Ancestry DNA 2024 UPDATE!

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Originally Posted by rothaer

In case of 23andMe and the Ashkenazi Jewish (AJ) component it's not exaggerated. When there would be shown 0.1% there can be made a question mark but when 0.2% or more AJ is shown at 23andMe then it can be considered applicable, except for when it is Sephard-mediated. Full Sephards score roughly 15% AJ, likely because of some old commonality.

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So do you know cases where somebody with 0.2% AJ has found that ancestor of AJ origin? With such small % it is easy to speculate and suggest that somebody doesn't know all ancestors from 500-1000 years ago. I mean, it is nearly impossible to prove.

Ancestry has 1% as the lowest possible mark and even with that it is questionable. Like 1% Baltic or 3% Russia in the case of my mother is simply noise. My experience tells me that, I never can find a proof of those small % in genealogical documentation.

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Originally Posted by Geba

So do you know cases where somebody with 0.2% AJ has found that ancestor of AJ origin? With such small % it is easy to speculate and suggest that somebody doesn't know all ancestors from 500-1000 years ago. I mean, it is nearly impossible to prove.

Ancestry has 1% as the lowest possible mark and even with that it is questionable. Like 1% Baltic or 3% Russia in the case of my mother is simply noise. My experience tells me that, I never can find a proof of those small % in genealogical documentation.

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I have 0,6% on 23andme and found the ancestress in the 7th generation.

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Originally Posted by Geba

So do you know cases where somebody with 0.2% AJ has found that ancestor of AJ origin? With such small % it is easy to speculate and suggest that somebody doesn't know all ancestors from 500-1000 years ago. I mean, it is nearly impossible to prove.

Ancestry has 1% as the lowest possible mark and even with that it is questionable. Like 1% Baltic or 3% Russia in the case of my mother is simply noise. My experience tells me that, I never can find a proof of those small % in genealogical documentation.

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0.1%-0.3% AJ means fully Jewish ancestor that lived only 200 years ago. It's not that long ago, if it comes from one side of your family

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Originally Posted by Abriekman

0.1%-0.3% AJ means fully Jewish ancestor that lived only 200 years ago. It's not that long ago, if it comes from one side of your family

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I can't find 19% Balkan for my mother, considering it to overlap with Central and eastern Europe, but okay, seems all can find Jewish, even if it is 0.1%, a truly chosen nation.

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Originally Posted by Erronkari

Here's mine.
I really liked the changes, it sounds very accurate.
The only doubt I have is they removed completely "France", and I am sure I have roots in Aquitaine, but may be they consider them in the "basque spectrum", who knows...

The other doubt I have, is I don't have only an "ancestral region", which is in northeastern Spain and Southwestern France, but what I don't have is "migrations" outside of the Old World... but if I see the side of the page "parent 1" and "parent 2" there appear many migration routes, but it's ok, I am not going to spoil this thread... may be I will do another one. Cheers. In general aspects I liked the changes. :thumb001:


Current regions.
https://i.postimg.cc/VLCzzsDb/Ancestry-Fran-princ2.jpg

Changes.
https://i.postimg.cc/vBsVtST0/Ancestry-cambios.jpg

Ancesral journey region.
https://i.postimg.cc/P5vvsk86/Ancest...igraciones.jpg

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The French is now inside of the Spanish :)

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Originally Posted by Damião de Góis

Yeah, i had not noticed that.

https://i.imgur.com/wBWLH2R.png

North Africa one looks strange too, that's not how the distribution goes:

https://i.imgur.com/TxkKcoB.png

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Originally Posted by michal3141

100% Central & Eastern Europe (lost 3% of Baltics compared to the last year update).

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100% POLSKA!!! Fajnie! :D

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Originally Posted by Geba

Mamusia, she is even more southern than me

https://i.postimg.cc/yYYnKx4h/114345.png

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These results are quite similiar to mine!

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Originally Posted by Mr.G

Here is my sister's result, similar to mine:

https://i.imgur.com/AoUsaZH.png

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Quite accurate results for both of you!!! :)

Lots of overfitting confusing people with results. The usual. Also some labeling issues, i think could be more accurately labeled. The island communities picked up by many in Britain is a bit odd. Otherwise i do find updates exciting, and its nice to see new populations for many, for the first time. :)

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Originally Posted by Geba

So do you know cases where somebody with 0.2% AJ has found that ancestor of AJ origin? With such small % it is easy to speculate and suggest that somebody doesn't know all ancestors from 500-1000 years ago. I mean, it is nearly impossible to prove.

Ancestry has 1% as the lowest possible mark and even with that it is questionable. Like 1% Baltic or 3% Russia in the case of my mother is simply noise. My experience tells me that, I never can find a proof of those small % in genealogical documentation.

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The main way to prove it is to determine the segments oneself thoroughly and laboriously by matches at GEDmatch with full AJ people and then see that 23andMe does perfectly determine the same segments.

But I can anecdotally tell that I know someone that genealogically had a Jew 10 generations back (1/1014) and he perfectly got 0,1% AJ and his father that had the same ancestor 9 generations back (1/512) perfectly got 0.2% AJ at 23andMe. As I said, this is just anecdotally as the real inheritage often is not that perfectly in line with the statistical expectation.

Note that I speak of 23andMe and AJ, not of any other combination. The reference to any other provider or component is irrelevant for this matter.

REGIONS

https://i.ibb.co/Jjn4VCb/image.png
JOURNEYS
https://i.ibb.co/BCK9dZf/image.png

Not shure how well this separation of EE and Russia is, i got a feeling it will give a lot of mixed results.

https://i.imgur.com/V4b7rOU.jpeg

https://i.ibb.co/grNH9qQ/Scores.png

https://i.ibb.co/Nm46YWr/Journeys.png

Results turned out to be July 2024 estimations, it seems? 24 hours later I now have Stories and results went from Updated in October to Last Updated in July. It seems everyone's results are now saying updated in July. There is a theory on reddit that they might have released the rough estimations from back in July by mistake. Maybe we await round 2 for October update.

https://i.postimg.cc/vTTCXbsL/image.png

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Originally Posted by Not a Cop

Not shure how well this separation of EE and Russia is, i got a feeling it will give a lot of mixed results.

https://i.imgur.com/V4b7rOU.jpeg

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I saw on a Polish facebook group for genetic genealogy quite some Poles score 2-5% of this new Russian component.
I wonder how about Russians + one more question: do Volga-Ural and Siberian people of Russia get their own components in Ancestry or they are all groupped under Russian component?

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Originally Posted by michal3141

I saw on a Polish facebook group for genetic genealogy quite some Poles score 2-5% of this new Russian component.
I wonder how about Russians + one more question: do Volga-Ural and Siberian people of Russia get their own components in Ancestry or they are all groupped under Russian component?

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I guess they get their own, but haven't checked.

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Originally Posted by michal3141

I saw on a Polish facebook group for genetic genealogy quite some Poles score 2-5% of this new Russian component.
I wonder how about Russians + one more question: do Volga-Ural and Siberian people of Russia get their own components in Ancestry or they are all groupped under Russian component?

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In my opinion it was a mistake to separate the regions like that. Some partial Russians don't have it at all and get Central and Eastern Europe instead.

It will be a mess just like NW Europeans have

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Originally Posted by Abriekman

In my opinion it was a mistake to separate the regions like that. Some partial Russians don't have it at all and get Central and Eastern Europe instead.

It will be a mess just like NW Europeans have

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Politics. Putting Hungarians and Slovenes together in one component with Ukrainians but separating Russians will definitely lead to some interesting results.

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Originally Posted by Eurafricanid

The French is now inside of the Spanish :)

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Fernando VII recovered his crown one more time. ;). :thumb001:

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Originally Posted by Not a Cop

Not shure how well this separation of EE and Russia is, i got a feeling it will give a lot of mixed results.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/V4b7rOU.jpeg

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This company has never been available in Russia.

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Originally Posted by michal3141

Politics. Putting Hungarians and Slovenes together in one component with Ukrainians but separating Russians will definitely lead to some interesting results.

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That makes no sense in my opinion. Russians who take the test would get confused when they see they're like 50 percent Russian and 50 percent other things.

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My Ancestry DNA update is attached below. Overall, it's a closer match to my genealogical research. The 1% Baltics component is new, but not out of the question. The 1% Spain component is also new and harder to reconcile to my family tree.

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I've gone up to 2% NA :(

https://i.imgur.com/dC0g53E.jpg

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Originally Posted by frankhammer

They're slowly turning me Scottish. Also looks like the Channel islands is the "new thing". Strong associations...

https://i.imgur.com/bLzZ8wZ.jpg

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I apparently have a 'strong connection' with it too. I like Jersey caramels...

Perhaps so many people getting Channel Islands is a manifestation of medieval Norman ancestry? Probably wishful thinking. There maybe truth in the quote by John Everett Millais, when someone said that England conquered Jersey he replied "Never! It was Jersey that conquered England".

Ancestry just changed the name of Southern Italy, now it says: Southern Italy & the Eastern Mediterranean. Weird change tbh...
https://i.postimg.cc/Jn0LdJrP/k-p.png

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Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári

Ancestry just changed the name of Southern Italy, now it says: Southern Italy & the Eastern Mediterranean. Weird change tbh...
https://i.postimg.cc/Jn0LdJrP/k-p.png

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Came here to mention this. A bit silly imo

Regarding the renaming of the Southern Italy region:

My guess is that for this update Ancestry was attempting to increase precision/recall for Southern Italians (by adding more East Med-shifted Southern Italian samples), the consequence being that Eastern Mediterranean folks (Greek Islands, Turks, etc) can now score a sizable % of the Southern Italy region. So I'm surprised that the update was not released with this new name already in place, as the admixture map for the region clearly shows the East Med affinity.

I think on balance it was better how Ancestry handled this issue in the previous version, with the Southern Italians showing the East Med/West Asian admixture. This new change is probably going to lead to a lot of confusion.

Has anyone else lost a subregion? my Northern Isles subregion has disappeared, so much for the strong connection.

https://i.imgur.com/hMsspwn.png

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Originally Posted by Albannach

Has anyone else lost a subregion? my Northern Isles subregion has disappeared, so much for the strong connection.

https://i.imgur.com/hMsspwn.png

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Yeah I lost my subregions

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Originally Posted by Albannach

Has anyone else lost a subregion? my Northern Isles subregion has disappeared, so much for the strong connection.

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Yes, I originally had a Northern Isles subregion in Scotland and a Channel Isles subregion in England. Neither is consistent with my well researched ancestry (although, I keep an open mind on these things). The Channel Isles disappeared before I could copy my results to post here previously. The Northern Isles are gone now as well. In addition, the data on this update is now July 2024, instead of October 2024. I assume that Ancestry is working out some bugs in their system.

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Originally Posted by Albannach

Has anyone else lost a subregion? my Northern Isles subregion has disappeared, so much for the strong connection.

https://i.imgur.com/hMsspwn.png

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Yes my daughter and for Scotland as well. She originally had this below.

https://i.postimg.cc/JrpQFc0q/Screen...-10-060242.png

Now she only has the Highlands.

https://i.postimg.cc/4d5mwY7y/Screen...-12-110125.png

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Originally Posted by ShieldWolf

Yes, I originally had a Northern Isles subregion in Scotland and a Channel Isles subregion in England. Neither is consistent with my well researched ancestry (although, I keep an open mind on these things). The Channel Isles disappeared before I could copy my results to post here previously. The Northern Isles are gone now as well. In addition, the data on this update is now July 2024, instead of October 2024. I assume that Ancestry is working out some bugs in their system.

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I noticed something on your map. Your English and NW Europe colored region shows just middle and eastern England, so is that category just akin to Anglo-Saxon rather than recent NW Europe (these kinds of things are minor pet peeves)?

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Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic

I noticed something on your map. Your English and NW Europe colored region shows just middle and eastern England, so is that category just akin to Anglo-Saxon rather than recent NW Europe (these kinds of things are minor pet peeves)?

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I know this is addressed to Sheildwolf and he will most likely comment as well but no it is not just that see map below and where it is also found.

https://i.postimg.cc/rmnqKxR1/Screen...-12-112553.png

https://i.postimg.cc/Wzxj7Vnt/Screen...-12-112951.png

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

I know this is addressed to Sheildwolf and he will most likely comment as well but no it is not just that see map below and where it is also found.

https://i.postimg.cc/rmnqKxR1/Screen...-12-112553.png

https://i.postimg.cc/Wzxj7Vnt/Screen...-12-112951.png

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Ah, it showed just England in his original map. Of course, he edited his post. I don't like the way that they combine England and Northwest Europe. It's like mixing the Irish with the Scottish, which may show that it often comes down to shared ethnicities if the populations remain stable.

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Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic

Ah, it showed just England in his original map. Of course, he edited his post. I don't like the way that they combine England and Northwest Europe. It's like mixing the Irish with the Scottish, which may show that it often comes down to shared ethnicities if the populations remain stable.

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I think it is impossible to separate populations by borders. Some areas just have too much cross over. Ireland and the west of Scotland is impossible to separate and then of course there is Northern Ireland.

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

I think it is impossible to separate populations by borders. Some areas just have too much cross over. Ireland and the west of Scotland is impossible to separate and then of course there is Northern Ireland.

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Yep, that's what I'm saying. Immigration muddies (no ethnic slur implied) the waters too.

I also lost Channel Islands, just have Munster to get rid of now.

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Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic

Ah, it showed just England in his original map. Of course, he edited his post. I don't like the way that they combine England and Northwest Europe. It's like mixing the Irish with the Scottish, which may show that it often comes down to shared ethnicities if the populations remain stable.

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Agreed, or like mixing British with Irish on 23andme! The fact that they still call Germany 'Germanic Europe' is also a pet peeve.

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Originally Posted by Creoda

I also lost Channel Islands, just have Munster to get rid of now.

Agreed, or like mixing British with Irish on 23andme! The fact that they still call Germany 'Germanic Europe' is also a pet peeve.

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They don't seem to be improving with their updating in some instances. They're on the verge of entering the My Heritage realm.

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Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic

I noticed something on your map. Your English and NW Europe colored region shows just middle and eastern England, so is that category just akin to Anglo-Saxon rather than recent NW Europe (these kinds of things are minor pet peeves)?

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It's the area where the population with this DNA is most dense. If you click on the arrow for the region, you get an expanded population map like Grace O'Malley posted.