Okay, I see. Thanks for explaining. When I first implied Anatolian, I actually meant Anatolian Turkish. Armenians are more closer to Eastern Anatolian, probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashina
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Okay, I see. Thanks for explaining. When I first implied Anatolian, I actually meant Anatolian Turkish. Armenians are more closer to Eastern Anatolian, probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashina
My first match in the Dodecad project are Turks followed by Armenians, and a lot of Anatolian Turks have similar results. It's fair to say that Armenians and Turks are genetically quite related.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turk1071
Viljuska, to give you an example of this, McDonald said the same about my results. This what I got when I send him my data for the first time:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashina
When I asked what the Spanish/Italian, Iranian etc. meant, he said this:Quote:
Your spot on the map is in very far northwestern Iran. You are close to, but not
in, the Turkish comparison population. The test says you are a mix of 60% Iranian, 15%
Siberian and the rest Italian-Spanish. This is bizarre, but the average is close to Turkey.
A test of "mixing age" says that any mixing is ancient ... well more than 10 generations.
The best indication is the rotating plot. You are off in the middle of nowhere, which
means that you are surely mixed populations ... but that other test says it was very old mixing.
When the rotating plot looks like you do, one simply has to trust the mathematical
workings.
You are, by far, the most interesting person I have seen using the v3 chip.
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What it means is that the way the test works, it computes what sort of set of people
it needs to "average out" the way you DNA is. What matters is the average. There are
two cases:
1) you come ancestors who have lived in roughly the same place for many generations.
But the program does not have that set of people (e.g. Germans or Navajos) as
a reference population. It selects a set of references that average out in that spot.
2) you are a mixture, recently, of reference populations (say Spain, Yoruba, and Maya for
somebody from Mexico.) Since these are reference populations, it will correctly calculate
what fraction of your ancestry comes from each.
If you are a recent mixture but the exact populations you come from are not
in the reference set, it will pick nearby ones, and then the percentages will
only be approximate.
You are likely case 1. The exact set of Turks it used is not exactly like you,
so it picked a close set as the major one (Iranians) and modified it by adding
in a bit of people from NE and west. In other words, your spot on the map to the NW
of Iran (since the amount of Mediterranean is larger than Siberian.
we are genetically related, but still i can easily spot an armenian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashina
We are also very close to north caucasian Adygei and south caucasian Georgian genetically due to the west asian admixture. But we don't look same.
http://i46.tinypic.com/2epk5c9.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/2efuzqo.jpg
We are by far closer to Armenians than to Northern Caucasians. Though, this isn't about phenotype. I was strictly speaking about genetics. Because when it comes to looks, I don't exactly look very Turkish either.
I can easily spot Armenians and Caucasians too. It`s probably because our mixture with them happened in very early stages (e.g. 800+ years ago?) and we lost our physical similarity with them anymore,Quote:
Originally Posted by Peçenek
For example, a Balkan immigrant Turk looks pretty similar to other Balkan peoples by considering phenotypes, probably because our admixture with them happened in more recent times (100+ years ago?).
I have quite a few Iranid looking relatives and my paternal grandfather looks über Iranid, yet, Armenians appear closer to us than Kurds. I wonder if my über Iranid looking grandfather will score first with Kurds or Armenians..
Seljuks had iranid elements due to the mixing with khorasanians, transoxanians and persians (south central asians), they also brought many Tajik-Persian to anatolia (mevlana rumi was just one of them), you can see Iranid looking people in Sivas, Kırşehir, Niğde, Yozgat somewhat similar to Kurds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashina
i think Aşık Veysel is good example of iranid looking Turk.
He was originally an Avshar Turk from sivas.
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%82%...4%B1ro%C4%9Flu
http://i48.tinypic.com/jhzp5v.jpgQuote:
Veysel Şatıroğlu veya bilinen adıyla Âşık Veysel (d. 25 Ekim 1894, Şarkışla, Sivas - ö. 21 Mart 1973), Türk halk ozanı. Avşar boyunun Şatırlı obasına mensuptur.
my thread about sivas
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51926
I don't think Asik Veysel looks very Iranid. He was rather typical Central Anatolian Turkish looking.
http://tr.freeimagesarchive.com/data...B1k+veysel.jpg
http://img03.imgfotokritik.com/fk_ne...sik-veysel.jpg
http://www.sivashaber.net/haber/uplo...ysel%201-4.jpg
My grandfather f.e has a much stronger Iranid look, not very typical for Turks.
who's the girl in first photo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashina
and yes, your grandfather has iranid look.