G25 - Ancient and Medieval World (Tautalus)

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Originally Posted by Katarzyna

Same problem with me. I don’t get any Germanic although it is actually around 20% in me (as well as in all other medieval calcs). I tested that calc on other Poles with similar genetical results to mine and it wasn’t accurate for them either

Edit: hahaha! Mariusz posted the same thing simultaneously. And we did that independently from each other xD

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Maybe your Germanic is hidden in any of those many outlier samples that Euroafricanid spoke about.

Maybe the model works well for the OP known ancestry and thought it will work fine for everybody, but at least for me it´s not a good medieval calculator.

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Originally Posted by mariusz99

I always score 20-25% Germanic but this time 0. Weird

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Don't worry, Czech Early Slavic samples are partially Celto-Germanic

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Originally Posted by Katarzyna

Same problem with me. I don’t get any Germanic although it is actually around 20% in me

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It's accurate, it's just Early Slavic samples weren't all the same and some were admixed with Celtic, Germanic and Roman people. It depends on what we consider to be Slavic, probably these admixed Czech Early Slavs still were considered Slavic, even though not being genetically pure Eastern European.

But you should be happy having such results.

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Originally Posted by Gallop

Target: Gallop_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.4420% / 0.00442014
20.6 Celtiberian
17.0 Etruscan
12.6 Iberian
11.4 Celtic_Islanders
8.8 Baleares_Antiquity
6.0 Numidian
4.8 Ancient_North_Caucasus
3.4 Sardinia_Antiquity
3.0 Sarmatian
2.8 Germanic_Medieval
2.2 Gaul
2.2 Tartessian
1.2 Egyptian
0.8 Bronze_Age_Irland
0.8 Ethiopian_Highlands
0.8 Siberian
0.8 Western_Atlas_Berber
0.2 Celto-Ligurian
0.2 Illyrian
0.2 Siculi
0.2 Turkic_medieval

Target: Gallop_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.6109% / 0.00610912 | ADC: 0.25x RC
34.2 Celtiberian
14.8 Iberian
14.0 Tartessian
10.4 Gaul
6.6 Etruscan
3.8 Sarmatian
2.8 Arabian
2.8 Illyrian
2.8 Western_Atlas_Berber
1.8 Crimean
1.2 Ancient_North_Pakistan
1.0 Ancient_South_Caucasus
0.8 Baleares_Antiquity
0.8 Germanic_Medieval
0.6 Egyptian
0.6 Sardinia_Antiquity
0.4 Berber_south_Tunisia
0.4 Celtic_Islanders
0.2 Ancient_South_Levant

Target: Gallop_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.9045% / 0.00904494 | ADC: 0.5x RC
68.2 Celtiberian
12.0 Gaul
7.8 Etruscan
7.2 Sardinia_Antiquity
4.8 Arabian

Target: Gallop_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 1.8216% / 0.01821600 | ADC: 1x RC
100.0 Etruscan


Target: Father_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.6531% / 0.00653062
21.2 Celtiberian
13.4 Etruscan
9.8 Baleares_Antiquity
7.0 Celtic_Islanders
6.2 Slavic
5.8 Sardinia_Antiquity
5.4 Western_Atlas_Berber
4.4 Celto-Ligurian
3.0 Baltic
3.0 Gaul
2.8 Viking_Sweden
2.6 Viking_Norway
1.8 Daunian
1.4 Egyptian
1.4 Thracian
1.2 Minoan
1.2 Siculi
1.0 Bronze_Age_Irland
1.0 Finland_Ia
1.0 Slavic_Russia
0.8 Numidian
0.8 Sarmatian
0.6 Anatolian_Late_Antiquity
0.6 Berber_south_Tunisia
0.6 Illyrian
0.4 Ancient_North_Caucasus
0.4 Beringian
0.4 Mozabites
0.4 Tuaregs
0.2 Phoenician
0.2 Siberian

Target: Father_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.7299% / 0.00729884 | ADC: 0.25x RC
32.2 Celtiberian
26.2 Baleares_Antiquity
13.0 Etruscan
7.8 Picentini
5.4 Slavic
4.8 Berber_south_Tunisia
2.6 Sardinia_Antiquity
1.6 Finland_Ia
1.6 Sarmatian
1.4 Arabian
1.0 Turkic_medieval
0.8 Iberian
0.8 Tuaregs
0.4 Ancient_North_Pakistan
0.2 Esan
0.2 Sogdiane

Target: Father_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 0.9074% / 0.00907396 | ADC: 0.5x RC
30.6 Slavic
27.8 Etruscan
26.0 Celtiberian
6.6 Western_Atlas_Berber
4.6 Sardinia_Antiquity
4.4 Baleares_Antiquity

Target: Father_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 1.9727% / 0.01972700 | ADC: 1x RC
100.0 Celtiberian


I have travelled so many roads and endured the world so many times on my weary shoulders that even 0.50 did not simplify.

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Interesting that you're going with Chebyshev, I still am not sure about it... but these are my results with it:

Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Chebyshev distance: 0.9948% / 0.00994800 | ADC: 1x RC
100.0 Illyrian


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Chebyshev distance: 0.6802% / 0.00680194 | R5P | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.6 Illyrian
18.2 Celtiberian
6.8 Egyptian
2.4 Phoenician



Target: Eurafricanid-SSA
Chebyshev distance: 1.2839% / 0.01283872 | R5P | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.0 Bambaras
45.8 Esan
3.2 Ethiopian_Highlands


Target: Eurafricanid-SSA
Chebyshev distance: 1.2866% / 0.01286600 | ADC: 1x RC
100.0 Bambaras


It seems a bit northern/eastern-shifted, though.

Compare to my normal (euclidean)
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.4252% / 0.02425232 | ADC: 2x RC
50.4 Illyrian
49.6 Etruscan

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Originally Posted by Abriekman

Don't worry, Czech Early Slavic samples are partially Celto-Germanic



It's accurate, it's just some Early Slavic samples weren't all the same and some were admixed with Celtic, Germanic and Roman people. It depends on what we consider to be Slavic, probably these admixed Czech Early Slavs still were considered Slavic, even though not being genetically pure Eastern European.

But you should be happy having such results.

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If this is accurate it should be accurate for everybody and I am not Etruscan.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

I am not Etruscan.

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Maybe you are. I do not know much about Spaniards' genetics but aren't you partially Roman?

And you got only 12%, you shouldn't be so bothered by it

Target: DanjojoSIM
Distance: 0.6142% / 0.00614153 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.0 Slavic
25.8 Germanic_Medieval
10.4 Gaul
8.8 Celtic_Islanders
7.0 Picentini
5.4 Slavic_Russia
4.6 Baltic

Target: DanjojoSIM
Distance: 0.6142% / 0.00614153 | ADC: 0.25x RC
25.4 Slavic:Czechia_Early_Medieval_Pohansko_Early_Slav
12.6 Slavic:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Avar_Period
11.6 Germanic_Medieval:Italy_Medieval_Villa_Magna_(Germ an_Profile)
10.6 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse_Baiuvaric
10.4 Gaul:Czechia_IA_La_Tene_(Northwest_Euro_Profile)
8.8 Celtic_Islanders:England_LIA_o
7.0 Picentini:Italy_Proto-Villanovan_Abruzzo
5.4 Slavic_Russia:Russia_Medieval_Vladimir_Sunghir
4.6 Baltic:Estonia_Medieval_o
2.0 Germanic_Medieval:Italy_Medieval_Rome_(German_Prof ile)
1.6 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Straubing_Bajuw arenstrasse_Baiuvaric
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Target: DanjojoSIM
Distance: 0.6909% / 0.00690882 | R3P
48.6 Slavic
34.2 Germanic_Medieval
17.2 Celtic_Islanders

Target: DanjojoSIM
Distance: 0.5820% / 0.00581979 | R4P
47.8 Slavic
22.6 Celtic_Islanders
20.6 Germanic_Medieval
9.0 Thracian

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Originally Posted by Abriekman

Maybe you are. I do not know much about Spaniards' genetics but aren't you partially Roman?

And you got only 12%, you shouldn't be so bothered by it

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What can bother me is not any % of any result but the reference selection.

Do you think that a calculator with 21 outliers and 1 contaminated sample can be accurate?

Code:

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Ancient_North_Pakistan:Loebanr_IA_o,0.08651,0.04265,-0.05506,0.06751,-0.05817,0.0343,0.00188,-0.00508,-0.03088,-0.03317,0.00357,-0.00165,-0.00178,-0.01762,0.01954,0.0305,0.00639,0.00367,-0.00993,-0.02101,-0.00636,-0.00767,0.00838,-0.00072,0.004071
Ancient_South_Levant:Israel_MLBA_Megiddo_o1,0.09789,0.13557,-0.02734,-0.03182,-0.02677,-0.00683,0.004,-0.00681,-0.0224,-0.00574,0.01007,-0.00734,0.01702,0.00434,-0.0036,-0.00497,-0.01793,0.01096,0.00867,0.00582,-0.00374,0.00377,-0.00376,-0.00337,-0.002515
Ancient_South_Levant:Israel_MLBA_Megiddo_o2,0.10358,0.10968,-0.03243,-0.00129,-0.02308,-0.00948,0.00494,-0.01177,-0.02863,-0.01312,0.00617,-0.00779,0.00357,-0.01307,0.019,0.0118,-0.00209,0.00659,0.01886,0.0035,-0.00674,0.01447,0.00148,-0.00036,-0.001437
Baltic:Estonia_Medieval_o,0.13773,0.12999,0.05431,0.04974,0.04339,0.00279,-0.00776,0.00669,0.01125,0.02187,0.00828,0.0015,-0.01145,-0.01954,0.00461,0.01405,0.00391,-0.00519,0.0093,-0.00075,0.01123,0.0162,-0.01467,0.02049,-0.010179
Bengal:Bengali_Bangladesh_o1,0.03688,-0.10744,-0.17785,0.13366,-0.07546,0.07006,-0.004,0.01615,0.06532,0.03871,-0.00766,0.00051,-0.00089,0.00355,-0.0111,-0.01021,0.00973,-0.00071,-0.00312,0.01151,0.0019,0.00082,0.00108,0.00788,-0.0049814
Bengal:Bengali_Bangladesh_o2,0.04325,-0.07515,-0.14406,0.10853,-0.06063,0.05327,-0.00353,0.00808,0.03272,0.02952,-0.00276,0.00075,-0.00461,0.00206,-0.00529,-0.00835,0.00183,-0.00076,-0.00201,0.0025,0.00212,0.00124,0.0016,0.00181,-0.00455
Celtic_Islanders:England_LBA_o,0.12703,0.13832,0.058,0.0303,0.03613,0.01054,-0.00052,0.00051,0.01088,0.01021,-0.00201,0.00665,-0.01501,-0.01018,0.01759,0.00101,-0.00772,0.00056,0.00013,0.00055,0.00676,0.0065,-0.00357,0.00429,-0.0019636
Celtic_Islanders:England_LIA_o,0.12862,0.13913,0.06336,0.03036,0.04678,0.0159,-0.00165,0.00854,0.01329,0.02697,-0.00081,0.01049,-0.01858,-0.0095,0.01303,0.00676,-0.00235,-0.00342,0.00201,-0.005,0.00187,0.00309,0.00259,-0.0041,0.000479
Celtic_Islanders:England_MBA_o1,0.12862,0.13811,0.05921,0.03618,0.04062,0.00948,0,0.00323,0.00511,0.00857,0.00179,0.01124,-0.011,-0.02188,0.01792,0.00464,-0.00391,0.00266,-0.00163,0.00138,0.00549,0.00705,0.00234,0.00145,-0.005029
Celtic_Islanders:England_MBA_o2,0.13204,0.14116,0.05053,0.01809,0.05016,0.00167,-0.00141,0.00046,0.02229,0.03226,0.00065,0.00615,-0.01502,-0.02064,0.00719,0.00345,0.00769,-0.00152,0.00163,-0.00113,-0.00374,0.00037,-0.00086,-0.00157,-0.000479
Egyptian:Egypt_Hellenistic_(contaminated),0.04098,0.15944,-0.05544,-0.10207,0,-0.0608,-0.02327,-0.00831,0.04847,0.00747,0.01543,-0.01978,0.03434,-0.00413,0.00475,-0.01565,-0.02412,0.00735,-0.00503,-0.00025,-0.00462,0.00829,-0.01257,0.0053,-0.005987
Finland_Ia:Finland_IA_Levanluhta_o,0.1309,0.12694,0.07769,0.07526,0.04339,0.02371,-0.00071,0.01062,0.00655,-0.00583,-0.0026,0.00285,-0.01234,-0.01404,0.02647,0.01551,-0.00404,0.00215,0.00541,0.01213,0.01285,0.00594,-0.00247,0.01097,0.002874
Gaul:Czechia_EIA_Hallstatt_Bylany_o1,0.13204,0.15233,0.04827,0.00388,0.05416,-0.0053,0.00141,0.006,0.01575,0.03189,-0.0039,0.00465,-0.0061,-0.00165,-0.0076,0.00239,0.00456,0.00735,0.01094,-0.00325,0.00225,-0.00062,-0.00382,-0.01109,0.002395
Gaul:Czechia_EIA_Hallstatt_Bylany_o2,0.12748,0.12948,0.07146,0.04538,0.05478,0.01102,0.00564,0.00612,0.01278,0.00629,-0.00958,-0.00757,-0.00335,0.00248,0.00808,0.0063,0.00163,0.00241,0.00383,0.0065,-0.00025,0.00093,-0.00271,-0.00988,-0.0001195
Latin:Italy_IA_Italic_Lazio_o,0.10586,0.14217,-0.01169,-0.06428,0.00677,-0.02092,0.00517,-0.00415,0.0043,0.01421,0.00828,0.00704,-0.00714,0.00784,-0.00095,-0.01326,-0.0176,-0.00317,0.01332,-0.00413,-0.00487,-0.00841,0.00012,-0.00542,0.004431
Oxus_civilisation:Gonur_Tepe_BA_o1,0.09334,0.03758,-0.03884,0.09948,-0.0991,0.03681,-0.00212,-0.01038,-0.06136,-0.06196,0.00812,-0.0018,0.00758,-0.03399,0.02416,0.01339,-0.01486,-0.00329,0.0083,-0.01526,-0.00487,0.00606,0.00641,-0.00169,0.004071
Oxus_civilisation:Gonur_Tepe_BA_o2,0.09561,0.08734,-0.09881,-0.02358,-0.08063,0.00502,0.00658,-0.00208,-0.04377,-0.02078,-0.0125,-0.00105,-0.01279,-0.01349,0.01357,0.02135,0.00391,0.00557,-0.01772,-0.01263,-0.00349,-0.01385,-0.01122,-0.00844,0.025507
Papuan:Papuan_Coastal_o,-0.01935,-0.3595,-0.1384,0.0801,0.17449,-0.17347,-0.01269,-0.00992,-0.03538,-0.01221,0.03313,0.00749,-0.00862,0.00881,0.00285,0.00424,-0.01278,0.00266,0.00603,-0.02051,0.00936,-0.01002,0.00629,-0.00578,-0.031973
Sogdiane:KAZ_Otyrar_Antiquity_o1,0.06943,-0.13811,0.00075,-0.01938,-0.04309,-0.00614,0.01175,0.01177,-0.01186,-0.00036,-0.0164,-0.00315,0.00639,-0.00468,0.00204,0.00332,-0.0043,0.00038,0.00126,-0.00113,-0.0151,-0.00272,-0.00357,-0.00386,0.006227
Thracian:Scythian_IA_Moldova_o1,0.1161,0.09089,0.02395,0.01034,0.00569,0.00697,-0.00153,-0.00577,-0.01207,0.00456,-0.00089,0.00247,-0.01078,-0.00612,0.00285,0.01591,0.00952,0.00418,0.00742,0.00288,-0.00998,0.00532,0.00092,0.00663,-0.001138
Thracian:Scythian_IA_Moldova_o2,0.12976,0.131,0.06524,0.06331,0.03724,0.02008,0.00846,0.00346,0.00716,-0.00747,-0.00081,0.0024,-0.00773,-0.01115,0.01534,0.02453,0.01447,0.00127,-0.00151,0.00638,0.00699,0.00124,-0.00197,0.00108,0.008263
Turkic_medieval:Kazakhstan_Medieval_Turk_o,0.10699,0.05382,0.00264,0.04522,-0.02924,0.01646,-0.00071,0.00162,-0.03722,-0.02788,-0.00682,0.0033,0.0055,-0.02505,0.01425,0.02546,0.00926,-0.00342,-0.00666,-0.00438,-0.01098,0.00161,-0.00259,0.00133,0.005149

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Distance to: Turkic_medieval:Kazakhstan_Medieval_Turk_o
0.04516393 Pamiri_Rushan

Distance to: Thracian:Scythian_IA_Moldova_o2
0.03473120 Swedish

Distance to: Thracian:Scythian_IA_Moldova_o1
0.03692138 Turkish_Rumeli

Distance to: Sogdiane:KAZ_Otyrar_Antiquity_o1
0.03713667 Hazara

Distance to: Papuan:Papuan_Coastal_o
0.17336809 Bajo

Distance to: Oxus_civilisation:Gonur_Tepe_BA_o2
0.05457355 Iranian_Mazandarani

Distance to: Oxus_civilisation:Gonur_Tepe_BA_o1
0.08798092 Kalash

Distance to: Latin:Italy_IA_Italic_Lazio_o
0.03497477 Sephardic_Jew

Distance to: Gaul:Czechia_EIA_Hallstatt_Bylany_o2
0.03338487 German_Hamburg

Distance to: Gaul:Czechia_EIA_Hallstatt_Bylany_o1
0.03140694 Spanish_Catalunya_Central

Distance to: Finland_Ia:Finland_IA_Levanluhta_o
0.03045384 Norwegian

Distance to: Egyptian:Egypt_Hellenistic_(contaminated)
0.05517893 Yemenite_Dhamar

Distance to: Celtic_Islanders:England_MBA_o2
0.02396500 French_Auvergne

Distance to: Celtic_Islanders:England_MBA_o1
0.02057262 French_Brittany

Distance to: Celtic_Islanders:England_LIA_o
0.02803504 BelgianC

Distance to: Celtic_Islanders:England_LBA_o
0.01582838 BelgianA

Distance to: Bengal:Bengali_Bangladesh_o2
0.02300093 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_o

Distance to: Bengal:Bengali_Bangladesh_o1
0.01457593 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh

Distance to: Baltic:Estonia_Medieval_o
0.04640550 French_Brittany

Distance to: Ancient_South_Levant:Israel_MLBA_Megiddo_o2
0.04650302 Tat_Dagestan_Dzhalgan

Distance to: Ancient_South_Levant:Israel_MLBA_Megiddo_o1
0.04632369 Armenian_Artsakh

Distance to: Ancient_North_Pakistan:Loebanr_IA_o
0.04260436 Pamiri_Ishkashim

Target: Brad.DNAGenics.RSIDMerged.Official.G25
Distance: 1.4224% / 0.01422422 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC

34.6 Germanic_Medieval
30.8 Celtic_Islanders
15.4 Gaul
12.2 Sarmatian
7.0 Slavic

The one who made this calculator doesn't seem to even know how to read labels nor how to test the samples.

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02523949 Celtic_Islanders:England_LIA
0.02627940 Gaul:France_IA2_La_Tene_Grand_Est_(Northwest_Euro_ Profile)
0.02725859 Celtic_Islanders:England_MBA
0.02771634 Celtic_Islanders:England_LIA_East_Yorkshire
0.02843885 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse_Baiuvaric
0.02852585 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Altheim_Baiuvar ic
0.02895809 Gaul:Czechia_IA_La_Tene_(Northwest_Euro_Profile)
0.03048996 Viking_Sweden:Sweden_Viking_Age_Skara_(Norse_Profi le)
0.03089893 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Niederstotzinge n_Alemannic
0.03253921 Viking_Norway:Norway_South_Viking_Age_(Norse_Profi le)
0.03321435 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Altenerding-Klettham_Baiuvaric
0.03377568 Viking_Sweden:Sweden_Viking_Age_Gotland_(Norse_Pro file)
0.03382676 Celtic_Islanders:England_LIA_Gallic_Warrior
0.03427189 Bronze_Age_Irland:Ireland_EBA
0.03519489 Viking_Norway:Norway_Central_Viking_Age_(Norse_Pro file)
0.03532113 Celtic_Islanders:England_LBA_o
0.03586442 Celtic_Islanders:England_MBA_o1
0.03632893 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Burgweinting_Al emannic-Frankish
0.03963871 Gaul:Czechia_EIA_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.04261500 Viking_Denmark:Denmark_Viking_Age_Jutland_(Norse_P rofile)
0.04421221 Finland_Ia:Finland_IA_Levanluhta_o
0.04421932 Germanic_Medieval:Italy_Medieval_Rome_(German_Prof ile)
0.04640417 Gaul:France_IA2_La_Tene_Occitanie_(Northwest_Euro_ Profile)
0.04655270 Celtic_Islanders:England_LIA_o
0.04742288 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Straubing_Bajuw arenstrasse_Baiuvaric


Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.6817% / 0.01681727
34.6 Germanic_Medieval
30.8 Finland_Ia
18.8 Celtic_Islanders
7.0 Helladic_culture
4.4 Etruscan
3.2 Slavic
1.2 Sarmatian


Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.7177% / 0.01717697 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.8 Celtic_Islanders
38.6 Germanic_Medieval
8.4 Finland_Ia
5.2 Slavic


Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.6817% / 0.01681727
32.2 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Burgweinting_Al emannic-Frankish
30.8 Finland_Ia:Finland_IA_Levanluhta_o
10.4 Celtic_Islanders:England_MBA
7.8 Celtic_Islanders:England_LIA_o
7.0 Helladic_culture:Greece_MBA_Helladic_Logkas
4.4 Etruscan:Italy_IA_Etruscan_Civitavecchia
3.2 Slavic:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Avar_Period
2.4 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse_Baiuvaric
1.2 Sarmatian:Sarmatian_IA_Chumarovo
0.6 Celtic_Islanders:England_MBA_o2


Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.7177% / 0.01717697 | ADC: 0.25x RC
33.6 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Burgweinting_Al emannic-Frankish
25.8 Celtic_Islanders:England_LIA
11.8 Celtic_Islanders:England_LIA_o
10.2 Celtic_Islanders:England_MBA
8.4 Finland_Ia:Finland_IA_Levanluhta_o
5.2 Slavic:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Avar_Period
5.0 Germanic_Medieval:Germany_Medieval_Altheim_Baiuvar ic