Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Laberia

O Tino, ik o sumçe mos na ça trapin se më ngatërron me ndonjë tjetër.

---

Po si mund te ngaterrohesh ti. Edhe Somalezi Waadad duket si zoteri Anglez ne raport me ty. Ti je textbook malok.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sorcelow

Is there any explanation for why this haplogroup reaches such high percentages in southern Albania?

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/cont...ogroup_I2a.gif

I would think that its the leftovers from Kutmichevitsa Slavs



Either that or its somehow native?

---

How many examples of exemples of albanian ydna you have in total ??? Where are they???
I don't think more than 300 and most of them in the north.
When people know their klan origin than it's different, you can assume that every example is backed from thousands of other clan members otherwise everything it's just a speculation.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Europa Nazione

He simply don't know which term to use, like 90% people which discuss about genetics.

---

Thank you Europa Nazione.
BTW, i suggest to you as signature the song, we servs are Superman.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sokoli

Po si mund te ngaterrohesh ti. Edhe Somalezi Waadad duket si zoteri Anglez ne raport me ty. Ti je textbook malok.

---

Ej, si po ecën me firmat për vetingun, sa firma ke mbledhur te tavolina jote?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sokoli

There are ancient cities in the south and the people that founded them had slaves, hence slavic dna. That E-V13 is a slave originating haplogroup too.

---

So you suggesting I2a dinarid and E-v13 is slave origin. Who were the masters then?! J2 and R1b?
Your logic is very weird but intruging. So If they were slaves why would slaves occupy the most fertile lands in all of europe not only balkan peninsula, E-v13 permanently occupying Dardania/kosovo the most fertile richest valley in balkans while on the other side I2a dinaric occupies bosnia criatia, the most fertile ladns in europe.
I dont understand?! Why dont the american slaves in USA dont occupy the best neighborhoods in the country, or england, or france?!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Laberia

Ej, si po ecën me firmat për vetingun, sa firma ke mbledhur te tavolina jote?

---

Nji mut
Erdhen nja dy vete por ne vend te firmes kishin shkru "qisha rilindjen ne bythe"

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Drawing-slim

So you suggesting I2a dinarid and E-v13 is slave origin. Who were the masters then?! J2 and R1b?
Your logic is very weird but intruging. So If they were slaves why would slaves occupy the most fertile lands in all of europe not only balkan peninsula, E-v13 permanently occupying Dardania/kosovo the most fertile richest valley in balkans while on the other side I2a dinaric occupies bosnia criatia, the most fertile ladns in europe.
I dont understand?! Why dont the american slaves in USA dont occupy the best neighborhoods in the country, or england, or france?!

---

I don't know what haplogroup is slavic. I don't think haplogropus can be linked to ethnicities, especially ethnicities created after Christ.

However, the facts are these:
* The people that founded the ancient cities had slaves. No doubt about that.
* (Maybe) there were slaves brought from north (I don't think so), but there is no doubt that there were slaves brought from the south, from Africa and Middle East. E1b (and all its derivations) is the first candidate for being linked to those slaves, because most of E1b carriers are still in Africa.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sokoli

I don't know what haplogroup is slavic. I don't think haplogropus can be linked to ethnicities, especially ethnicities created after Christ.

However, the facts are these:
* The people that founded the ancient cities had slaves. No doubt about that.
* (Maybe) there were slaves brought from north (I don't think so), but there is no doubt that there were slaves brought from the south, from Africa and Middle East. E1b (and all its derivations) is the first candidate for being linked to those slaves, because most of E1b carriers are still in Africa.

---

lets agree for the sake of the argument.. so who is the "master" haplogroup in the Balkans then?! Lets say they came with slaves, when how? It has to be 14k years ago. You still cant explain to me why would they occupy the best lands in the balkans today?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Drawing-slim

lets agree for the sake of the argument.. so who is the "master" haplogroup in the Balkans then?! Lets say they came with slaves, when how? It has to be 14k years ago. You still cant explain to me why would they occupy the best lands in the balkans today?

---

Ev 13 is just the result of genetic drift and bottle neck etc Same shit with i2a, it's distribution in Bosnia etc is a founder effect but neither are from slaves lol.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Drawing-slim

lets agree for the sake of the argument.. so who is the "master" haplogroup in the Balkans then?! Lets say they came with slaves, when how? It has to be 14k years ago. You still cant explain to me why would they occupy the best lands in the balkans today?

---

Haplogroups are DNA fragments taken from only sexual chromosomes. The whole point of haplogrops is to provide a way to escape from the genetic bounds of ethnicity, which is DNA analysis of all chromosomes or autosomal DNA, and build a genetic tree that at its root unifies all races.

However in the case of E1b and its derivatives, given that the overwhelming majority of its carriers are still in Africa and only a small fraction is found around the area that was the epicenter of ancient empires, it's almost safe to say that it has been brought with slaves. There is no better explanation than this.