Origin of I2-din. Slavic, Paleo-Balkan or?

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

Do you see me posting on Arab forums?

Imagine me discussing if some Arabic tribe is that or that or if some Arab tribe should own the land of some other tribe?

We are NOT slavs.

I DO NOT HATE being Slav.

Our Politicians and Religious institutions unanimously agree we are NOT Slavs.

Our President said: We are Celts, Illyrians mixed with Slavs, that's not Slavs.

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Orwellian double speak at it's finest.

It's the apex Slavic haplogroup

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Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean

Stears, don't be so salty all the time; anyone can read up on the subject matter. Why would you match an ancient sample closely to begin with? Your logic is conjecture.

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Prasac crta.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Sinan, if I2-din is not Slavic by origin, why are there 6.5 milion Russians and 4.5 milion Ukrainians with that haplogroup?

https://i.imgur.com/3rGwa1s.png


There are more people with this haplogroup in Ukraine only, than in whole ex-Yugoslavia.

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Why is I2a-Din the largest I clade in Germany? People move around, Hunter Gatherers spread out all over following Deer, Bears, Bison and Salmon. Ukraine was a perfect refuge for hunting and fishing. You can find the mostly British and German clades of I2 in Romania, but the earliest person from the clade found is in Poland. People move around is the simple answer.

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Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean

Why is I2a-Din the largest I clade in Germany? People move around, Hunter Gatherers spread out all over following Deer, Bears, Bison and Salmon. Ukraine was a perfect refuge for hunting and fishing. You can find the mostly British and German clades of I2 in Romania, but the earliest person from the clade found is in Poland. People move around is the simple answer.

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I1 is largest I clade in Germany, clown. I2 din has extremely low frequency mostly among Slavic descended Germans except most basal clades.

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Originally Posted by Kamal900

It doesn't exist anywhere in the middle east or north africa, and yes, it is Slavic since it originated in what is now Ukraine and so on not so long ago which geneticists use it as a proxy of Slavic male migrants to the balkans at the early middle ages which Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs and other Southern Slavs have high frequency of such haplogroup and clade. It's not only R1a that ancient Slavs belong to btw.

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No it hasn't - it originated in what is now France.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Sinan, if I2-din is not Slavic by origin, why are there 6.5 milion Russians and 4.5 milion Ukrainians with that haplogroup?

https://i.imgur.com/3rGwa1s.png


There are more people with this haplogroup in Ukraine only, than in whole ex-Yugoslavia.

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I2 ranges from 5% in Northern Russians to 15% in Southern Russians. Approximately of course.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

No it hasn't - it originated in what is now France.

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No. Basal I2-din clades are all in SW Germany.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

No. Basal I2-din clades are all in SW Germany.

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OK - but thats not what y-full says.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

OK - but thats not what y-full says.

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Yes, it does. French sample is ethnic German from Alsace. Other basal clades are all in Baden Wuttenberg.