NEW paper on old Magyars!

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Originally Posted by blogen

The whole Turkic tales are bullshit only.

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Literally every study that's been posted proves you wrong. You don't need to say 100% of Hungarians arriving had it; surely some people could have been picked up along the way for whatever reason, and they were only Turkic culturally. This is a theoretical possibility. But the majority of Magyars arriving did have it, and each study that is shown illustrates this more and more. Even Blondie's posts contain it. The argument isn't about if they had it, it's now about how much they had. That's it.



Autosomal as fist wave Uyghur-Like and Slavic (Polish)-Like, and second wave of Turkish-Like and Germanic (Austrian/German)-Like:

https://i.imgur.com/hVnS0rn.png

https://i.imgur.com/b9lD7Rq.png

https://i.imgur.com/UKpmGH0.png

Clustering Data:

https://i.imgur.com/0LoHovj.jpg


mtDNA of Conquering Hungarians:

https://i.imgur.com/B7EVfCy.png

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...07.13.200154v1



More support for Ugric/Uralic oldest base of Hungarians.

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Really?

Seems like more info about possible Turkic-Euro mixes with some occasional Uralic components, at best.

From the study:

Earlier mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) studies of modern populations speaking Uralic languages 101 suggest that the distribution of Eastern and Western Eurasian mtDNA lineages are determined 102 by geographic distances rather than linguistic barriers 18–20, e.g. Finno-Ugric populations from 103 Volga-Ural region seem to be more similar to their Turkic neighbours than to linguistically 104 related Balto-Finnish ethnic groups 18. The recent study of 15 Uralic-speaking populations 105 describes their similarities to neighbouring populations as well, however they also share genetic106component of possibly Siberian origin 21. In spite of the unambiguously Central-European107characteristics in mtDNA makeup 12,22, this statement also can be applied to modern day108Hungarians23.


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Seven samples of Uyelgi 342 site most probably belong to N-Y24365 (also known as N-B545 and N1a1a1a1a2a1c2 in 343 ISOGG 14.255) under N-Z1936, a specific subclade that can be found almost exclusively in 344 todays’ Tatarstan, Bashkortostan and Hungary (ISOGG, Yfull).

https://i.imgur.com/gloEXAG.png
https://i.imgur.com/U4A5GAi.png

From bit older peper:

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A group of people consisting of a Turkic (R-SUR51) component and a Finno-Ugric (N-B539) component left the Volga Ural region about 2000 years ago and started a migration that eventually culminated in settlement in the Carpathian Basin".

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All studies of old Hungarian genetics put togheder:

http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794...raczki_PhD.pdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5
https://link.springer.com/article/10...20-019-00996-0
https://link.springer.com/article/10...520-018-0609-7
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...07.13.200154v1

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Originally Posted by Turul Karom

Really?

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Please. I see you didn't give thumbs up, because it doesn't fit with your Turkic ideology? Paper clearly states Hungarians and their language originated in Urals and Finno-Ugric territory, nothing to do with Turks.
Turkic input with undoubtedly happened came later.

You claimed original Hungarians were Turks. They were not, deal with it.

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Originally Posted by blogen

Please! We had nothing to do with the Turkic peoples. We have only some loanwords and nothing more. No significant cultural contacts, no significant presence in the Magyar ethnogenesis, nothing. We are Uralic origin peoples with very significant Iranic, significant Slavic admixture with some Germanic influx. Basically this was the Hungarian ethnogenesis.

The whole Turkic tales are bullshit only.

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A proof through genetics:
https://media.springernature.com/ful..._Fig2_HTML.png

through history:
“ΓΕΩΒΙΤΖΑϹ ΠΙΣΤΟϹ ΚΡΑΛΗϹ ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑϹ"
https://i.imgur.com/DMopR6b.jpg

through religion: Tengrism itself

through culture: The Eurasian nomadic (steppe) culture. Also Gesta Hungarorum and Gesta Hunnorum et Hungarorum mention early Magyar traditions which also existed among Turkics

You accept Iranic influences but deny Turkic admixture... That’s really weird. Who brought Iranic touches to Magyars in your opinion? Does “Amu Derya” remind you anything, that allowed Northerners (guess who) meet Iranics maybe?

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...-hungarian.jpg

Autosomally Magyars cluster with Siberian Tatars and easternmost Bashkirs.

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Originally Posted by Amon

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...-hungarian.jpg

Autosomally Magyars cluster with Siberian Tatars and easternmost Bashkirs.

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Guess who else clusters with Siberian Tatars and Bashkirs: Proto-Turks.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Please. I see you didn't give thumbs up, because it doesn't fit with your Turkic ideology? Paper clearly states Hungarians and their language originated in Urals and Finno-Ugric territory, nothing to do with Turks.
Turkic input with undoubtedly happened came later.

You claimed original Hungarians were Turks. They were not, deal with it.

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Hello, Stears.

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Originally Posted by Turul Karom

Hello, Stears.

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Amon

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...-hungarian.jpg

Autosomally Magyars cluster with Siberian Tatars and easternmost Bashkirs.

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Hungarian Conquerors are not original Magyars. They appeared thousands of years later after absorbing different steppe folk.