Actual Importance of Haplogroups

R1 is what matters. Doesn't matter ethnicity or skin colour.

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Originally Posted by Danielion

R1 is what matters. Doesn't matter ethnicity or skin colour.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

Haplogroups are absolutely meaningless. They don't say anything about a person.

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Would you rather your daughter marry someone who is mostly SSA but with I1, or mostly White but with E1b1a?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

Would you rather your daughter marry someone who is mostly SSA but with I1, or mostly White but with E1b1a?

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Second option of course. Haplogroups are irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

Second option of course. Haplogroups are irrelevant.

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I disagree, but I see where you are coming from.

The real importance of haplogroups is they mark your direct lineage. That is all

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

Second option of course. Haplogroups are irrelevant.

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It's irrelevant to you because you're born from jewish sperm.

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Originally Posted by Dick

It's irrelevant to you because you're born from jewish sperm.

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It's objectively speaking irrelevant because it makes up an irrelevant percentage of your entire genome and says nothing about a person's racial character or anything else.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

It's objectively speaking irrelevant because it makes up an irrelevant percentage of your entire genome and says nothing about a person's racial character or anything else.

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Cope. You're a jew. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Dick

Cope. You're a jew. Deal with it.

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In other words you can't even form an argument to support your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

In other words you can't even form an argument to support your opinion.

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One word: Cope.

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Originally Posted by Dick

One word: Cope.

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So American niggers with haplogroup I or whatever=Germanic?

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

Haplogroups are absolutely meaningless. They don't say anything about a person.

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I agree with this although I do find haplogroups interesting.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

So American niggers with haplogroup I or whatever=Germanic?

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Keep coping.

Where's Rethel? Maybe he can answer my question.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

So American niggers with haplogroup I or whatever=Germanic?

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Aren't most Aframs with white Y-DNA R1b since they're mostly paternally from the British Isles, not Germany and Scandinavia?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

Aren't most Aframs with white Y-DNA R1b since they're mostly paternally from the British Isles, not Germany and Scandinavia?

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I don't know, but either way they're still niggers, which shows why haplogroups are irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

I wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for a jewish man.

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Cope.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

I don't know, but either way they're still niggers, which shows why haplogroups are irrelevant.

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But I know people with 3 NW Euro grandparents and then the paternal grandfather is like Persian or Indian, do you see them as White? They look White, but have an "ethnic"" surname and haplo.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

But I know people with 3 NW Euro grandparents and then the paternal grandfather is like Persian or Indian, do you see them as White? They look White, but have an "ethnic"" surname and haplo.

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I don't really see what this has to do with whether haplogroups matter or not, It's very recent ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Dick

Cope. You're a jew. Deal with it.

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He isn't a Jew, Jewish sperm is meaningless. Only Jewish eggs are important.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

He isn't a Jew, Jewish sperm is meaningless. Only Jewish eggs are important.

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Then why are Jews religiously referred to by their father's name (Isaac ben Abraham), and circumcision is only done to males, not females? It seems every other Jewish thing is passed down patrilineally, with the exception of actual Jewishness.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

Then why are Jews religiously referred to by their father's name (Isaac ben Abraham), and circumcision is only done to males, not females? It seems every other Jewish thing is passed down patrilineally, with the exception of actual Jewishness.

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Why is interesting but irrelevant. The fact is that Jewishness is passed down matrilineally regardless of other things that are passed down patrilineally. We do not accept paternal half-Jews as Jews (although Reform communities do if they were raised Jewish).

Religiously, Orthodox Jewish services do not call up or make references to individual women. In the one exception that they do, the mi shebeyrakh, women are referred to by their mother's name (Sara bat Rivka), by the way.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

Why is interesting but irrelevant. The fact is that Jewishness is passed down matrilineally regardless of other things that are passed down patrilineally. We do not accept paternal half-Jews as Jews (although Reform communities do if they were raised Jewish).

Religiously, Orthodox Jewish services do not call up or make references to individual women. In the one exception that they do, the mi shebeyrakh, women are referred to by their mother's name (Sara bat Rivka), by the way.

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Interesting, especially in light of the fact that Ashkenazi Jews get most of their Israelite ancestry from their paternal lines.

But it kinda makes sense to me, because while you will always know who your mother is, the identity of your biological father was unverifiable until the advent of DNA testing.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

Interesting, especially in light of the fact that Ashkenazi Jews get most of their Israelite ancestry from their paternal lines.

But it kinda makes sense to me, because while you will always know who your mother is, the identity of your biological father was unverifiable until the advent of DNA testing.

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Nearly all Jews get most of their Israelite ancestry paternally, but as you say, it's a foolproof method.

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Originally Posted by Longbowman

Nearly all Jews get most of their Israelite ancestry paternally, but as you say, it's a foolproof method.

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If you married a Gentile woman, would you raise your children/consider them to be Jewish?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

If you married a Gentile woman, would you raise your children/consider them to be Jewish?

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I'd probably raise them steeped in substantial Jewish culture and tradition, but I don't know if I'd consider them Jewish, so much as provide the cultural and knowledge based background for them to convert if so they desired.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

It's objectively speaking irrelevant because it makes up an irrelevant percentage of your entire genome and says nothing about a person's racial character or anything else.

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No its important because haplogroups will tell you who you are related to directly and accurately you can be 14 percent italian it doesnt mean shit and you can only guess how you are related to soneone else if you are cousins. You need geneology paper haplogroups are pretty nuch set your this off spring. Autosomal dna ,recombines and mutates too fast haplogroups is more valuable for deep geneology than autosomal dna.

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Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

No its important because haplogroups will tell you who you are related to directly and accurately you can be 14 percent italian it doesnt mean shit and you can only guess how you are related to soneone else if you are cousins. You need geneology paper haplogroups are pretty nuch set your this off spring. Autosomal dna ,recombines and mutates too fast haplogroups is more valuable for deep geneology than autosomal dna.

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It tells you about one distant ancestor thousands of years ago. It's a very tiny part of your overall genome. Yes, autosomal DNA is much more important.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

It tells you about one distant ancestor thousands of years ago. It's a very tiny part of your overall genome. Yes, autosomal DNA is much more important.

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What is your haplo?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

What is your haplo?

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I guess R1a. I didn't take a test but some of my cousins did.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

I guess R1a. I didn't take a test but some of my cousins did.

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So your grandfather's mother was the Jewish one then? And your grandfather's father was Slavic?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

So your grandfather's mother was the Jewish one then? And your grandfather's father was Slavic?

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Not all R1a is Slavic, R1a-Z284 and L664 are Germanic

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Not all R1a is Slavic, R1a-Z284 and L664 are Germanic

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As far as I'm concerned, R1 can be semi-Germanic, but only I1 will ever be truly Germanic.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

As far as I'm concerned, R1 can be semi-Germanic, but only I1 will ever be truly Germanic.

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No

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

No

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Dude you're J1, why are you defending R1?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

Dude you're J1, why are you defending R1?

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Because haplo wars are pure retardation and facts are what matter

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

So your grandfather's mother was the Jewish one then? And your grandfather's father was Slavic?

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No, both of his parents were at least part Jewish, but his grandfather likely wasn't at all.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

No, both of his parents were at least part Jewish, but his grandfather likely wasn't at all.

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His paternal grandfather?

This is really interesting to me, because I'm interested in genealogy. Do most Jews have recent gentile admixture?

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

His paternal grandfather?

This is really interesting to me, because I'm interested in genealogy. Do most Jews have recent gentile admixture?

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I think so. His whole father's side of the family isn't known very well. All I know for sure is he had recent non-jewish ancestry which must have been Slavic I guess. This is reflected in my cousins DNA results. They each get like 18% Ashkenazi or something like that. I don't think the average Jew has recent gentile admixture. Not sure.