In Arabia, J1c3 has extreme high frequency and low haplotype diversity. Furthermore, there is a significant lack of J1 type diversity in Arabia. No academic continues to support a J1 origin in Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdealUral
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In Arabia, J1c3 has extreme high frequency and low haplotype diversity. Furthermore, there is a significant lack of J1 type diversity in Arabia. No academic continues to support a J1 origin in Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdealUral
Just 23andme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Transhumanist
It's highly unlikely that ancient Phoenicians would have had J1 other than as admixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
Modern Lebanese have it by way of the Arab conquest.
Well, I'm not sure about that, but probably we will know when they analysed actual Phoenician remains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chateaubriand
I think they will find J1, but ok, that's my opinion based on the facts I know and intuition added to that, proof means testing.
Dienekes made this statement, I believe, for the first time, after the Balanovsky paper referred to above was published last month. He made a similar statement yesterday, on another forum (attachment). It was with regard to the origin of R-M269. If this is indeed correct, at least some types of J1 (among other hg types) may have accompanied R-M269 as it spread west. These migrations may also help to explain some of the autosomal components now observed in Europeans, in modest, low, or nearly negligible amounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Transhumanist
Dodecad v3 West Asian Populations (principally):
The highest frequencies (and haplotype diversity) of R-M269 in the Near East are found in Armenians, Assyrians, and NW Iranians. This is a relatively small area, with its center in the neighborhood of Lake Urmia, Iran.Code:POP East_E West_Eu Medit Neo_Af West_A So_Asi No_Asi Se_Asi E_Afri Sw_Asia Nw_Afri Pal_Af
GEO 4.1 5 17 0 72.3 0.1 0.5 0.4 0 0.5 0.1 0
LEZ 3.8 24.3 1.1 0 64.6 2.6 1.8 0.4 0 1.3 0 0
ADY 6.7 15.7 8.3 0 62.9 0.4 3.1 2.4 0 0.4 0.1 0
ARM 0.8 2.1 29 0 54 1.6 0.1 0.1 0.1 12.2 0.1 0
ASY 0.3 0.7 26.3 0 50.6 2.2 0.1 0.2 0 19.4 0 0
IRN 3.9 6 15.4 0.2 49.3 9.8 2 1.5 0.1 11.7 0.1 0
TUR 5.6 5.9 29.4 0.3 42.7 1.9 2.4 2.5 0.5 8.4 0.4 0.1
Not a spoiler per se, but a bit of extra, perhaps unnecessary detail, regarding Lake Urmia:
Spoiler!
I wonder what's the phenotype of Phoenicians?
Mostly Eastmediterranid I'd assume, with Armenoid, Alpinoid and Arabid tendencies. Pretty much like the old residents there today.
So you admit that you were speculating with no bases whatsoever (read, bullshitting)Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
You mean you hope? Still as admixture, more or less.Quote:
I think they will find J1, but ok, that's my opinion based on the facts I know and intuition added to that, proof means testing.
sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
All Semites show J1, J1 was present in the region early on, so it is not "based on nothing", but rather the most likely scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chateaubriand
But the final proof can only be a tested historic sample, because even if J1 would be present where they were, you can't be sure they actually spread it in the region X before you haven't tested THEIR REMAINS and probably compared those with the pre-Phoenician inhabitants.
Of course you're never sure of anything yet you always speculate about everything you don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
Why should anyone believe that you're not the biggest internet bullshitter?
Intuition and facts are two very different things. Can't you get that much?Quote:
I think they will find J1, but ok, that's my opinion based on the facts I know and intuition added to that, proof means testing.