Pontic Greek Gedmatch results

[QUOTE=AncientGreek;6677415]

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Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian

It could just be a coincidence, but, let me tell you...

You scored 0 East European on K36, and anybody with a recent Russian ancestor would score East European, as that's the main category of a Russian. Now, you are also closer to northern Greeks in distance than to other mainland Greeks, which is also very strange. That's why I have a feeling you could have an ancestor from northern Greece, and your family doesn't even need to know about it. Maybe I'm wrong, could just be a bunch of coincidences adding up.

His Russian grandparent could be 50% - 25% Russian. Russians don't score 100% East European they barely score 40%. It is possible he is 1/16th Russian due to dilution from his parents which would come up close to 4% EE then further dilution with Caucasian populations. Its not out of the ordinary. He scores very high west asia and east med and hightened Baltic which is normal for a person from his region. Nothing overly exotic about it at all.

-Guy says he's fully from Pontus
-Shows some affinity to Greece proper unlike the results Durks spam and he still comes highly Anatolian
-This is a win, not a problem

Another Korean sample, welcome to Turanic paradise... now you can learn throat singing and move to Pamir and Altaic mountains without being judged.

https://youtu.be/qx8hrhBZJ98

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Russopontians are at least 25% native Russian and different to Crimean Greeks.

Indeed they are often mixed with Rus and some even look Slavic lol

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Originally Posted by Konstantinos

Ok here me out.

Greeks have a lot of variety. Pontic Greeks are the most outlying in the sense that they are the closest to Lazs and Armenians but they are distinct from them in the sense that they show "Mediterranean" shift. This situation is to be expected since Pontus is the farthest Greek region from the core and doesn't have land borders with any other Greek region, so the initial Greek colonizers couldn't be a lot since they have to have traveled by sea(as we also know through history). These colonizers quickly Hellenized the local population and developed the modern Pontic Greek profile.

Now so far the Pontic Greek results that floated around were much closer to Lazs and Armenians than yours. Essentially that means you show much more Mainland Greek shift. Since genetics is underdeveloped in Greece most results are provided by "barbarians" ;) It is my personal opinion(and only that, so I may well be wrong) that there's a big agenda towards Greeks. Your results are illuminating in that they are both very Mainland Greek shifted and at the same time show a Steppe affinity that is supposed to have been mostly introduced to Greeks through Slavic invasions. I have my strong doubts about that and am long in search of Asia Minor, and other non-core Greek areas' results to investigate that.

Be prepared to here stories how a "Slavic-influenced Mainlander Greek village" decided to migrate to your Pontic Greek villages and influence your results. If you have any questions I'm very happy to answer.

lol that's the most decent way someone has told a pontic Greek guy that Pontic Greeks are native west asians with an amount of Greek admixture :rotfl:

still very Greek mixed for a Pontic person

You score higher North European than the average Anatolian and Pontic Greek. I've seen similar turkish results. Interesting, you should test your fully pontic side or both of your parents to get a better picture imo :D

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

Another Korean sample, welcome to Turanic paradise... now you can learn throat singing and move to Pamir and Altaic mountains without being judged.

https://youtu.be/qx8hrhBZJ98

Pontic Greeks have nothing to do with this kind of stuff^

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Originally Posted by SuperDorian

Pontic Greeks have nothing to do with this kind of stuff^

he 1. Turk duh

oeoeoeoeoeooeoooooooo

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

Another Korean sample, welcome to Turanic paradise... now you can learn throat singing and move to Pamir and Altaic mountains without

Judged by whom?...bosniak?...what is that, a fart of Europe or something?

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Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian

Judged by whom?...bosniak?...what is that, a fart of Europe or something?

Better fart of Europe than fart of Mongolia.

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

Better fart of Europe than fart of Mongolia.

Pontians are indigenous to the area that existed when you were still swinging from trees.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Pontians are indigenous to the area that existed when you were still swinging from trees.

If he is Greek so is every Turk in Turkey who scores 1. Turk

Is that fair?

Instead of clicking on "Oracle-4", can you click on "Oracle" for K13? Just wondering what you get in the mixed mode over there.

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

If he is Greek so is every Turk in Turkey who scores 1. Turk

Is that fair?

Nope - its not his Turkish input. It's his shared ancestry with Turks in the area. Alot of you score Greek high on your lists does that make you Greek?

He is a Greek shifted Caucasian with hightened North European than a typical Pontian, thats what his results say not whether half of Turks in Pontus are Islamised Pontian Greeks.

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Originally Posted by xripkan

Very interesting results! Most Pontic Greek results we have so far are close to Caucasian groups. Yours are half Caucasian-like and the rest is similar to Greek Islander or maybe Smyrniot results.
However there is an explanation.
The Pontic Greek samples we have so far are from Trabzon area. We don't have samples from Western Pontus. Your Trabzon side seems typical. Your Western Pontus side is different but in fact may be typical for the region. We need samples from this area and it is very useful to see your results.
Could you also post your K15? I would like to see both your mixed mode (press oracle) and 4 (oracle 4)populations results.

The most notable part of his results is the "northern" scores. If Greeks from Asia Minor and Western Pontus score like that, it was present in Greece since antiquity as obviously there weren't any Slavs there.

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Originally Posted by Konstantinos

The most notable part of his results is the "northern" scores. If Greeks from Asia Minor and Western Pontus score like that, it was present in Greece since antiquity as obviously there weren't any Slavs there.

Ancient Greeks had steppe input anyway, you can find high Baltic/North european in Punjabis even. But trolls will always relate it to slavs

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

Another Korean sample, welcome to Turanic paradise... now you can learn throat singing and move to Pamir and Altaic mountains without being judged.

https://youtu.be/qx8hrhBZJ98

Leave your Ottoman fantasies away from Greeks before you wet your bed.

So to sum it up:

Roman-Anatolian has ancestry from Pontus, with rumoured 1/8 ancestry from Russia. That though fails to show up on tests so maybe he's full Greek(what a shame!). The only fact remains that he's 100% Pontic Greek until we have any further indications or have relevant results to compare.

You're a perfectly Greek Greek with results that fully range from Greek mainland to Greek Pontus.

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Originally Posted by Konstantinos

So to sum it up:

Roman-Anatolian has ancestry from Pontus, with rumoured 1/8 ancestry from Russia. That though fails to show up on tests so maybe he's full Greek(what a shame!). The only fact remains that he's 100% Pontic Greek until we have any further indications or have relevant results to compare.

You're a perfectly Greek Greek with results that fully range from Greek mainland to Greek Pontus.

Thanks Konstantine. I was always wondering, are Pontians just hellenized or could we actually have some greek in our dna. If we trust the accuracy of these dna companies and programs we might have some. Who knows for sure? At least that is what we know from history.

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Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian

Thanks Konstantine. I was always wondering, are Pontians just hellenized or could we actually have some greek in our dna. If we trust the accuracy of these dna companies and programs we might have some. Who knows for sure? At least that is what we know from history.

Testing relatives will give more clear answers

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Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian

Thanks Konstantine. I was always wondering, are Pontians just hellenized or could we actually have some greek in our dna. If we trust the accuracy of these dna companies and programs we might have some. Who knows for sure? At least that is what we know from history.

Your closest matched population is Greek_Azov and are Greek people.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Your closest matched population is Greek_Azov and are Greek people.

Yes but not in all calculations though.

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Originally Posted by Markos

Ancient Greeks had steppe input anyway, you can find high Baltic/North european in Punjabis even. But trolls will always relate it to slavs

Mycenaean I9010

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K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013 Kit Z290210 Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 East_Med 36.83 2 West_Med 31.92 3 North_Atlantic 10.52 4 West_Asian 8.82 5 Red_Sea 8.03 6 Baltic 2.73 7 Oceanian 0.86 8 Sub-Saharan 0.3 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Algerian_Jewish 9.09 2 Italian_Jewish 11.1 3 Sephardic_Jewish 12.52 4 South_Italian 12.69 5 Tunisian_Jewish 13.58 6 Libyan_Jewish 13.84 7 East_Sicilian 14.48 8 Ashkenazi 14.92 9 West_Sicilian 15.32 10 Central_Greek 15.74 11 Cyprian 15.77 12 Italian_Abruzzo 18.49 13 Samaritan 20.47 14 Greek_Thessaly 20.62 15 Tuscan 20.64 16 Tunisian 21.09 17 Lebanese_Muslim 21.61 18 Lebanese_Christian 22.25 19 Syrian 22.3 20 Algerian 22.46 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 56.4% Samaritan + 43.6% Sardinian @ 3.2 2 54.3% Lebanese_Christian + 45.7% Sardinian @ 3.21 3 51.5% Lebanese_Druze + 48.5% Sardinian @ 4.42 4 63.3% Cyprian + 36.7% Sardinian @ 4.96 5 52.5% Palestinian + 47.5% Sardinian @ 5.47 6 78.9% Algerian_Jewish + 21.1% Sardinian @ 5.98 7 68% Tunisian_Jewish + 32% Sardinian @ 6.36 8 55.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 44.7% Sardinian @ 6.49 9 52.1% Jordanian + 47.9% Sardinian @ 6.63 10 67.9% Libyan_Jewish + 32.1% Sardinian @ 6.87 11 54.5% Syrian + 45.5% Sardinian @ 6.95 12 75.2% Italian_Jewish + 24.8% Sardinian @ 7.36 13 52.6% Sardinian + 47.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 7.65 14 53.2% Sardinian + 46.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 7.76 15 72.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 27.9% Sardinian @ 7.85 16 50.6% Bedouin + 49.4% Sardinian @ 8.21 17 57.9% Sardinian + 42.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.38 18 97.6% Algerian_Jewish + 2.4% French_Basque @ 9.02 19 98.2% Algerian_Jewish + 1.8% Southwest_French @ 9.07 20 98.4% Algerian_Jewish + 1.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 9.08

Greek from Kos

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Eurogenes K13 Oracle results: K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013 Kit *redacted* Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 East_Med 35.8 2 West_Med 23.88 3 West_Asian 16.11 4 North_Atlantic 9.48 5 Baltic 6.09 6 Red_Sea 5.67 7 East_Asian 0.99 8 Sub-Saharan 0.94 9 Oceanian 0.86 10 South_Asian 0.18 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Algerian_Jewish 7.09 2 South_Italian 7.45 3 Cyprian 8.55 4 Italian_Jewish 8.59 5 Sephardic_Jewish 8.74 6 East_Sicilian 9.06 7 Ashkenazi 9.65 8 Central_Greek 9.69 9 Tunisian_Jewish 10.44 10 Libyan_Jewish 11.3 11 West_Sicilian 12.83 12 Italian_Abruzzo 13.83 13 Lebanese_Muslim 14.05 14 Syrian 15.62 15 Samaritan 16.04 16 Greek_Thessaly 16.12 17 Lebanese_Christian 17.02 18 Lebanese_Druze 18.24 19 Turkish 18.59 20 Jordanian 18.7 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 83.8% Cyprian + 16.2% Southwest_French @ 3.75 2 54.4% South_Italian + 45.6% Cyprian @ 3.8 3 76.9% Cyprian + 23.1% North_Italian @ 3.8 4 61.7% Cyprian + 38.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.91 5 53.9% Cyprian + 46.1% Central_Greek @ 3.95 6 83.5% Cyprian + 16.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.97 7 51.8% Cyprian + 48.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.99 8 71.8% Cyprian + 28.2% Tuscan @ 4.05 9 82.3% Cyprian + 17.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.07 10 81.8% Cyprian + 18.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.12 11 82.4% Cyprian + 17.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.16 12 67.6% Cyprian + 32.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.19 13 82.9% Cyprian + 17.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.23 14 82.9% Cyprian + 17.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.23 15 82% Cyprian + 18% Portuguese @ 4.26 16 81.8% Cyprian + 18.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.27 17 81.9% Cyprian + 18.1% Sardinian @ 4.28 18 83.9% Cyprian + 16.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.29 19 82.9% Cyprian + 17.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.31 20 87.1% Cyprian + 12.9% French_Basque @ 4.34

Spoiler!

:roll eyes

Mycenaean steppe admixture had insignificant amount of 'Baltic'. Most modern Dodecanese islanders score more Baltic than ancient Greeks. Baltic didn't come out of nowhere, and it didn't come from adjacent populations (Italy, West Asia) as they too had no Baltic. So where do you propose it came from? Do you think it appeared out of thin air? :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Markos

Ancient Greeks had steppe input anyway, you can find high Baltic/North european in Punjabis even. But trolls will always relate it to slavs

Except that Y-DNA has also proven there was Slavic input.

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Originally Posted by Markos

Ancient Greeks had steppe input anyway, you can find high Baltic/North european in Punjabis even. But trolls will always relate it to slavs

This^

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

Mycenaean I9010

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K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013 Kit Z290210 Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 East_Med 36.83 2 West_Med 31.92 3 North_Atlantic 10.52 4 West_Asian 8.82 5 Red_Sea 8.03 6 Baltic 2.73 7 Oceanian 0.86 8 Sub-Saharan 0.3 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Algerian_Jewish 9.09 2 Italian_Jewish 11.1 3 Sephardic_Jewish 12.52 4 South_Italian 12.69 5 Tunisian_Jewish 13.58 6 Libyan_Jewish 13.84 7 East_Sicilian 14.48 8 Ashkenazi 14.92 9 West_Sicilian 15.32 10 Central_Greek 15.74 11 Cyprian 15.77 12 Italian_Abruzzo 18.49 13 Samaritan 20.47 14 Greek_Thessaly 20.62 15 Tuscan 20.64 16 Tunisian 21.09 17 Lebanese_Muslim 21.61 18 Lebanese_Christian 22.25 19 Syrian 22.3 20 Algerian 22.46 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 56.4% Samaritan + 43.6% Sardinian @ 3.2 2 54.3% Lebanese_Christian + 45.7% Sardinian @ 3.21 3 51.5% Lebanese_Druze + 48.5% Sardinian @ 4.42 4 63.3% Cyprian + 36.7% Sardinian @ 4.96 5 52.5% Palestinian + 47.5% Sardinian @ 5.47 6 78.9% Algerian_Jewish + 21.1% Sardinian @ 5.98 7 68% Tunisian_Jewish + 32% Sardinian @ 6.36 8 55.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 44.7% Sardinian @ 6.49 9 52.1% Jordanian + 47.9% Sardinian @ 6.63 10 67.9% Libyan_Jewish + 32.1% Sardinian @ 6.87 11 54.5% Syrian + 45.5% Sardinian @ 6.95 12 75.2% Italian_Jewish + 24.8% Sardinian @ 7.36 13 52.6% Sardinian + 47.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 7.65 14 53.2% Sardinian + 46.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 7.76 15 72.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 27.9% Sardinian @ 7.85 16 50.6% Bedouin + 49.4% Sardinian @ 8.21 17 57.9% Sardinian + 42.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.38 18 97.6% Algerian_Jewish + 2.4% French_Basque @ 9.02 19 98.2% Algerian_Jewish + 1.8% Southwest_French @ 9.07 20 98.4% Algerian_Jewish + 1.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 9.08

Greek from Kos

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Eurogenes K13 Oracle results: K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013 Kit *redacted* Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 East_Med 35.8 2 West_Med 23.88 3 West_Asian 16.11 4 North_Atlantic 9.48 5 Baltic 6.09 6 Red_Sea 5.67 7 East_Asian 0.99 8 Sub-Saharan 0.94 9 Oceanian 0.86 10 South_Asian 0.18 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Algerian_Jewish 7.09 2 South_Italian 7.45 3 Cyprian 8.55 4 Italian_Jewish 8.59 5 Sephardic_Jewish 8.74 6 East_Sicilian 9.06 7 Ashkenazi 9.65 8 Central_Greek 9.69 9 Tunisian_Jewish 10.44 10 Libyan_Jewish 11.3 11 West_Sicilian 12.83 12 Italian_Abruzzo 13.83 13 Lebanese_Muslim 14.05 14 Syrian 15.62 15 Samaritan 16.04 16 Greek_Thessaly 16.12 17 Lebanese_Christian 17.02 18 Lebanese_Druze 18.24 19 Turkish 18.59 20 Jordanian 18.7 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 83.8% Cyprian + 16.2% Southwest_French @ 3.75 2 54.4% South_Italian + 45.6% Cyprian @ 3.8 3 76.9% Cyprian + 23.1% North_Italian @ 3.8 4 61.7% Cyprian + 38.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.91 5 53.9% Cyprian + 46.1% Central_Greek @ 3.95 6 83.5% Cyprian + 16.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.97 7 51.8% Cyprian + 48.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.99 8 71.8% Cyprian + 28.2% Tuscan @ 4.05 9 82.3% Cyprian + 17.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.07 10 81.8% Cyprian + 18.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.12 11 82.4% Cyprian + 17.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.16 12 67.6% Cyprian + 32.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.19 13 82.9% Cyprian + 17.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.23 14 82.9% Cyprian + 17.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.23 15 82% Cyprian + 18% Portuguese @ 4.26 16 81.8% Cyprian + 18.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.27 17 81.9% Cyprian + 18.1% Sardinian @ 4.28 18 83.9% Cyprian + 16.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.29 19 82.9% Cyprian + 17.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.31 20 87.1% Cyprian + 12.9% French_Basque @ 4.34

Spoiler!

:roll eyes

Mycenaean steppe admixture had insignificant amount of 'Baltic'. Most modern Dodecanese islanders score more Baltic than ancient Greeks. Baltic didn't come out of nowhere, and it didn't come from adjacent populations (Italy, West Asia) as they too had no Baltic. So where do you propose it came from? Do you think it appeared out of thin air? :coffee:

Scythians in Classical and Roman times also Byzantine Varangians maybe

Some came later from Slavs but more in Mainland Areas i doubt that any Slavs as a group large enough to be noticed made it to Dodecanese

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Except that Y-DNA has also proven there was Slavic input.

There is no Polish nor Ukranian input in Greece other than recent migrants.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

There is no Polish nor Ukranian input in Greece other than recent migrants.

True

Myceneans

2 West_Med 31.92
3 North_Atlantic 10.52
4 West_Asian 8.82

West Asian input in Greece on Gedmatch is 15-20% - so it has doubled likely from Anatolia

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Originally Posted by SuperDorian

Scythians in Classical and Roman times also Byzantine Varangians maybe

Some came later from Slavs but more in Mainland Areas i doubt that any Slavs as a group large enough to be noticed made it to Dodecanese

Slavs never made it to Dodecanese obviously, but overtime mainland Greeks brought Steppe admixture over here. I mean, I don't see why they wanted to come here, but a few did obviously :p.

Anyways, somebody more knowledgeable than me needs to explain how the Kura-Araxes admixture of ancient Greeks disappeared and how the steppe (Yamnaya) magically increased:

https://imgur.com/NhRFzY6.png

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

Mycenaean I9010

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K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013 Kit Z290210 Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 East_Med 36.83 2 West_Med 31.92 3 North_Atlantic 10.52 4 West_Asian 8.82 5 Red_Sea 8.03 6 Baltic 2.73 7 Oceanian 0.86 8 Sub-Saharan 0.3 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Algerian_Jewish 9.09 2 Italian_Jewish 11.1 3 Sephardic_Jewish 12.52 4 South_Italian 12.69 5 Tunisian_Jewish 13.58 6 Libyan_Jewish 13.84 7 East_Sicilian 14.48 8 Ashkenazi 14.92 9 West_Sicilian 15.32 10 Central_Greek 15.74 11 Cyprian 15.77 12 Italian_Abruzzo 18.49 13 Samaritan 20.47 14 Greek_Thessaly 20.62 15 Tuscan 20.64 16 Tunisian 21.09 17 Lebanese_Muslim 21.61 18 Lebanese_Christian 22.25 19 Syrian 22.3 20 Algerian 22.46 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 56.4% Samaritan + 43.6% Sardinian @ 3.2 2 54.3% Lebanese_Christian + 45.7% Sardinian @ 3.21 3 51.5% Lebanese_Druze + 48.5% Sardinian @ 4.42 4 63.3% Cyprian + 36.7% Sardinian @ 4.96 5 52.5% Palestinian + 47.5% Sardinian @ 5.47 6 78.9% Algerian_Jewish + 21.1% Sardinian @ 5.98 7 68% Tunisian_Jewish + 32% Sardinian @ 6.36 8 55.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 44.7% Sardinian @ 6.49 9 52.1% Jordanian + 47.9% Sardinian @ 6.63 10 67.9% Libyan_Jewish + 32.1% Sardinian @ 6.87 11 54.5% Syrian + 45.5% Sardinian @ 6.95 12 75.2% Italian_Jewish + 24.8% Sardinian @ 7.36 13 52.6% Sardinian + 47.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 7.65 14 53.2% Sardinian + 46.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 7.76 15 72.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 27.9% Sardinian @ 7.85 16 50.6% Bedouin + 49.4% Sardinian @ 8.21 17 57.9% Sardinian + 42.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 8.38 18 97.6% Algerian_Jewish + 2.4% French_Basque @ 9.02 19 98.2% Algerian_Jewish + 1.8% Southwest_French @ 9.07 20 98.4% Algerian_Jewish + 1.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 9.08

Greek from Kos

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Eurogenes K13 Oracle results: K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013 Kit *redacted* Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 East_Med 35.8 2 West_Med 23.88 3 West_Asian 16.11 4 North_Atlantic 9.48 5 Baltic 6.09 6 Red_Sea 5.67 7 East_Asian 0.99 8 Sub-Saharan 0.94 9 Oceanian 0.86 10 South_Asian 0.18 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Algerian_Jewish 7.09 2 South_Italian 7.45 3 Cyprian 8.55 4 Italian_Jewish 8.59 5 Sephardic_Jewish 8.74 6 East_Sicilian 9.06 7 Ashkenazi 9.65 8 Central_Greek 9.69 9 Tunisian_Jewish 10.44 10 Libyan_Jewish 11.3 11 West_Sicilian 12.83 12 Italian_Abruzzo 13.83 13 Lebanese_Muslim 14.05 14 Syrian 15.62 15 Samaritan 16.04 16 Greek_Thessaly 16.12 17 Lebanese_Christian 17.02 18 Lebanese_Druze 18.24 19 Turkish 18.59 20 Jordanian 18.7 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 83.8% Cyprian + 16.2% Southwest_French @ 3.75 2 54.4% South_Italian + 45.6% Cyprian @ 3.8 3 76.9% Cyprian + 23.1% North_Italian @ 3.8 4 61.7% Cyprian + 38.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.91 5 53.9% Cyprian + 46.1% Central_Greek @ 3.95 6 83.5% Cyprian + 16.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.97 7 51.8% Cyprian + 48.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.99 8 71.8% Cyprian + 28.2% Tuscan @ 4.05 9 82.3% Cyprian + 17.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.07 10 81.8% Cyprian + 18.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.12 11 82.4% Cyprian + 17.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.16 12 67.6% Cyprian + 32.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.19 13 82.9% Cyprian + 17.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.23 14 82.9% Cyprian + 17.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.23 15 82% Cyprian + 18% Portuguese @ 4.26 16 81.8% Cyprian + 18.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.27 17 81.9% Cyprian + 18.1% Sardinian @ 4.28 18 83.9% Cyprian + 16.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.29 19 82.9% Cyprian + 17.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.31 20 87.1% Cyprian + 12.9% French_Basque @ 4.34

Spoiler!

:roll eyes

Mycenaean steppe admixture had insignificant amount of 'Baltic'. Most modern Dodecanese islanders score more Baltic than ancient Greeks. Baltic didn't come out of nowhere, and it didn't come from adjacent populations (Italy, West Asia) as they too had no Baltic. So where do you propose it came from? Do you think it appeared out of thin air? :coffee:

I'm proposing that it 100% appeared out of thin air, yes.

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Originally Posted by Roman-Anatolian

Thanks Konstantine. I was always wondering, are Pontians just hellenized or could we actually have some greek in our dna. If we trust the accuracy of these dna companies and programs we might have some. Who knows for sure? At least that is what we know from history.

Pontic Greeks have been Greek for 3000 years("θάλαττα θάλαττα"). They are as Greek as other Greeks. The question is do you have mainland ancestry? Yes you do but no harm if you didn`t.

I see the Slavic agenda is well underway. Excellent. Of course noone cares to explain the complete lack of linguistic and cultural traces of Slavs in Greeks. Neither the simple fact that Greeks look clearly distinguishable from Bulgarians let alone Poles or Ukrainians. People know everything with almost no samples. Genetics means shit if they don`t allign with facts. Don`t forget Icelanders: they are much different than their ancestors because genetic drift.

Rant over.

You guys need to pick one: either he is what he says he is - Pontic mixed with Russian or he's what his genetic results show - Pontic mixed with mainlander/west Anatolian Greek. Currently, you're picking and choosing details from each narrative without a proper justification.

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Originally Posted by Konstantinos

I see the Slavic agenda is well underway. Excellent. Of course noone cares to explain the complete lack of linguistic and cultural traces of Slavs in Greeks. Neither the simple fact that Greeks look clearly distinguishable from Bulgarians let alone Poles or Ukrainians. People know everything with almost no samples. Genetics means shit if they don`t allign with facts. Don`t forget Icelanders: they are much different than their ancestors because genetic drift.

Rant over.

The problem is that you keep insinuating that ancient Greeks were more 'northern' shifted than they actually were. You do realize they came from Anatolia, right? And, their admixture was mostly Early Farmer mixed with some Kura-Araxes. Their steppe admixture was extremely minminal, so if we actually got Indo-European language from Yamnaya they didn't effect the admixture much of Greek or Anatolian cultures that picked up IE languages much at all.

Now, modern mainlanders except for Cretans and Greek islanders have completely lost the Kura-Araxes admixture and gained more Yamnaya admixture. When do you think this event occured? I know there is a big lack of ancient Greek samples, and if we have some from even the early AD period we'd be able to confirm or deny certain theories. But I don't know why you would be ashamed to have some slight South Slavic admixture anyways. Many Greeks have Albanian and Bulgarian ancestry, why do you not like the idea of that?

About language and culture - the people who moved into Greece were not 100% Slavs. They were our northern neighbours who already had some Slavic admixture, AKA south Slavs. You seem to think they are the same as a Ukrainian or something, but they're not. The admixture is similar to ours but lacking the Kura-Araxes as I showed before, now you need to stop coming up with conspiracy theories - mainland Greece was never isolated like Iceland so I'm not sure why you're making a comparison.

Honest question here, do you think Greek admixture remained the same during these events?

https://i.imgur.com/EYf0Gfv.gif
https://i.imgur.com/4gxJdOh.gif
https://i.imgur.com/V19gJzO.gif

I doubt it, but I'm open to hear why you don't believe admixture did not change when there is so much evidence it did.

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Originally Posted by AncientGreek

The problem is that you keep insinuating that ancient Greeks were more 'northern' shifted than they actually were. You do realize they came from Anatolia, right? And, their admixture was mostly Early Farmer mixed with some Kura-Araxes. Their steppe admixture was extremely minminal, so if we actually got Indo-European language from Yamnaya they didn't effect the admixture much of Greek or Anatolian cultures that picked up IE languages much at all.

Now, modern mainlanders except for Cretans and Greek islanders have completely lost the Kura-Araxes admixture and gained more Yamnaya admixture. When do you think this event occured? I know there is a big lack of ancient Greek samples, and if we have some from even the early AD period we'd be able to confirm or deny certain theories. But I don't know why you would be ashamed to have some slight South Slavic admixture anyways. Many Greeks have Albanian and Bulgarian ancestry, why do you not like the idea of that?

About language and culture - the people who moved into Greece were not 100% Slavs. They were our northern neighbours who already had some Slavic admixture, AKA south Slavs. You seem to think they are the same as a Ukrainian or something, but they're not. The admixture is similar to ours but lacking the Kura-Araxes as I showed before, now you need to stop coming up with conspiracy theories - mainland Greece was never isolated like Iceland so I'm not sure why you're making a comparison.

Honest question here, do you think Greek admixture remained the same during these events?

https://i.imgur.com/EYf0Gfv.gif
https://i.imgur.com/4gxJdOh.gif
https://i.imgur.com/V19gJzO.gif

I doubt it, but I'm open to hear why you don't believe admixture did not change when there is so much evidence it did.

Thats not evidence.

It's like saying this is evidence of Yamnaya input

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...century_BC.png

Thats just para politicking. Greek and Celtic expansion actually met.

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Originally Posted by Pine

You guys need to pick one: either he is what he says he is - Pontic mixed with Russian or he's what his genetic results show - Pontic mixed with mainlander/west Anatolian Greek. Currently, you're picking and choosing details from each narrative without a proper justification.

Its not that easy - he gets different results from different calculators but he is closer to Greek_Azov.

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Originally Posted by Konstantinos

I see the Slavic agenda is well underway. Excellent. Of course noone cares to explain the complete lack of linguistic and cultural traces of Slavs in Greeks. Neither the simple fact that Greeks look clearly distinguishable from Bulgarians let alone Poles or Ukrainians. People know everything with almost no samples. Genetics means shit if they don`t allign with facts. Don`t forget Icelanders: they are much different than their ancestors because genetic drift.

Rant over.

https://www.google.hr/search?q=slavi...EHr3XDUd9dMm6M

I really don't understand why some Greeks deny well documented Slavic settlement in Greece.
Even to this day there are slavophone villages in northern Greece, after all that assimilation.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

https://www.google.hr/search?q=slavi...EHr3XDUd9dMm6M

I really don't understand why some Greeks deny well documented Slavic settlement in Greece.
Even to this day there are slavophone villages in northern Greece, after all that assimilation.

Its not that we deny it - South Slavs are not actually Slavs themselves.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

https://www.google.hr/search?q=slavi...EHr3XDUd9dMm6M

I really don't understand why some Greeks deny well documented Slavic settlement in Greece.
Even to this day there are slavophone villages in northern Greece, after all that assimilation.

Yeah and only in Northern Greece realy ,there were no slavophone regions in the rest of Greece

Slavs left some admixture in Mainland Greece but they didn't have a massive impact everywhere neither did they invade or dominate whole of Greece for a long time if they would there would be no Greece today but it would be just another Balkan Slavic country like Croatia,Serbia or Bulgaria but its not