Iron Age Croatia ?

"sample": "Custom:Feodora_scaled",
"fit": 2.8411,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 62.5,
"HRV_MBA": 30.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 6.67,

Fit did not improve, remain the same . I would say Roman input is insignificant. What do you think ?

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Bronze age Dalmatian posted below. Roman/Italian samples found so far are close to Sicilians, so such an admix would bring locals far to the south/east.

https://i.imgur.com/l3vQ8Wu.png

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My mixed mode Oracle on Eurogenes K13

58.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.2% North_Italian @ 3.88

:o

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Bronze age Dalmatian posted below. Roman/Italian samples found so far are close to Sicilians, so such an admix would bring locals far to the south/east.

https://i.imgur.com/l3vQ8Wu.png

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Avars from Szolad are closest to Belorussians, Poles and Estonians than to Belgorod so Roman input is possible:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...y)-on-GEDmatch

Also there's a cline from Slovenia all the way down to Albania/Greece, there's no cline with Northern Italy.

A couple of models for Croatia and Bulgaria, interestingly both "Roman" and paleo-Balkan input seem to be in the same proportions:

"sample": "Croatian:Average",
"fit": 1.2585,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 74.17,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 15,
"HRV_Early_IA": 10.83,

"sample": "Bulgarian:Average",
"fit": 1.4604,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 48.33,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 30,
"BGR_IA": 21.67,

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Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

Avars from Szolad are closest to Belorussians, Poles and Estonian than to Belgorod so Roman input is possible:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...y)-on-GEDmatch

Also there's a cline from Slovenia all the way down to Albania/Greece, there's no cline with Northern Italy.

A couple of models for Croatia and Bulgaria, interestingly both "Roman" and paleo-Balkan input seems to be in the same proportions:

"sample": "Croatian:Average",
"fit": 1.2585,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 74.17,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 15,
"HRV_Early_IA": 10.83,

"sample": "Bulgarian:Average",
"fit": 1.4604,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 48.33,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 30,
"BGR_IA": 21.67,

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Wow, you get fantastic fit using this model. Slavic input in us is very high if this is right model.
I will try model myself the same, because it rejected Iron Age sample for me in earlier run with Szolad.

"sample": "Custom:Feodora_scaled",

"fit": 3.3016,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 72.5,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 20.83,
"HRV_Early_IA": 6.67,

Yeah, bad fit for me, worsened compared to this one:

"fit": 2.9161,

"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 60.83,
"HRV_MBA": 39.17,

I don't know the reason. Looks like I am less Slavic and less Roman than average Croat, but more simplistic Slavo-Illyrian mix 60:40 ?
Not sure I understand this too well.

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Originally Posted by Vid Flumina

Avars from Szolad are closest to Belorussians, Poles and Estonian than to Belgorod so Roman input is possible:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...y)-on-GEDmatch

Also there's a cline from Slovenia all the way down to Albania/Greece, there's no cline with Northern Italy.

A couple of models for Croatia and Bulgaria, interestingly both "Roman" and paleo-Balkan input seem to be in the same proportions:

"sample": "Croatian:Average",
"fit": 1.2585,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 74.17,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 15,
"HRV_Early_IA": 10.83,

"sample": "Bulgarian:Average",
"fit": 1.4604,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 48.33,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 30,
"BGR_IA": 21.67,

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Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I tried this for Slovenia and got an even closer fit:
"sample": "Slovenian:Average",
"fit": 1.2497,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 74.17,
"HRV_Early_IA": 15.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 10,

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Originally Posted by Alenka

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I tried this for Slovenia and got an even closer fit:
"sample": "Slovenian:Average",
"fit": 1.2497,
"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 74.17,
"HRV_Early_IA": 15.83,
"ITA_Collegno_MA_o1": 10,

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Very cool, these models make lot of sense and fit is great. Not for me, but for average people indeed.

Average Slovenian/Croatian is almost the same with those samples. Average Croatian sample is obviously based off Kajkavian Croats.

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Average Slovenian/Croatian is almost the same with those samples. Average Croatian sample is obviously based off Kajkavian Croats.

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It's from Zagreb most likely and that's logical since biggest amount of Croats live there.
I don't think it's pure Kajkavian tho because I am very close to it, only bit more east and even less more south, cloeser to that than Ph2ter is who is Kajkavian. (I think)

But again, he cluster more north than average Slovenes.

https://i.imgur.com/6Oe6Tnr.png

I am extremely close to Croatian G25 average, and Slovenian is little more north.
It shows Croats are genetically pretty homogenous I guess, since I am almost entirely southern in ancestry.