I think Tosks plot between leki and limaj
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I think Tosks plot between leki and limaj
Just take the test man.Quote:
Originally Posted by alnortedelsur
3% admixture doesn't really show up in phenotypes.
Yes he is a Tosk, but there are Tosks just near Leki in the circle as Leki said today, Limaj just ploted little far away but in interesting direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceT
He's a Lab, not far from my area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ylla
There are quite northern plotting Tosks thoQuote:
Originally Posted by IceT
Who's Limaj, he plots far from rest of Albo crew?Quote:
Originally Posted by IceT
So do I xD Eurogenes calc hates me.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
Where do you stand exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër
Slightly northwest of Central Greek.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
While all the tribes I am connected to came from Bosnia. Kuqi maternally and also I match paternally krasniqi and shala (duhan who I am also connected to paternally). It's possible we are both krasniqi paternally originally. We gonna see krashniks results if he matches us but krasniqi are pred j2b2 and ev13.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dema
It makes sense why I would be more northern plotting. Even Albanians who get more norman/goth / Slavic it would pull them slightly north but still I would be more north while they also get south west and sardinian which pulls them south again slightly. This is my only explanation.
There must of been a certain genetic gap between north and south ilyrians. to me it seems like I am a eastern shifted north Italian.
This is the only calculator I plot out of line like this though. I am very close to Skerdi(Leki) and Leapfrogger in others.
http://oi63.tinypic.com/15fup3.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
Oh, I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër
Those Tosks must be really mixed which has pulled them north. It could even be dacian or some north ilyrian component or even Slavic.Quote:
Originally Posted by safinator
Bulgarians for example are not paleo Balkan at all. They just are aix mash of different groups and that's why they plot where they plot. Its a coincidence. It's no where close to north Italy or even as north yet on that map they are pretty much extremely eastern shifted north Italians while I plot between
The most northern plotting Albanians are the ones from Montenegro , the most southern are the southwestern Albanians, surprisingly SE Albos can plot quite north too.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceT
Kosovars aren't uniform, there's some really northern ones but also some which plot below me.
Do you have some gedmatch data about Croats ? I've never seen any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woah
I'm still learning about genetics but can't see how Albanians can be closer to Spaniards than to Croats. Just look at geography for god's sake! There must be some shared pre-Slavic ancestry too. Only thing I can think of to connect Spaniards and Albanians must be some generic med (south Euro) ancestry.
Based on this: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml there is decent amount of I2 in Albania and E1b1b is minor haplogroup in Croatia too.
I took a look at the PCA, I see we plot closer to Croats then Spaniards (understandably so), you're correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz
We undoubtedly share some pre-Slavic genes, nothing unusual here.
People around Korca seem very Northern looking by southern standards I noticed, could very well be because they carry few genes from once Slavic settlers in Medieval period.Quote:
Originally Posted by safinator
You need to get the haplogroup thing out of your head, it's basically insignificant. It can go back thousands of years. Autosomal DNA matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz
Genetically Croatians are like 80-90% central European and the rest Balkanite. Meaning you can model a Croatian as like 90% Austrian, 10% Albanian in many cases. Croatians can actually be considered fully central European and that makes most sense, you are closest to Austrians and Hungarians, but just like Hungarians, a lot of individual Croats cluster near Serbia and even Romania rather than the former.
You guys would be somewhere around 38-40% WHG and that's what separates you from most other Balkanites as Albanians have much less. More than 10% less in most cases. Bosnian Serbs and Bosnians are the closest.
By standard definition they are Balkanite but what separate them from us is indeed WHG competent mostly, they score very high amount (40%), we however score around 30% WHG in Kosovo and less the more south you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
Thanks man, that makes a lot of sense :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RN97
I'm interested about WHG, it is basically a North Euro component and I haplogroup is said to be descended from it, but still we score less WHG than Brits who are mostly R1b for example , or East Slavs with R1a... That kind of thing confuses me. What about EHG, people here write it is different component altogheder, can you explain it more detailed if have time ? Thanks!
Not sure regarding phenotype but i think the 2 most northern plotting tosks among my samples are both from Gjirokaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
Haplogroups =/= Ancient components or admixture, hg just tells where your great great......grandfather possibly might hailed from but tells nothing about his racial make up, autosomal test is what tells you about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz
Well, I don't exactly agree. I'm North Croat and for example Graz (city in Austria) is quite close to my town, far closer than Albania or Bulgaria but unlike many other Croats I don't get triggered when called Balkanite :DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
It is just certain some common ancestry must exist in the region, be it Illyrian (Thracian) or Roman.
Any tested from Korca region, that place remains a mystery to us genetically........We have alot to learn from that region, just we need more people to get tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by safinator
None that i know of on Gedmatch, i share with some on 23andMe.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
What test is this graph based on? Could someone put my results there, just want to see how I compare.
Western hunther gatherers were some of the first Europeans, they are believed to be blue eyed, dark skinned and dark haired and look Cro-magnon-like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz
http://i.imgur.com/VPfaIXt.jpg
The closest people to WHG's today are the basques, the reason being not that they have the most WHG, but that they don't have a lot of ANE, which pushes you very far east, that's why NE Euros have a lot of WHG, but still cluster far from it. EHG, I'm unsure of, but I think it's a hunther gatherer that's like a mix of WHG and ANE, it looks kinda chinky. I think in modern times Samis, Chuvash, Maris look like them. Here is more on them:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...unter-Gatherer
MDLP spreadsheetQuote:
Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...dBY/edit#gid=0
MDLP K13 spreadsheet (this one also has B&H Croat population)
Eurogenes K8 spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...OLfYDMzUQ/edit
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ns-Spreadsheet
PCA plots based on Eurogenes calculators
http://i.imgur.com/5jbkEdu.png
http://s22.postimg.org/64lijqhu9/pca12.png
http://s28.postimg.org/sfar01xf1/pca12.png
K15 spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1872836177
From a research paper
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QJs5tV0H3t...00/2dkweaw.jpg
Amazing :D thanks a lot man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woah
No problem. It seems I didn't put link of MDLP K13 and I put wrong link regarding K8. So here is MDLP K13 and Eurogenes K8Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-0...U2M/view?pli=1
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t#gid=74932529
I had 2 people from korca in my High school they were brothers , both were with really light blond hair and Green eyes but their face was very Albanian.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
I think they should have some Slav ancestry because their hair colour was almost white like :p
It's in the History of Albania, Histori e Shqipërisë. When there was the slavic invasion, there were some Sclavonia in this regions of Opar, Korça and Skrapar, Berat. Byzantines gather this slavs and send them in Asia Minor. Did the Byzantine gather all this slavs? I doubt. There is an document that can help us to understand the situation. The memories of Gjon Muzaka. His family was exactly from the region of Korça and he speak about some villages of slavs in Opar. We know about the existence of this people. Today they are assimilated in our nation,they are Albanians like all of us. But the Muzaka family was the ruling family of Epir, they were Despot of Epir. And for centuries their capital was Berat. And when we say Berat, the highland of this city is Skrapar. He don't mention slavs in Skrapar. He speak even about a place in Skrapar, where according to him, there is gold, but he don't speak about slavs. This is the story of slavic settlements in South Albania. Only few villages in the highland of Korça and maybe some left overs in Skrapar. Of course, Geni is excluded, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by safinator
Korrcaret jane the lightest of all abanians i think.
Added another guy who plots right east of me (anonymous gheg :D )
https://s30.postimg.org/4f4bm1xlr/k15icet2.jpg
Nah I don't think soQuote:
Originally Posted by Drawing-slim
Why this talk about who's the lightest anyway? As if it's a good thing :P
Its not. I was just saying it based on at least ten albos from korrca i know here where i live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nilotik