13
English 2.35
Irish 2.55
British 2.64
Norwegian 3.27
Swedish 3.87

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Originally Posted by Rochefaton

I made a RMSD calculator for the new WE10 run. It is the same as the others; use OpenOffice, plug in your values, and get a chart at the bottom. I have ran a few tests to check the accuracy, but there still may be a few errors. If anything looks suspicious, let me know.

Here is a link to the spreadsheet, and here is my chart:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...0RMSDChart.jpg

Also, I have only included 30 European populations to this spreadsheet. It would have taken too long to add all the groups and it would have made the chart gigantic. Please pardon my Eurocentricness. :)

My top ten:

Dutch 1.20
Austrian 1.71
Danish 1.78
German 2.01
Scots 2.13
English 2.35
Irish 2.55
British 2.64
Norwegian 3.27
Swedish 3.87

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Roche where's the spreadsheet the one i saw has no US samples

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Originally Posted by Sahson

Roche where's the spreadsheet the one i saw has no US samples

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The US was not included in this run. Americans have to process their 23andMe raw data themselves, and then place their results into the spreadsheet.

My latest:

North + East European: 40.5%
Southwest + West European: 27.4%
Mediterranean + MEast: 16.3%
West Asian: 13.8%

thanks Roche

1. Austrian 1
2. German 1.49
3. Dutch 2.34
4. Denmark 2.41
5. SW scot 3.33
6. Kent 3.53
7. Norway 3.65
8. UK 3.84
9. Sweden 3.88
10. Hungary 4.17

Humanophage
North + East European 0.756449
Southwest + West European 0.110571
Mediterranean + Middle Eastern 0.095324
South Asian 0.015516
North Asian 0.013397
West Asian 0.005469
Southeast Asian 0.003244
Northeast African 0.00001
East Asian 0.00001
Sub-Saharan African 0.00001

In comparison to population averages. Note my very low West Asian. South Asian, meanwhile, seems to be high among Scandinavians - must be soaking up something in the wrong manner:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...0Eurogenes.jpg

I think it's more useful to look at how one ranks among individuals from the same nation than to look at their averages, because these can be easily twisted. For instance, one Russian has a much higher North Asian score than everyone else.

Here is how I rank among Russians, Ukrainians, and North Russians (e.g., 4th highest out of 37 Russians in South Asian). Notice how I have an elevated Med+ME among Russians, yet it is small by Ukrainian measures. My North Asian element sets me apart from Ukrainians, however, in spite of being very small in comparison to other Russians.
Russians (N=37)
South Asian 4
North + East European 10
Northeast African 37
Southwest + West European 21
Mediterranean + Middle Eastern 9
North Asian 26
East Asian 37
Sub-Saharan African 37
Southeast Asian 21
West Asian 31

Ukrainians (N=22)
South Asian 1
North + East European 3
Northeast African 22
Southwest + West European 17
Mediterranean + Middle Eastern 17
North Asian 2
East Asian 22
Sub-Saharan African 22
Southeast Asian 13
West Asian 20

North Russians (N=26)
South Asian 4
North + East European 7
Northeast African 26
Southwest + West European 4
Mediterranean + Middle Eastern 4
North Asian 26
East Asian 26
Sub-Saharan African 26
Southeast Asian 13
West Asian 22

My distances using Rochefaton's calculator. Since my northern + eastern European is towering, while my southwest + west European score is modest, there is a signficiant gap starting from Hungarians.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...Rochefaton.jpg

1. Belarusians 0.810684896
2. Russians 1.509937085
3. Lithuanians 1.716601293
4. N. Russians 2.232039426
5. Estonians 2.580236423
6. Ukrainians 2.622725681
7. Poles 2.916959033
8. Finns 3.502650425
9. Hungarians 9.83955436
10. Swedes 11.02400698

Bah, I'd get my results in but it is taking forever to download the zip file. :(

Here you are, Boudica:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...E10Boudica.jpg

Your top 10:

AT 2.22
DE 3.46
RS 3.58
NL 3.67
FR 4.36
SW Scot 4.47
DK 4.50
HU 4.52
Kent 4.66
RO 4.66

Courtesy of AlabamaMan:

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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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0.52% S_Asian
43.67% N_E_Euro
0.00% NE_African
41.61% SW_W_Euro
5.25% Med_ME
0.00% N_Asian
0.22% E_Asian
0.09% Sub_Saharan
0.01% SE_Asian
8.62% W_Asian

CPU time = 722.52 sec
RMS Top 10:
AT 1.40
NL 1.80
DE 2.45
SW Scot 2.77
DK 2.84
Kent 2.90
IE 3.25
UK 3.30
Cornwall 3.44
FR 3.79


Find it strange that this time around Austria, Netherlands, and Germany are at the top when in all the other runs it was UK, Kent, SW Scot, Australia and such (those older runs making sense given that nearly 3/4ths of my ancestors were British Islander's, a little fluctuation below 3/4ths given that I'm finding some Frenchie names in recent genealogical searches that mixed into my British lines but not to the extant that it should influence figures too much).

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Originally Posted by Humanophage

Since my northern + eastern European is towering, while my southwest + west European score is modest, there is a signficiant gap starting from Hungarians.

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Same for me! Our North+Northeast scores are very similar.

I'm LT5 :)
http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/t...rogenesmoi.jpg

South Asian 0%
North + East European 77.8386%
NE African 0%
SW + West European 12.6175%
Mediterranean + Middle Eastern 9.5369%
North Asian 0%
East Asian 0%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
SE Asian 0%
West Asian 0%

^ Same for me, but in a reverse way from you two. My big gap starts in Poland though.

http://oi53.tinypic.com/jj4mfo.jpg

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48.31% SW_W_Euro
47.90% N_E_Euro
01.73% Med_ME
01.06% S_Asian
01.00% W_Asian

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1.24 UK
1.51 IE
1.56 Kent
1.89 Cornw
1.91 DK
1.95 SW Scot
2.03 NL
2.89 NO
3.62 DE
3.92 AT

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Originally Posted by Barreldriver

Find it strange that this time around Austria, Netherlands, and Germany are at the top when in all the other runs it was UK, Kent, SW Scot, Australia and such (those older runs making sense given that nearly 3/4ths of my ancestors were British Islander's, a little fluctuation below 3/4ths given that I'm finding some Frenchie names in recent genealogical searches that mixed into my British lines but not to the extant that it should influence figures too much).

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I'm not sure that it's always possible for calculator people to compare their results to those of the reference samples.

The safest way to go for you guys is to compare results with those of other calculator people.

Ideally, to get the best results for individuals, everyone should be in the original ADMIXTURE run, but that's no longer possible.

Pallantides(NO2)

North+East European - 57.79%
Southwest+West European - 40.44%
East Asian - 1.12%
North Asian - 0.62%
South Asian - 0%
Northeast African - 0%
Mediterranean+Middle Eastern - 0%
Sub-Saharan African - 0%
Southeast Asian - 0%
West Asian - 0%

North Asian, East Asian and Southeast Asian in 9 Norwegians, 17 Swedes, 3 Danes and 1 Icelander

NO2 - 0.62% / 1.12% / 0.00%
NO3 - 1.75% / 0.00% / 0.00%
NO4 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 1.31%
NO5 - 1.55% / 0.00% / 0.00%
NO6 - 0.00% / 1.82% / 0.00%
NO7 - 2.27% / 0.00% / 0.00%
NO8 - 1.63% / 0.45% / 0.00%
NO9 - 0.05% / 0.72% / 0.00%
NO10 - 0.94% / 0.00% / 0.00%

SE1 - 0.17% / 0.00% / 0.16%
SE2 - 2.15% / 0.73% / 0.16%
SE4 - 1.03% / 0.00% / 0.57%
SE5 - 1.46% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE6 - 0.36% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE7 - 1.67% / 0.66% / 0.00%
SE8 - 0.72% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE9 - 2.12% / 0.03% / 0.00%
SE10 - 0.75% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE11 - 0.19% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE12 - 0.00% / 0.43% / 0.81%
SE13 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE14 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE15 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE16 - 6.1% / 0.00% / 0.00%
SE17 - 1.41% / 0.27% / 0.15%
SE19 - 2.4% / 0.34% / 0.00%
SE20 - 1.85% / 0.00% / 0.00%

DK2 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 0.00%
DK3 - 0.00% / 0.36% / 0.00%
DK4 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 0.00%

IS1 - 0.00% / 0.00% / 1.11%

My genomewide results for NEU:

28.70% South_Baltic
23.68% North_Baltic
47.62% Northwest_Euro

Plot with Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, Finns and Germans:
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5...compcolors.png

(I'm in the top left corner, NO2)

My position on the PCA posted by Day Tipper on ABF: http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1559/no2la.jpg

My results:

33.70% South_Baltic
1.56% North_Baltic
64.75% Northwest_Euro

Interesting new trial on Eurogenes.
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/11/e...-map-from.html

I tried to draw a narrower and wider German+Austrian cluster:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1322751859

I think it is also interesting to compare this with the results of Dienekes:

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bt_y7cvHOc...600/galore.png

Some details on the cluster:
#1-3 are dominated by all 100 Finns plus 2 Swedes
#4 is clearly Balto-Slavic
#5 is clearly Russian
#6 is Norwegian-Swedish
#8 is British Isles
#9 is also British Isles but also encompasses all 3 Danes and a Dutch
#10 is French dominated
#11 is Central European (German-Hungarian)
#13-14 are British-Orcadian

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http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/04...h-central.html

The distinction between a more Central-Southern and Central-Eastern European and more Central-Northern European tendency is clear in both efforts, but largely because of Germans are truly Central in such plots and overlap with the fringes of others.

Eurogenes' North Euro clusters - phase 1, exploring the data


POPs Spreadsheet

Pop12(South/West Scandinavian)

SENO1
SE8
NO2
IS1
DK3
SE6
NO4
NO6
SE10
NO10
SE14
NO8
NO3
DK2
NO9
NO5
SE15

POP14(Fenno-Scandian)

SE9
FI111
FI130
SE16

POP17(East Scandinavian)

NO7
SE4
SE12
SE20
SE13
SE2
SENO2
SE19
SE7
SE17
SE11
SE1
SE5

I be listed at the very bottom of the list for Northwest European Pop21 (US83).

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I be listed at the very bottom of the list for Northwest European Pop21 (US83).

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I'll try and break that up. It should budge sooner or later.