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Originally Posted by Ylla
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Wow, congratulationsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ylla
Half Sardinian enters the chat:
Target: FISK
Distance: 1.5326% / 0.01532647
61.2 European_Early_Farmers
11.8 Levant_Neolithic
11.2 Steppe
7.0 Iran_Neolithic
3.4 Western_HG
3.2 Caucasus_HG
1.2 East-Asian_Neolithic
0.6 Eastern_HG
0.4 Iberomaurissian
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ylla
Can someone explain that to me? Why do Balkanic EEFs have bad distances compared to Western ones? I thought the Slavic drift only effected North-Eastern Euros…Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Fiskero
Low WHGQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Fiskero
High Neolithic Levant
Not a very typical nuragic results.
Well that’s my standard Davidiski results:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flashball
Target: FISK
Distance: 1.8547% / 0.01854658
56.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
11.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.2 WHG
3.6 Levant_PPNB
1.0 Han
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
As I mentioned earlier, being half Sardinian and half Roman, my genetic results won’t perfectly match those of a full-blooded Sardinian. Additionally, G25 is not qpAdm and components like Levant and Barcin can get mixed up. Different G25 calculators can also yield varying results
Target: nrinehi
Distance: 8.0362% / 0.08036160
47.6 Steppe
33.0 European_Early_Farmers
12.0 Western_HG
7.4 Eastern_HG
Bad distance
Target: VASILIKI_scaled
Distance: 3.2248% / 0.03224802
60.4 European_Early_Farmers
36.0 Steppe
1.8 Iran_Neolithic
1.2 Caucasus_HG
0.6 Western_HG
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.2236% / 0.05223643
44.8 Steppe
43.4 European_Early_Farmers
8.6 Western_HG
3.2 Eastern_HG
Target: Shardana_G25_Scaled
Distance: 2.8532% / 0.02853238
78.6 European_Early_Farmers
12.4 Western_HG
5.6 Steppe
1.8 Iberomaurissian
1.2 Iran_Neolithic
0.4 Caucasus_HG
me probably
mate , no Sardinian has levantine...this is maybe for terroni who are half jewish but not Sardinians:picard1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Fiskero
also wtf is this nuragic when your dna result is definetly not sardinian, very very middle eastern mixed...
My friend, you really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. I said I’m half Sardinian, my mother’s family is from Rome and my father is from Assemini.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
And why on earth would I be considered "Middle Eastern mixed"? Lol, because of 3.6% Levant_PPNB? Please.
There are only three possible reasons for your message:
1) you are retarded
2) you are a troll
3) You have no idea what you're talking about
I'm hoping it's number 2. Ajò!
mate, in Assemini they are already barely Sardinian and yes you are obviously very middle eastern shifted which all southern italians are, Terroni can be modeled as roughly half Levantine half Italic if you dont believe me just try running some models yourself.. judging from your results you have about 20% MENA admixture which is unheard of in Sardinians, Tepecik ciftlik is east mediterranean and doesnt show up in sardinians who are purely Barcin + WHG + low percentages of Yamnaya and North African. i am not a troll i am just saying the truth southern italians are half european at mostQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Fiskero
take a look at this simple model if you dont believe me and look at the distance.
Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 0.3217% / 0.00321750
39.8 Greek
20.6 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
18.8 Germanic
12.6 Imperial_Roman_Levant
6.0 Italic
2.0 Berber
0.2 Arab_Islamic_Expansion
Target: Sardinian
Distance: 0.9747% / 0.00974685
68.4 Sardinian_Nuragic
17.2 Italic
11.6 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
2.8 Berber
the slight Caucasian/East med shift in modern Sardinians was surprise surprise brought by the Imperial Roman colonizers who are the ancestors to your terrone side..it wasnt present before roman conquest
Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4704% / 0.01470352
48.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 TUR_Barcin_N
5.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.8 Levant_PPNB
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.2 WHG
Target: Sardinian
Distance: 3.4393% / 0.03439282
81.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
I think you are the winner. Gixajo the contest organizer is absent to give you the 1st place trophy :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
Ramses III probably twitched a bit in his display case.
Amico mio,you kinda sound like a Sardinian supremacist, lol ... I kinda like it. Anyway, sadly, you fell right into my first guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
First of all, "terroni" is a term coined by the very people who nearly wiped out the Sardinian language, and it was never used to refer to central Italians. In fact, Sardinians themselves were lumped into that category. Also, Genetically, Southern Italians closely resemble ancient Greeks, aside from an estimated 10% Middle Eastern admixture (levantine)
oh no 'mate' look at those middle eastern myceneans ... maybe Achilles was a Sheikh afterall...
Attachment 142469
Back to my own results… You do know that the coasts of Sardinia were under Punic rule, right? Okay, maybe I’m not as "pure" as you are ... I’m guessing you’re Barbaricino or something? That’s cool, I respect that, but in which world that makes me not half sardinian? you are not fully nuragic either since you have like 5% steppe if we want to be 'pignoli'.
One last thing ... G25 is a recreational tool. It’s not used by scientists or anthropologists in any official capacity(contrary to qpadm). In fact, components like Levant vs. Barcin/Tepecik or Iran_N vs. CHG can easily get mixed up. Even the testing companies (like MyHeritage, Ancestry, etc.) can give you slightly different results, depending on their models and databases. So yeah...don’t bet your life on those numbers, okay?
A si biri!!
Im not a supremacist of anythig it is just you who has a hard time admitting southern Italians are heavily middle eastern mixed and that this is unheard of in any sardinians, at most some Sardinian males carry J2 and j1 haplogroups in minority to the dominant I2a, G2a and R1B, but in autosomal DNA it is a much different case, what does it matter if i have a little bit of steppe which was probably brought by pre Imperial Italic colonizers..which are anyways ironically closer to modern Sardinians because they dont lack on WHG and they dont have the heavy MENA component of modern Italians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Fiskero
Distance to: Shardana_G25_Scaled
0.06531517 Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)
Distance to: Italian_Apulia
0.08041991 Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)
Distance to: Italian_Campania
0.08567181 Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)
first of all , you ignored the model i sent you where South italians show up as roughly 40% Greek and the rest MENA, the "Ancient Greek" samples you sent are fitst Minoans which were basically pure Neolithic farmers and cant be taken as a true base for most southern Italians because of the Mycenean invasion and even the Myceneans were MENA admixed mostly with Anatolian/Caucasian elements, and its bullshit southern italians are mainy ancient greek as the imperial roman period drastically changed the Italian peninsulas genetics.
even Greeks from Italy are only roughly half ancient Greek and show heavy imperial roman west asian admix
Target: Greek_Italy_Calabria
Distance: 1.8725% / 0.01872539
46.2 Greek
30.4 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
14.6 Germanic
7.4 Berber
1.4 Arab_Islamic_Expansion
Target: Greek_Apulia
Distance: 0.7348% / 0.00734763
50.8 Greek
24.8 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
22.6 Germanic
1.8 Berber
second, if we are technical the derogatory term for Sardinians is Sardignolo not Terrone, only Terroni with an inferiority complex want to lump in Sardinians with their third world shithole like modern Rome is, it is a fact Rome is like terronia and is pretty much a shithole nowadays, and i dont care what Padanians say either..also its clear your levantine side is from your South Italian side idk why you have a hard time accepting this, i have seen some samples from southern sardinia and at most they have more North African and Steppe...not LNF or CHG,
the Punic samples we have actually have a pretty European genetic profile anyways.
Target: Tunisia_Punic.SG
Distance: 1.9424% / 0.01942446
36.0 TUR_Barcin_N
35.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
19.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.0 WHG
3.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Han
even in major testing companies like Myheritage, 23andme etc Southern Italians get up to 30% MENA so i dont understand what is hard to understand here.
lastly, yes i am 2/4 from Ogliastra, 1/4 Barbagia and 1/4 Logudoro and these areas are the heart of Sardinia, so yes they are more Sardinian than areas like Assemini:thumb001:
At nos bident!!
Distance to: Kenshiro_ScaledQuote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
0.03759019 South_Balkans:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.04353924 Picentini:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
Distance to: Sardinian
0.10268228 Picentini:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
"Near to pre-imperial Italic colonizer"
I'm Literally from Gargano promontory, North East Apulia
Distance to: Sardinian:
0.09216024 Picenes
Distance to: Kenshiro_Scaled
0.05340782 Picenes
Target: Kruzek_scaled
Distance: 4.9745% / 0.04974498
46.2 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
39.0 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
9.2 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
5.6 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
:D
what does this have to do with anything i said? the Picene samples we have are much more rich in Yamnaya and eastern shifted than Italic Latin samples, probably in the pre imperial adriatic there was more steppe rich ptofiles as opposed to more WHG heavy ones in the tyrhenian sea, judging from your results you seem to be an outlier for southern Italy as you have a steppe rich profile above the south Italian average but still even you have a Caucasian/Anatolian shift and an east med base and the distance to the samples you showed is still very distant, if you want to stay truthful show your distance to some imperial roman era samplesQuote:
Originally Posted by Kenshiro
Distance to: Italy_Marche_IA_Picene_Novilara_(n=28)
0.01357350 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.01651123 Italian_Veneto
0.01791531 Italian_Bergamo
0.02162788 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02321942 Italian_Northeast
Distance to: Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
0.03128867 Italian_Jew
0.03413885 Italian_Calabria
0.03834857 Italian_Campania
0.04215727 Italian_Basilicata
0.04441446 Italian_Apulia
Among the forum members, you indisputably.(for now).Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
No need to insult Fiskero, by the way.
Target: me_scaled
Distance: 2.4254% / 0.02425434
63.2 European_Early_Farmers
30.0 Steppe
3.0 Caucasus_HG
2.0 Levant_Neolithic
1.6 Western_HG
0.2 Iberomaurissian
if admitting southern italians are heavily MENA admixed is an insult then i guess the truth hurts, i cant do anything about it if he him and other Southern italian forum members have a hard time accepting this which has been proven in both numeral studies and amateur tools like G25, anyways yep idk if there are other Sardinian forum members but i think some Sardinians will score more ANF than me since i seem to have more WHG and a bit of steppe that balances it out:thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Target: Shardana_G25_Scaled
Distance: 3.3015% / 0.03301477
77.8 TUR_Barcin_N
17.4 WHG
3.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
Target: Sardinian_Sulcis-Iglesiente_(n=24)
Distance: 2.7821% / 0.02782072
78.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.8 WHG
9.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
Target: Sardinian_North_(n=20)
Distance: 2.9461% / 0.02946144
81.0 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 WHG
4.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
Target: Sardinian_Benetutti_(n=25)
Distance: 3.5152% / 0.03515235
80.2 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 WHG
6.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
Target: Sardinian_Ogliastra
Distance: 3.4393% / 0.03439282
81.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
if you check this simple pca you can see the Italic samples are clearly more west med shifted towards sardinians , and that South Italians have shifted eastwards and southwards compared to ancient greek samples, it doesnt take a genius to understand that this eastern and southern shift is due to Anatolian and Levantine admix and that the West med shift is due to Barcin + WHGQuote:
Originally Posted by Kenshiro
Attachment 142479
Tbh i'm not offended because you seem a pretty confused person. The sample I shared is largely Mycenaean and shows a heavy Tepecik component. Tepecik isn’t MENA at all,most papers lump it with Barcın as part of Early European Farmer (EEF) ancestry. You don’t seem to grasp that. Second, Terroni is an insult that (unfortunately) covers southern Italians and Sardinians(in addition to sardignolo, you have 2 for your joy), not central Italians. Ask anyone north of Tuscany,you’ll hear the same. MENA refers to Levant_PPNB and Taforalt. If you really want to stretch it, you can count IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N, though it fits better in a Caucasus cluster. Saying everything except Barcın, WHG, and Yamnaya is MENA is just your opinion. Remember, Yamnaya itself is a mix of CHG, and EHG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
And what’s withAre you trying to be a disciple of Sizzi the hunch-backed, forty warehouse worker? Come on, man the sardinians that i know are better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
At last here are my distances to
ancient:
Distance to: FISK
0.03014529 Italy_Sardinia_IA_1:I10366
0.03295763 Italy_Sardinia_SantImbenia_RomanImperial.SG:R11834 .SG
0.03815222 Bulgaria_IA:I5769
0.03871139 Hungary_Tiszaregion_EAvar:I18185
0.03925625 Hungary_EarlyAvar:SZK-102.SG
0.03945768 Italy_IA_Republic_oEasternMediterranean.SG:R437.SG
0.03970938 Romania_C_Bodrogkeresztur_o1:I15623
0.04017013 Hungary_LateAvar:KK1-251.SG
0.04045368 Bulgaria_EIA:I20183
0.04166183 Bulgaria_EIA:I20185
and Modern populations:
Distance to: FISK
0.03677253 French_Corsica:Corsica03708
0.03889804 French_Corsica:CorsicaS10208
0.04054517 French_Corsica:corsica1308
0.04265542 French_Corsica:Corsica19508
0.04465179 Greek_Apulia:PuG17
0.04584642 Italian_Basilicata:PG25
0.04587432 French_Corsica:CorsicaS03308
0.04639859 Greek_Laconia:639
0.04749697 Greek_South_Tsakonia:TSAK-7
0.04754214 Italian_Calabria:PG2012_424
As expected, I’m a mix of Italic and Sardinian .. just like I said in my earlier messages.
Since you seem comfortable throwing around slurs like Terroni to label someone’s family, you really should be banned. We’re all anonymous behind a screen it's easy to say that. I don’t believe a true Shardana rebel warrior would ever act like that :rolleyes:
I obviously have a Caucasian/Anatolian component without a shadow of a doubt, my east med part is mainly Greek, I simply responded to your statement that the Sardinians were more similar to the pre-imperial Italics of southern Italy than southern Italy itself, bringing my actual proof of the fact that this is not the case, at least I am southern and no Sardinian is closer to the people who inhabited my land at that time than me, for obvious geographical reasons, for the "thyrrenian" side i don't know probably can beQuote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
ahah you are taking it way too personal when i am simply showing you scientific evidence, you seem to be the confused one on the topic and clearly dont have a solid grasp on how autosomal dna and G25 works, Tepecik ciftlik is much more mixed with Natufian and Zagros than Barcin is, Tepecik in europe is Only present in South italians, Greeks and Balkans because of imperial roman admix no other major european group has it instead they have Barcin which is mostly AHG+ minor zagros/Natufian and WHGQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Fiskero
infact Tepecik is the main Farmer component in middle easternerns meaning that in europe it came from them..if the Italic samples were purely barcin, and modern italians are Tepecik it means that it came later through Imperial roman admixture..sigh
Target: Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)
Distance: 3.7200% / 0.03720033
63.4 TUR_Barcin_N
25.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 WHG
Target: Italian_Lazio
Distance: 1.7551% / 0.01755101
46.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.0 TUR_Barcin_N
2.8 WHG
2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
here are some major european groups compared to greeks and southern italians
Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.2020% / 0.03201964
54.8 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.0 WHG
4.6 MAR_Taforalt
Target: French_Paris
Distance: 3.9803% / 0.03980317
47.0 TUR_Barcin_N
40.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.4 WHG
Target: German
Distance: 3.8375% / 0.03837493
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
compare this to Southern Italians, Greeks and Lebanese for example.
Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 2.0335% / 0.02033529
37.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
32.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.0 TUR_Barcin_N
3.8 Levant_PPNB
1.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 WHG
0.2 Han
Target: Italian_(Southern_Italian_Profile)
Distance: 1.9299% / 0.01929944
59.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N
2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 WHG
Target: Lebanese_Christian
Distance: 1.7432% / 0.01743240
38.0 Levant_PPNB
22.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
21.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
13.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
second..Zagrosian is definetly a middle eastern component and it is crucial to Arabs and peaks in the balochi people of Iran and Pakistan , it came to Italy most likely from Anatolia.
Target: Balochi_Iran
Distance: 2.5441% / 0.02544122
42.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
19.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
16.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.0 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Han
1.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 WHG
Target: Iraqi_Arab_Central
Distance: 1.8121% / 0.01812095
37.4 Levant_PPNB
25.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
17.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
9.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
3.8 Israel_Natufian
1.2 Yoruba
1.0 Dinka
0.6 Han
third...this is your closest match in ancient populations...an individual from Sardinia which was definetly East med/MENA admixed like you are..not a Sardinian genetic profile
Target: Italy_Sardinia_IA_1:I10366__BC_294__Cov_58.72%
Distance: 1.9377% / 0.01937735
51.2 TUR_Barcin_N
22.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.4 Israel_Natufian
3.6 WHG
1.2 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Dinka
Distance to: Italy_Sardinia_IA_1:I10366__BC_294__Cov_58.72%
0.04721172 Belmonte_Jew
0.04778152 Italian_Calabria
0.04889838 Italian_Campania
0.05009548 Sicilian_East
0.05043201 Maltese
lastly...no you are not half Italic and half Sardinian..we can say you are half East med like all southern italians are and half Sardiian, if you dont mind try running this model with your coordinates.
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1,0.1314658,0 .1373502,0.0626022,0.0414247,0.0426232,0.0146418,0 .00376,0.0074422,0.0043975,-0.0009113,-0.0062925,0.0053578,-0.0145315,-0.0092552,0.0231742,0.0089828,-0.0034225,0.003199,0.004588,0.0073472,0.0083915,0. 0029988,-0.0017565,0.0143692,0.0003892
Syria_TellMasaikh_Medieval.SG,0.095611,0.123895,-0.059962,-0.063631,-0.023697,-0.017012,0.00282,-0.006,0.005113,-0.011299,0.006008,-0.014837,0.017245,0.003028,0.000814,0.008618,-0.022817,-0.005321,0.005656,0.004877,0.01148,0.001731,-0.002588,-0.001084,0.000479
Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.02795,0.139071,-0.008087,-0.07648,0.027732,-0.035202,-0.031387,0.005282,0.068425,0.029796,0.004006,-0.004388,0.019632,-0.016125,0.014092,-0.016905,0.000152,-0.02329,-0.046725,0.007858,-0.016831,-0.040428,0.028135,-0.004452,0.006367
Italy_IA_Republic.SG,0.1287827,0.1526196,0.0386817 ,-0.0130123,0.0465141,-0.0051793,0.0013764,-0.0002636,0.0220884,0.0411854,-0.0006729,0.0110687,-0.0197506,-0.0099481,-0.0009113,-0.0023489,0.0041536,0.0023167,0.0060516,-0.0023761,0.0003923,0.0031796,-0.004384,-0.0042517,-0.0018474
Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus,0.091817333,0.141 15833,-0.058202333,-0.06783,-0.024107,-0.014781333,0.002585,-0.006615,-0.018202667,-0.0039483333,0.0086606667,0.00059966667,-0.000049666667,0.00087166667,-0.0032123333,-0.004729,-0.00339,0.0010136667,0.0024303333,0.001042,0.00336 9,0.0019373333,0.000041,-0.0024503333,0.0055883333
Imperial_Roman_Levant,0.08508275,0.14852125,-0.05232525,-0.08438375,-0.0126945,-0.02754025,-0.006874,-0.007961,0.01222025,0.01070625,0.00223275,-0.00202325,0.0095145,-0.00244275,-0.005904,0.00338075,0.00678,0.00183675,-0.002011,0.00297,-0.00327575,0.006801,-0.00061625,-0.0035545,-0.0016165
Italy_Sardinia_BA_Nuragic,0.1293032,0.1755851,0.04 28787,-0.0545224,0.0799535,-0.0298132,-0.0050525,-0.0008999,0.0592096,0.0987174,-0.0011042,0.0161857,-0.0347272,-0.0104042,-0.0163949,-0.0045742,0.0135469,0.0051942,0.0050029,-0.0096422,0.0021962,0.0038331,-0.0137299,-0.0295223,-0.0003233
Greece_Delphi_BA_Mycenaean,0.1237828,0.1657852,0.0 016972,-0.0580592,0.0312365,-0.0270522,0.0008812,-0.0040382,0.0185092,0.04319,0.009581,0.010116,-0.017765,0.0015828,-0.0166257,-0.0075908,0.0145052,9.50E-05,0.013544,-0.0070345,-0.011199,0.0001855,0.0014483,0.0050005,0.000539
if you bring a cherrypicked high steppe sample then obviously its not gonna be close to sardinians, i showed you on the PCA with various individual samples that in general Italics were closer to modern day sardinians because of a west med WHG+Barcin component which is lacking in modern day southern italians..if you are ignoring the facts i cant do anything about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Kenshiro
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From post 105 out of curiosity:
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0199% / 0.01989908
90.5 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
5.0 Italy_IA_Republic.SG
2.0 Italy_Sardinia_BA_Nuragic
1.3 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
1.2 Syria_TellMasaikh_Medieval.SG
I also think some of those Long Beards have some southern admix.
Tbh I’m not the one who made this personal ... you did, with the whole “your terrone side” and “your colonizer ancestors” (lol?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
Looks like you thought it through and realized you're not a warrior nor a shardana you are just a dude(probably a kid) behind a screen :D now that you’ve toned it down, I’ll treat you like a normal human. An apology would still be the bare minimum for a man.
1)Yes, Tepecik carries more Iran/Levant (10 %) than Barcın, but it’s still basically the same Anatolian Early Farmer block. Most papers lump both under the EEF umbrella you’re exaggerating the gap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
2)Nope. You can pick up a Tepecik-shift in central & northern Italy (Tuscany, Emilia), plus SE Spain, Provence and Balearics already in the Late Bronze Age. Imperial flow boosted it, sure, but it's doesn't appear the first time in 0ADQuote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
3) East-Med ≠ “MENA”
There were three main eastern waves into the peninsula
Mycenaean/Bronze
Greek + Phoenician colonies
Imperial Rome
South Italians are Italics + Greeks + Phoenicians, but MOSTLY European not half, LOL
Those are my results from your calculator:
Target: FISK
Distance: 1.7787% / 0.01778731
42.0 Italy_IA_Republic.SG
24.4 Imperial_Roman_Levant
20.0 Italy_Sardinia_BA_Nuragic
13.4 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
0.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
Remember that G25 is not qpAdm (as I mentioned before). Some models give me 30-40% Steppe with a small distance
i dont think so idkQuote:
Originally Posted by Gannicus
Distance to: Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
0.01274141 Welsh
0.01310382 Dutch
0.01391221 English
0.01564682 English_Cornwall
0.01587694 Scottish
Target: Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
Distance: 4.5688% / 0.04568823
47.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.2 TUR_Barcin_N
14.6 WHG
Maybe I was thinking of the outlier individual samples. I think I remember looking at some of them and they had a good amount of admix from the locals. It's been a while since I looked at those Lombards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
I have too some Sardinian on 23andme 3.5% but i think because i have a little bit barcin more than average central-South ItalyQuote:
Originally Posted by Shardana
Target: Kenshiro_Scaled
Distance: 2.1073% / 0.02107274
39.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 WHG
0.8 Han
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
Han, LOL i'm Chinese ahaha
I would have liked to have an Egyptian shift, they honestly seemed like the coolest people of ancient times
yep you are definetly an outlier, this is more like a marchigiano profile even romagnoloQuote:
Originally Posted by Kenshiro
Target: Tallow97
Distance: 2.5042% / 0.02504153
48.6 European_Early_Farmers
46.0 Steppe
4.4 Western_HG
1.0 Iberomaurissian
Target: Repent-K13-sim_scaled
Distance: 4.4625% / 0.04462469
46.0 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
38.2 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
8.8 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
6.0 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
1.0 East-Asian_Neolithic:China_Fujian_LN_Tanshishan_(n=1)
Distance to: Repent-K13-sim_scaled
0.14587879 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
0.21405913 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
0.23572889 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
0.26530851 Caucasus_HG:Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_K lde_(CHG)_(n=1)
0.26931765 Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1)
0.31731755 Iran_Neolithic:Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.36750476 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
0.48189143 Iberomaurissian:Morocco_UP_Iberomaurusian_Taforalt _(n=6)
0.58703221 North_America:Canada_Lucier_4845BP_(n=1)
0.58964078 East-Asian_Neolithic:China_Fujian_LN_Tanshishan_(n=1)
0.66027077 South_America:Brazil_Cabecuda_3400BP_(n=2)
0.75569649 Africa:Cameroon_Shum_Laka_8000BP_(n=2)
Target: unmoggable
Distance: 3.7174% / 0.03717357
49.6 Steppe
39.8 European_Early_Farmers
10.0 Western_HG
0.6 Iberomaurissian
0.15326549 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
0.20121454 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
0.25432213 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
0.25702372 Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1)
0.26421503 Caucasus_HG:Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_K lde_(CHG)_(n=1)
0.31711370 Iran_Neolithic:Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.37043981 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
0.47282876 Iberomaurissian:Morocco_UP_Iberomaurusian_Taforalt _(n=6)
0.60295323 North_America:Canada_Lucier_4845BP_(n=1)
0.60434603 East-Asian_Neolithic:China_Fujian_LN_Tanshishan_(n=1)
0.67509608 South_America:Brazil_Cabecuda_3400BP_(n=2)
0.75510373 Africa:Cameroon_Shum_Laka_8000BP_(n=2)
Same exact as unmoggable as seen above, lol...
Target: Figaro
Distance: 4.1028% / 0.04102801
50.2 Steppe
39.8 European_Early_Farmers
9.8 Western_HG
0.2 Iberomaurissian
Target: Dardanos_scaled
Distance: 3.5442% / 0.03544184
57.0 European_Early_Farmers
37.0 Steppe
3.4 Iran_Neolithic
2.6 Western_HG
Certainly not me.
Target: Bulkster
Distance: 2.6819% / 0.02681865
47.8 Levant_Neolithic
21.0 Iran_Neolithic
11.2 Steppe
9.0 European_Early_Farmers
8.4 Caucasus_HG
1.2 Africa
1.0 Iberomaurissian
0.4 East-Asian_Neolithic