The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2,000-year archeogenomic time transect

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Originally Posted by Token

They were very similar based on the available samples, and the new ones will likely not be any different. There is a layer of toponyms in Etruscan territory which made some linguists suggest that Etruscan may have entered Italy after Italics. Maybe the Etruscans were just Italic language-shifters? The relationship between Alpine Rhaetian and Etruscan on one hand and Lemnian and Etruscan on the other is quite puzzling. Either Etruscan came to Italy from the Aegean (the most accepted hypothesis) or vice-versa.

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I guess they could've become the Basques of Italy. Too bad they didn't survive.

There is a blog with interesting resources asserting that the origin of the Etruscan is from the Pelasgians, a branch of Scythians and they were non-IE:

https://tarihvearkeoloji.blogspot.co...etruscans.html

What pushed so many west asians to settle in italy during the imperial era ? Also weren't some roman authors complaining about the massive presence of levantines in Italy ? (if someone got the source please post it)

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Originally Posted by Leto

All I was gonna say is that the Steppe played a defining role in the formation of modern Europe. "White" may be subjective and not always precise but usually people understand what it means, some just prefer to obfuscate it for whatever reason. When it's necessary white is a real thing, when it's inconvenient it becomes an imaginary one. We all know that game all too well.

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They played that role too in many different regions outside of Europe

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Originally Posted by Hamilcar

What pushed so many west asians to settle in italy during the imperial era ? Also weren't some roman authors complaining about the massive presence of levantines in Italy ? (if someone got the source please post it)

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Because Italy was the center of the Empire, so logically, people were moving to the center.
The same you can ask, why so many people live in Moscow, New York or London and neighbouhoods.

Italy at the time had at least 6,000,000 people. The city of Rome had 1,000,000. Most people
were getting into the city and close areas. Only this fact could shaped the demography of all
penninsula. Italy, with Cisalpinia, is not so huge country, in addition she's quite closed by the
mountains and sea. So, what goes there usually remains and spread among the whole area.

Another source of foreigners were slaves, who only in Italy (before the Imperial era had even
started) contained 20%. Later, in Imperial times, this figure was twice higher, close to 50%.

So you have an answer.

Who gives a fuck what language they spoke? Did Etruscans have E-V13 or not?

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Originally Posted by Rethel

Because Italy was the center of the Empire, so logically, people were moving to the center.
The same you can ask, why so many people live in Moscow, New York or London and neighbouhoods.

Italy at the time has at least 6,000,000 people. The city of Rome had 1,000,000. Most people
were getting into the city and close areas. Only this fact could shaped the demography of all
penninsula. Italy, with Cisalpinia, is not so huge country, in addition she's quite closed by the
mountains and sea. So, what goes there usually remains and spread among the whole area.

Another source of foreigners were slaves, who only in Italy (before the Imperial era had even
started) contained 20%. Later, in Imperial times, this figure was twice higher, close to 50%.

So you have an answer.

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That doesn't really resolve the problem because I hope you're at least aware that the roman empire wasn't only about italy and west asia. Also I don't see why would most slaves be levantines while most battles were fought along the northern limes.

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Originally Posted by Hamilcar

That doesn't really resolve the problem because I hope you're at least aware that the roman empire wasn't only about italy and west asia. Also I don't see why would most slaves be levantines while most battles were fought along the northern limes.

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Because the slavery was much, much more common there, and, the population of the East
was unpropotionaly higher and, more important, more dense, that this which was on the West.

And btw, dominate genes do not even have to be in majority to dominate over recessive ones.

And you should also add to all of that local pre-indoeuropean people, plus local preindoeuropean part from
such countries like Spain and Gaul, which also was present even among the people moving from the West.

Plus add to this people, who migrated in later centuries — through 500 years of existance of the Empire
people were constantly coming to Italy, and even later. Probably many people moved to Italy also when
muslims conquered Africa and Near East, and later Anatolia and Balkans.

Eto Russkiye - eot

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Originally Posted by Token

That blond and red hair come from Indo-Europeans is hardly debatable. The earliest carriers of the presently most prevalent red hair genes all come from IE steppe cultures. The earliest blond individual is the fully ANE Afontova Gora 3 from southern Siberia.

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Indo europeans?
Red hair and blonde hair existed way before indo europeans.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...282b1ee30f.jpg
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