Haplogroup E3b1a2 as a Possible Indicator of Settlement in Roman Britain by Soldiers of Balkan Ori

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Originally Posted by Hanibalas Lekteris

E-V13 is very ancient in Europe, an association with Romans is a very weak way of accounting for its presence in the British Isles.

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... but at small quantities in northern Europe.

Yes, Illyrians were the best soldiers of the Roman Empire, they used to kill germanics for fun. They also settled partially in Britain.

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Originally Posted by Loki

... but at small quantities in northern Europe.

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Not necessarilly, actually some of the branches in Northern Europe are pretty unique (like L540). They may be just a farmer survivors

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Originally Posted by Loki

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I wonder which haplogroups the Cananefates carried.

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Originally Posted by Artek

Not necessarilly, actually some of the branches in Northern Europe are pretty unique (like L540). They may be just a farmer survivors

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Yes it is in essence a Neolithic clade, which has some survivors all over Europe. But as I said, the frequencies are very low indeed in Northern Europe. Plus, the Thracian cohorts that were demobilized in Germania Inferior must have had many descendants.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Yes it is in essence a Neolithic clade, which has some survivors all over Europe. But as I said, the frequencies are very low indeed in Northern Europe. Plus, the Thracian cohorts that were demobilized in Germania Inferior must have had many descendants.

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They were a mix of Thracians and Illyrians.

Someone should delve into E-V13 in Spain. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Hamza

Yes, Illyrians were the best soldiers of the Roman Empire, they used to kill germanics for fun. They also settled partially in Britain.

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Illyrians were so epic that the Romans managed to lose the greater part of Germania.

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Originally Posted by Albion

Illyrians were so epic that the Romans managed to lose the greater part of Germania.

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Well, the Illyrians were the backbone of the Roman army since 80 AD, they composed the majority of the Pretorian Guard and they were the ones who managed to stop millions of germanics till the collapse of Rome.

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Originally Posted by Hamza

Well, the Illyrians were the backbone of the Roman army since 80 AD, they composed the majority of the Pretorian Guard and they were the ones who managed to stop millions of germanics till the collapse of Rome.

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The Rhine border was porous many times, Cimbri and the Teutones showed that when they basically took a tour of the western part of the empire.

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Originally Posted by Artek

Not necessarilly, actually some of the branches in Northern Europe are pretty unique (like L540). They may be just a farmer survivors

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Basically I think there were small bands of E all over europe but in the minority. And ditto for N and T. I don't think there was ever a civilization that was mostly E west of balkans, and no neolithic ancient DNA shows mostly E. There were not really nation states like today until recently in history.

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Originally Posted by Loki

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-j...px?Group=E-V13

This project attempts to link E-V13 individuals from three regions - Balkans (specifically high E-V13 concentration areas such as Kosovo & Macedonia) - England - German/Swiss border area (Hegau, Thurgau) The project attmepts to collect genetic evidence, that all three regions are linked by means of Roman auxiliary troup movements between 15 AD and 260 AD. The hypothesis is based on the fact that Roman legions systematically recruited Balkan populations for expeditions into Western Europe. Some hard archeological hard facts suggest that after 250 AD up to 50% of all Roman auxiliary troups were from the Balkans.

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Why not TROJAN? Romans were originally believed to have their origins from Troy? But Trojans also had a connection with Thracians Dardanians and Butrint (Albania)