Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Lucas

But what is now is also by Vb. Just we agreed some time ago we don't need too detailed refs for Balkans.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I think they are right. 10 averages for Serbia is gigantic. Dushan and someone else have noted that Serbia is not even that diverse. I'm pretty sure 3 Serbian pops would do just fine.

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Actually, there are 4 averages for Serbia, 3 for Bosnian Serbs, 1 Montenegrin, and 2 for Serbs from Croatia.

I would merge Serb_Croatia_south and Serb_Croatia_north into one average.

So 9 averages for Serbs is not so much.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Actually, there are 4 averages for Serbia, 3 for Bosnian Serbs, 1 Montenegrin, and 2 for Serbs from Croatia.

I would merge Serb_Croatia_south and Serb_Croatia_north into one average.

So 9 averages for Serbs is not so much.

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What about one cluster Serb_Bosnia, instead of Bosanska Krajina and Bosnia proper?

Clusters for Serbs are more complicated than for Bosniaks and Croatians, because Serbs are more numerous and historically live on larger territory.

Ethnic map of Yugoslavia 1981 (blue Serbs, green Bosniaks, orange Croatians)
https://i.ibb.co/bscVKD4/J3-Ds-Zp672...Xddt-ROI-3.jpg

Well, those averages show only minor differences. That's what I'm judging by, of course I don't know about historical divisions of Serbia. But IMO if a country doesn't have massive genetic variation, there shouldn't be a dozen of pops for that country.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, those averages show only minor differences. That's what I'm judging by, of course I don't know about historical divisions of Serbia. But IMO if a country doesn't have massive genetic variation, there shouldn't be a dozen of pops for that country.

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My proposal for regional Serbian averages:
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
Serb_Serbia_west_and central
Serb_Serbia_south_and_east
Serb_Montenegro
Serb_BiH_Herzegovina
Serb_BiH_Bosnia
Serb_Croatia

In my favorite calculator, Dodecad K12b, we have simply Serbian, Montenegrin, Croatian and Bosnian averages and I think they're decent.

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Originally Posted by Varda

My proposal for regional Serbian averages:
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
Serb_Serbia_west_and central
Serb_Serbia_south_and_east
Serb_Montenegro
Serb_BiH_Herzegovina
Serb_BiH_Bosnia
Serb_Croatia

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Given that Crna Gora is a sovereign country now (of course Croatia & BiH are too), that may be okay. I can't say much though.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Given that Crna Gora is a sovereign country now (of course Croatia & BiH are too), that may be okay. I can't say much though.

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In Serb_Herzegovina cluster vbn included western part of Montenegro known as Old Herzegovina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Herzegovina
Most of the Old Herzegovina is part of Montenegro since 1878 and smaller part since 1912. I think samples from there should be in Serb_Montenegro cluster. People from Old Herzegovina are mixed with people from other parts of Montenegro for the long time, linguistically they are "montenegrized" and historically Old Herzegovina is tribal region like most of the rest of Montenegro.
In the last over 100 years Herzergovinian Serbs are only from part of Herzegovina which belong to BiH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzegovina), they are not tribal neither montenegrized like people from Old (Montenegrin) Herzegovina.

I removed Zaza / Kurd-Zaza ref from Dodecad. Some peoople asked to add Kurd, now other on FB ask me to remove because they are not Kurds. I don't want to have such problematic ref anymore.

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Originally Posted by Lucas

I removed Zaza / Kurd-Zaza ref from Dodecad. Some peoople asked to add Kurd, now other on FB ask me to remove because they are not Kurds. I don't want to have such problematic ref anymore.

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What a bunch of lunatics. But it's a legit population, not made up.