Do Scandinavians have Mongoloid DNA?

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Originally Posted by aksakallicocuk

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East asian admixture.

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I was actually looking at the Caspian Sea instead of the Black Sea. It's easier to make this mistake than you'd think, as the whole Central Asian region was, for the most part, historically Indo-Iranian or Aryan.

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They're not a fan of The Apricity, and they've also made the startling, fraudulent, fabricated and false claim that FTDNA's 'Ancient European Origins' feature is incorrect and misleading! They obviously think the Indo-European component is a bit silly, and not to be taken seriously, but in the end you can't help feeling that they're butthurt over the fact that they scored comparatively low on the ancientOrigins test measuring Indo-European ancestry. There's simply no way that this level of "crazy" and "insane" can be for real.

Luckily for us, we now have Genoplot's calculators to guide us and to figure out how much East Asian ancestry someone has, but as Science Magazine explains, to determine how much East Asian or African ancestry someone has, their DNA is matched against a true "East Asian" or "African" sample. Though, of course, it's not as simple as that. Not everyone, however, agrees on what this is, and even if they did, that East Asian or African may have ancestry that's more mixed, or more "multiple," than can be gleaned from current techniques.

I have recently gone through the online calculators available at the Genoplot website, and I can only find that the Swedes and the east Europeans score low on tests measuring East Asian or Mongol ancestry. Cossacks, from what I can see, generally carry some degree of Mongol genetic ancestry (many of the Transbaykal Cossacks, as Rayfield (2013) points out, were of Buryat Mongol blood), and Ukranians are on average around 1.5 percent Paleo-Asian. And that's about it. But I highly doubt that Ukrainians even carry 1 to 2 percent East Asian genes on average, regardless of what Eupedia would have you think or would have us believe. Some samples actually show that they are 100 percent Aryan. I have yet to find any trace, or, at least, any substantial trace, of them (Mongols) or any traces of East Asian elements in Swedes or in any other European genome. However, this is not to say that these samples, or at least some of these samples, do not contain minor amounts of East Asian genetic elements, or at least some amount of it. Moreover, certain samples of Swedish origin or of Ukrainian origin may indeed contain small traces of East Asian ancestry or contain traces of certain East Asian genetic materials, as the following example illustrates.

Sample: Gotland VA o ► Average
Calculator: Ultimate World Deep Ancestry
Siberia Uralic-like Hunter-Gatherer RUS Krasnoyarsk BA: 7.8
Japan Jomon Hunter-Gatherer JPN Jomon: 2.2

Sample: Gotland VA o ► Average
Calculator: Central Asian - Iron Age
Srubnaya IA: 80
Greek: 0
Persian: 0
Scythian: 0
Mongol: 20

Sample: Gotland VA o ► Average
Calculator: Tripartite + Central Asian Iron Age
Steppe: 82.2
Greek: 0
Persian: 0
Mongol: 17.8
Scythian: 0

Sample: Gotland VA o ► Average
Calculator: GNETICSIKIRU G25 South/Central Asia
RUS Sintashta MLBA: 89.8
TUR Kaman-Kalehoyuk MLBA: 0
NPL Samdzong 1500BP: 3.6
MNG Mongol: 6.6

Again, this seems to be correct as well. And I seem to be getting it right.

Sample: Cossack Kuban ► Average
Calculator: Ultimate World Deep Ancestry
Siberia Uralic-like Hunter-Gatherer RUS Krasnoyarsk BA: 2.6
Amur Basin Hunter-Gatherer RUS Devils Gate Cave N: 1.4

The Swedes and the Ukrainians, on the other hand, do not carry those genes, and their ancestral components are pretty much the same, namely, Yamnaya Steppe, Anatolia Neolithic, and Baltic Narva Hunter-Gatherer.

Sample: Swedish ► Average
Calculator: Ultimate World Deep Ancestry
Pontic Steppe Yamnaya Pastoralist Yamnaya RUS Samara: 45.4
Anatolia Neolithic Farmer TUR Barcin N: 33
Baltics Narva Hunter-Gatherer Baltic LTU Narva: 21.6
Siberia Uralic-like Hunter-Gatherer RUS Krasnoyarsk BA: 0
Amur Basin Hunter-Gatherer RUS Devils Gate Cave N: 0
Japan Jomon Hunter-Gatherer JPN Jomon: 0
Levant Neolithic Farmer Levant PPNB: 0
Levant Natufian Hunter-Gatherer Levant Natufian: 0
Iran Neolithic Farmer IRN Ganj Dareh N: 0
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer GEO CHG: 0
West Europe Hunter-Gatherer WHG: 0
Morocco Early Neolithic Farmer MAR EN: 0

Sample: Ukrainian ► Average
Calculator: Ultimate World Deep Ancestry
Pontic Steppe Yamnaya Pastoralist Yamnaya RUS Samara: 45.4
Anatolia Neolithic Farmer TUR Barcin N: 33.4
Baltics Narva Hunter-Gatherer Baltic LTU Narva: 21.2
Siberia Uralic-like Hunter-Gatherer RUS Krasnoyarsk BA: 0
Amur Basin Hunter-Gatherer RUS Devils Gate Cave N: 0
Japan Jomon Hunter-Gatherer JPN Jomon: 0
Levant Neolithic Farmer Levant PPNB: 0
Levant Natufian Hunter-Gatherer Levant Natufian: 0
Iran Neolithic Farmer IRN Ganj Dareh N: 0
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer GEO CHG: 0
West Europe Hunter-Gatherer WHG: 0
Morocco Early Neolithic Farmer MAR EN: 0

Cossacks also seem to be sharing the same components.

Sample: Cossack Ukrainian ► Average
Calculator: Ultimate World Deep Ancestry
Pontic Steppe Yamnaya Pastoralist Yamnaya RUS Samara: 45.2
Anatolia Neolithic Farmer TUR Barcin N: 32.2
Baltics Narva Hunter-Gatherer Baltic LTU Narva: 22.6
Siberia Uralic-like Hunter-Gatherer RUS Krasnoyarsk BA: 0
Amur Basin Hunter-Gatherer RUS Devils Gate Cave N: 0
Japan Jomon Hunter-Gatherer JPN Jomon: 0
Levant Neolithic Farmer Levant PPNB: 0
Levant Natufian Hunter-Gatherer Levant Natufian: 0
Iran Neolithic Farmer IRN Ganj Dareh N: 0
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer GEO CHG: 0
West Europe Hunter-Gatherer WHG: 0
Morocco Early Neolithic Farmer MAR EN: 0

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Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07483-5

I wonder why people continue asking this same question years after years, but not how much SSA is found in Portugal or Spain. Okay forget thus question, it is too disturbing.

I made a PCA plot using G25 data and found that Swedes are close Central European Corded Ware people and Finns East European Fatyanovo, on the x axis (28%) all ancient North and East Asian, the y axis (20%) extremities North European Hunter Gatherers and Anatolian Farmers and LBK, LBK being also another extremity on the x axis.

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Originally Posted by Östsvensk

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Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07483-5

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Originally Posted by Russki

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I thought it was common knowledge by now on these forums that those Russians represent Kargopol Russians, but oh well.

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Originally Posted by Östsvensk

I thought it was common knowledge by now on these forums that those Russians represent Kargopol Russians, but oh well.

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I tried several Swedes whose data I saw on another forum. A very low percentage of Siberia from 0-1.2%. Tell me, who are the northern Swedes, how many of them are in percentage relation to other Swedes? Is there a G25 result of the northern Swede.? Russians are still unclear why the Russians of the far north appear in most studies. Why not the main Russians. For example, my wife in g25 does not have Siberia at all 0.2-0.4%, she is Western Russian. I have about 1.8%. But research is persistently carried out with kargapol.

Estonians are amazing, they are very similar to Finns in terms of results and differ from all Europeans, but they have a low Siberia, on a par with Central Europe.

my guess is that northern Sweden has less population, and i think thats Sami land, or nearby

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Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen

I wonder why people continue asking this same question years after years, but not how much SSA is found in Portugal or Spain. Okay forget thus question, it is too disturbing.

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hahahaahah, what a funny guy you are, Lemmin :pound:

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Originally Posted by ugochaves

I tried several Swedes whose data I saw on another forum. A very low percentage of Siberia from 0-1.2%. Tell me, who are the northern Swedes, how many of them are in percentage relation to other Swedes? Is there a G25 result of the northern Swede.? Russians are still unclear why the Russians of the far north appear in most studies. Why not the main Russians. For example, my wife in g25 does not have Siberia at all 0.2-0.4%, she is Western Russian. I have about 1.8%. But research is persistently carried out with kargapol.

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Some northern and central Swedes score 1-3% Siberian on GEDMatch. There are also northern and central Swedes who score none like south Swedes. I think the user Aren showed results from Swedes of southern Lappland that had no Siberian.

The Eurogenes K13/K15 spreadsheets have a separate North Swedish group.

Northern Sweden only makes up 10-15% of the country's population.