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09-10-2025, 11:17 PM
JohnDoe22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Well it's stated on thread for v2.5 (sample labels). I honestly couldn't find German Keltic samples, otherwise I'd include them here, but it doesn't make difference I guess, since they are also central French like those I selected.

Maybe this one, but it's probably the similar.

CHE_IA,0.125205,0.153345,0.050534,-0.003876,0.049548,-0.005578,0.0047,-0.002077,0.014726,0.033896,0.001786,0.016335,-0.016353,-0.008945,0.001764,-0.001591,0.009518,0.001647,0.002514,-0.006128,0.005241,0.005688,-0.012078,-0.004338,0.000958
09-10-2025, 11:26 PM
gixajo

yes, I have read is not for people of my ancestry.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.1069% / 0.03106891
88.0 Keltic
12.0 SE_Euro

So I have added 2 Iberian reference.

Code:

Iberian:Spain_IA,0.1258262,0.1492827,0.0583851,0.0049625,0.0602349,-0.0044623,-0.0022645,0.0031048,0.0336535,0.0464537,-0.0050636,0.0132018,-0.0238533,-0.0138374,0.0089698,0.0056533,0.006626,0.0005185,0.0040911,-0.0026263,0.0052294,-0.0004945,-0.0051203,-0.0136163,-0.0022753 Celtiberian:Spain_IA_Celt,0.1252055,0.1477595,0.066939,0.0121125,0.0604725,0.0046015,-0.002585,0.0040385,0.026179,0.033896,-0.0002435,0.0095165,-0.0165015,-0.0088075,0.009772,-0.0012595,-0.0099745,-0.000317,0.002514,-0.0046275,0.008485,0.0037715,-0.006347,-0.0103625,-0.0072445

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.2025% / 0.02202541
37.4 Iberian
25.2 Celtiberian
23.6 SE_Euro
13.4 Old_German
0.4 Eurasian
09-10-2025, 11:51 PM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

yes, I have read is not for people of my ancestry.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.1069% / 0.03106891
88.0 Keltic
12.0 SE_Euro

So I have added 2 Iberian reference.

Code:

Iberian:Spain_IA,0.1258262,0.1492827,0.0583851,0.0049625,0.0602349,-0.0044623,-0.0022645,0.0031048,0.0336535,0.0464537,-0.0050636,0.0132018,-0.0238533,-0.0138374,0.0089698,0.0056533,0.006626,0.0005185,0.0040911,-0.0026263,0.0052294,-0.0004945,-0.0051203,-0.0136163,-0.0022753 Celtiberian:Spain_IA_Celt,0.1252055,0.1477595,0.066939,0.0121125,0.0604725,0.0046015,-0.002585,0.0040385,0.026179,0.033896,-0.0002435,0.0095165,-0.0165015,-0.0088075,0.009772,-0.0012595,-0.0099745,-0.000317,0.002514,-0.0046275,0.008485,0.0037715,-0.006347,-0.0103625,-0.0072445

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.2025% / 0.02202541
37.4 Iberian
25.2 Celtiberian
23.6 SE_Euro
13.4 Old_German
0.4 Eurasian

very nice, second model looks good with SE Euro being a Roman proxy and old German Visigoth and Suebian like.
09-11-2025, 01:37 AM
celticdragongod

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02388757 Old_German
0.05821391 Keltic
0.07901435 Proto_Slav
0.13022852 SE_Euro
0.14544685 Volga_Finn
0.40082925 Eurasian

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 0.0207% / 0.02069635
82.0 Old_German
18.0 Keltic

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02069635 82.00% Old_German + 18.00% Keltic
0.02142812 92.40% Old_German + 7.60% SE_Euro
0.04683647 80.00% Keltic + 20.00% Volga_Finn
0.04774341 65.40% Keltic + 34.60% Proto_Slav
0.05734651 2.40% Eurasian + 97.60% Keltic
0.06429818 28.80% SE_Euro + 71.20% Proto_Slav
0.07869060 1.80% Eurasian + 98.20% Proto_Slav
0.07882698 54.20% SE_Euro + 45.80% Volga_Finn
0.12443969 9.20% Eurasian + 90.80% SE_Euro
09-11-2025, 01:38 AM
ScandinavianCelt

Try adding all the Early Slav samples. Interesting. This is what I get when I do:

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.8806% / 0.01880647
76.6 Old_German
9.2 Bulgaria_Early_Slav2_Rhyovets
4.8 Volga_Finn
3.6 Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav6
3.0 Serbia_Early_Slav5
2.6 Czech_Early_Slav1
0.2 Croatia_Early_Slav2

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.9069% / 0.01906879 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.6 Old_German
15.6 Serbia_Early_Slav1
5.8 Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav6
2.4 Czech_Early_Slav1
1.6 Czech_Early_Slav2

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.9118% / 0.01911757 | ADC: 0.5x RC
75.8 Old_German
14.8 Serbia_Early_Slav1
9.4 Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav6

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.9538% / 0.01953834 | ADC: 1x RC
73.8 Old_German
26.2 Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav6

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 2.5253% / 0.02525255 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Old_German

I used these Early Slavs:

Spoiler!

Serbia_Early_Slav1:I15543,0.11430214,0.11237552,0. 04055508,0.01423956,0.02297366,-0.0009631,0.0018817,0.00458788,0.00499836,0.002414 66,0.00230998,0.00088484,0.00232546,-0.00192192,-0.00452086,-0.00036568,0.00638498,-0.00126722,0.00027292,0.00391778,-0.00344576,-0.00034358,0.00272042,-0.001541,-0.00052133
Serbia_Early_Slav2:I15542,0.12117406,0.1332375,0.0 4605322,0.01916046,0.03185086,0.00451918,0.0052631 6,0.00687766,0.00495596,0.00344104,-0.00132954,-0.00158334,0.00082046,0.01113296,-0.01075856,0.00134076,0.01038984,0.00062736,0.0034 1032,-0.00210648,-0.0003829,-0.00174752,0.00018946,-0.00565124,-0.00045688
Serbia_Early_Slav3:I15541,0.11374026,0.10369286,0. 02664796,0.00517454,0.01419626,-0.00087592,0.00305038,0.00246738,-0.00244176,0.00183964,-0.00037408,0.00203848,-0.00029216,-0.00171432,-0.0050759,-7.95E-05,0.00554678,-0.00093512,0.00100062,0.00145022,-0.00326722,0.0009585,0.00239464,0.0011264,-0.00127868
Serbia_Early_Slav4:I15540,0.12366828,0.13459612,0. 03368042,0.0184637,0.02918688,0.00358022,0.0039396 6,0.00240164,-0.00053834,-0.00306554,-0.00166528,0.00029076,0.0013701,0.00576024,-0.0028215,0.00146246,0.0101972,-0.00075044,0.00420726,0.00499072,-0.0027077,-0.003,-0.00137206,0.00015642,-0.00011545
Serbia_Early_Slav5:I15538,0.12440694,0.14029,0.046 64542,0.01249016,0.0471019,0.00354754,0.00038884,0 .00099864,0.01719086,0.02481438,-0.00700846,0.01097662,-0.01664826,-0.01224348,0.00866472,-0.00482778,-0.00567356,0.0001112,0.00028062,-0.00284596,0.0043927,0.0021069,-0.00830368,0.0008581,-0.00138691
Serbia_Early_Slav6:I15537,0.1281503,0.12822914,0.0 5082314,0.03468948,0.03652602,0.00773978,0.0065063 2,0.00560402,0.00147872,-0.00550624,-0.00117334,-0.00171506,0.00450784,0.00571408,-0.00569812,0.00495906,0.0115155,-0.00055928,0.00474684,0.00401874,-0.00482436,-0.00398404,0.00019646,0.00029938,-3.097E-05
Croatia_Early_Slav1:I26747,0.13573546,0.12697274,0 .06707506,0.06121106,0.04049474,0.02705602,0.00691 812,0.01038938,0.00258468,-0.01460426,-0.00757122,-0.00044044,0.0096861,0.009071,0.00214822,0.0040725 ,-0.00271564,1.294E-05,0.0012764,0.00171702,0.00258602,0.00028244,0.00 460492,0.00359334,-0.00138301
Croatia_Early_Slav2:I26746,0.10625152,0.1384424,-0.02655832,-0.0494794,-0.00153136,-0.01676486,0.0016342,-0.00249866,-0.00785612,0.01572138,-0.00086946,0.00784068,-0.00792982,0.00228068,-0.00216726,-0.00547862,0.00111622,-0.00214452,0.00027808,-0.00304208,0.00044278,0.0002966,-0.0043077,-0.0027105,-0.00294843
Croatia_Early_Slav3:I26745,0.1227036,0.13275152,0. 04347054,0.0284486,0.03056716,0.01353728,0.0055232 6,0.00746488,0.00381344,-0.00699784,-0.00587068,-0.00410742,0.01197758,0.01682316,-0.00855412,0.00546516,0.00164772,-0.00020512,0.00475032,0.00125218,-0.00010352,-0.00104568,0.0046665,-0.00177942,-0.00188857
Czech_Early_Slav1:RISE569,0.12862,0.129988,0.06825 9,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Czech_Early_Slav2:I4137,0.12696446,0.11725896,0.05 066394,0.04736368,0.02869688,0.01597034,0.01054376 ,0.00902142,-0.0081059,-0.01889446,-0.0001909,-0.00364982,0.0071502,0.0078594,-0.002898,0.00732506,0.01579324,-0.0018263,-0.00292312,0.00599632,-0.00441994,-0.00127676,0.0001605,0.00166848,0.00026186
Czech,0.13116,0.131862,0.060484,0.047258,0.038658, 0.018922,0.006345,0.008662,0.004673,-0.008887,-0.001686,-0.003897,0.006049,0.011772,0.001743,0.000999,-0.000642,-0.000146,0.003568,0.002896,-0.001267,-0.000162,0.006513,0.00393,0.001594
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav1:R3478,0.1211627,0.1 2534764,0.04292544,0.02622456,0.0253436,0.00881372 ,0.00730354,0.00713908,-0.0043165,-0.00639118,-0.002949,-0.00076842,0.00032608,0.01070206,-0.00605846,0.0008932,0.00712782,0.00060648,0.00172 342,-0.00080628,0.0003735,-0.00090066,0.0025615,-0.00345826,0.00024548
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav2:R3481,0.1077606,0.1 4593692,-0.00097522,-0.03647392,0.0187871,-0.0125338,0.00029162,-0.00146742,0.00711966,0.02737908,-0.00441702,0.0084689,-0.01279276,-0.0017569,0.0001073,-0.00272142,-0.00165802,-0.00284066,-0.00037044,-0.0023089,0.0026954,0.00419406,-0.00703794,-0.005924,8.334E-05
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav7:R9920,0.12426646,0. 12771104,0.0439917,0.0289133,0.0293585,0.0160493,0 .00623462,0.00775702,0.00068186,-0.00463998,-0.00650186,0.00159994,0.00141712,0.01026992,-8.098E-05,-0.00213544,-0.00126278,-0.00081502,0.00224926,0.00143726,0.0004798,-0.00189904,0.00525168,-0.00290492,-0.00303046
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav6:R9919,0.1259626,0.1 27312,0.03870724,0.02463612,0.02918194,0.00852,0.0 0667564,0.0060633,-0.0014388,-0.0006882,-0.00186468,0.0015744,0.00019414,0.00295354,-0.00355618,0.00541266,0.01120016,-0.00072088,-0.00102966,0.00137392,-0.0027718,-0.0003022,-0.0005199,0.00011912,0.00022185
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav5:R9918,0.12667568,0. 13011416,0.04394006,0.02390512,0.03380352,0.010386 52,0.00454658,0.00727996,0.004674,0.00278216,-0.00471314,0.00099798,0.0008752,0.01002874,-0.006871,0.00195704,0.00485912,-0.00095316,0.00311834,-0.00112402,-0.0017034,-0.0010026,0.00232438,-0.00117144,-0.00168307
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav4:R3482,0.12773434,0. 1270901,0.04754074,0.04024838,0.0276942,0.02095188 ,0.00781908,0.007583,-0.00561176,-0.01381946,-0.00631908,-0.0013182,0.00686838,0.01515754,-0.00181562,0.00169212,-7.57E-05,0.0006374,0.00338324,0.00337418,0.00113388,-0.00194634,0.00711292,-0.00038084,-0.00072319
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav3:R3481,0.1077606,0.1 4593692,-0.00097522,-0.03647392,0.0187871,-0.0125338,0.00029162,-0.00146742,0.00711966,0.02737908,-0.00441702,0.0084689,-0.01279276,-0.0017569,0.0001073,-0.00272142,-0.00165802,-0.00284066,-0.00037044,-0.0023089,0.0026954,0.00419406,-0.00703794,-0.005924,8.334E-05
Bulgaria_Early_Slav1_Rhyovets:I10548,0.11762112,0. 12709892,0.02985808,0.01195098,0.02028084,0.005915 28,0.00453266,0.003206,-0.00028834,-0.0016063,-0.00264218,-0.00139628,0.00188416,0.01092556,-0.0107091,0.00172542,0.00326092,0.00108772,0.00132 868,-0.000199,-0.00184666,-0.0026936,0.00326852,-0.00101594,-0.00300786
Bulgaria_Early_Slav2_Rhyovets:I17980,0.11379182,0. 13468012,-0.0021502,-0.01922336,0.00737966,-0.00571796,0.00111136,-0.00203344,-0.00472682,0.00986284,-0.00105734,0.00324988,-0.00330868,0.00587576,-0.00958736,0.0004417,0.00527326,-0.00093432,0.00299612,-0.00202948,-0.00351606,-0.00165274,0.00085418,-0.00105932,-0.00057914

If I had a more Insular sample in this calc my 2-way split can go 80% Insular, 20% Belgorod.
09-11-2025, 02:07 AM
Vid Flumina

Target: VF_scaled
Distance: 3.4109% / 0.03410865
43.4 SE_Euro
33.2 Old_German
22.0 Keltic
1.4 Eurasian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I know you are austrian but austrians are germans and i know it but its still interesting to me how parts of Austria are few german i wonder what south tyrolans score

There you go (don't ask me where i got the coords though) :

Target: Eisacktal-Lower_G25
Distance: 0.8461% / 0.00846126
39.0 Old_German
32.6 SE_Euro
21.4 Keltic
3.6 Volga_Finn
3.0 Proto_Slav
0.4 Eurasian
09-11-2025, 04:04 AM
hazmatnik

Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 3.2389% / 0.03238894
50.0 Proto_Slav
49.0 SE_Euro
1.0 Eurasian
09-11-2025, 11:08 AM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt

Try adding all the Early Slav samples. Interesting. This is what I get when I do:

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.8806% / 0.01880647
76.6 Old_German
9.2 Bulgaria_Early_Slav2_Rhyovets
4.8 Volga_Finn
3.6 Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav6
3.0 Serbia_Early_Slav5
2.6 Czech_Early_Slav1
0.2 Croatia_Early_Slav2

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.9069% / 0.01906879 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.6 Old_German
15.6 Serbia_Early_Slav1
5.8 Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav6
2.4 Czech_Early_Slav1
1.6 Czech_Early_Slav2

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.9118% / 0.01911757 | ADC: 0.5x RC
75.8 Old_German
14.8 Serbia_Early_Slav1
9.4 Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav6

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.9538% / 0.01953834 | ADC: 1x RC
73.8 Old_German
26.2 Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav6

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 2.5253% / 0.02525255 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Old_German

I used these Early Slavs:

Spoiler!

Serbia_Early_Slav1:I15543,0.11430214,0.11237552,0. 04055508,0.01423956,0.02297366,-0.0009631,0.0018817,0.00458788,0.00499836,0.002414 66,0.00230998,0.00088484,0.00232546,-0.00192192,-0.00452086,-0.00036568,0.00638498,-0.00126722,0.00027292,0.00391778,-0.00344576,-0.00034358,0.00272042,-0.001541,-0.00052133
Serbia_Early_Slav2:I15542,0.12117406,0.1332375,0.0 4605322,0.01916046,0.03185086,0.00451918,0.0052631 6,0.00687766,0.00495596,0.00344104,-0.00132954,-0.00158334,0.00082046,0.01113296,-0.01075856,0.00134076,0.01038984,0.00062736,0.0034 1032,-0.00210648,-0.0003829,-0.00174752,0.00018946,-0.00565124,-0.00045688
Serbia_Early_Slav3:I15541,0.11374026,0.10369286,0. 02664796,0.00517454,0.01419626,-0.00087592,0.00305038,0.00246738,-0.00244176,0.00183964,-0.00037408,0.00203848,-0.00029216,-0.00171432,-0.0050759,-7.95E-05,0.00554678,-0.00093512,0.00100062,0.00145022,-0.00326722,0.0009585,0.00239464,0.0011264,-0.00127868
Serbia_Early_Slav4:I15540,0.12366828,0.13459612,0. 03368042,0.0184637,0.02918688,0.00358022,0.0039396 6,0.00240164,-0.00053834,-0.00306554,-0.00166528,0.00029076,0.0013701,0.00576024,-0.0028215,0.00146246,0.0101972,-0.00075044,0.00420726,0.00499072,-0.0027077,-0.003,-0.00137206,0.00015642,-0.00011545
Serbia_Early_Slav5:I15538,0.12440694,0.14029,0.046 64542,0.01249016,0.0471019,0.00354754,0.00038884,0 .00099864,0.01719086,0.02481438,-0.00700846,0.01097662,-0.01664826,-0.01224348,0.00866472,-0.00482778,-0.00567356,0.0001112,0.00028062,-0.00284596,0.0043927,0.0021069,-0.00830368,0.0008581,-0.00138691
Serbia_Early_Slav6:I15537,0.1281503,0.12822914,0.0 5082314,0.03468948,0.03652602,0.00773978,0.0065063 2,0.00560402,0.00147872,-0.00550624,-0.00117334,-0.00171506,0.00450784,0.00571408,-0.00569812,0.00495906,0.0115155,-0.00055928,0.00474684,0.00401874,-0.00482436,-0.00398404,0.00019646,0.00029938,-3.097E-05
Croatia_Early_Slav1:I26747,0.13573546,0.12697274,0 .06707506,0.06121106,0.04049474,0.02705602,0.00691 812,0.01038938,0.00258468,-0.01460426,-0.00757122,-0.00044044,0.0096861,0.009071,0.00214822,0.0040725 ,-0.00271564,1.294E-05,0.0012764,0.00171702,0.00258602,0.00028244,0.00 460492,0.00359334,-0.00138301
Croatia_Early_Slav2:I26746,0.10625152,0.1384424,-0.02655832,-0.0494794,-0.00153136,-0.01676486,0.0016342,-0.00249866,-0.00785612,0.01572138,-0.00086946,0.00784068,-0.00792982,0.00228068,-0.00216726,-0.00547862,0.00111622,-0.00214452,0.00027808,-0.00304208,0.00044278,0.0002966,-0.0043077,-0.0027105,-0.00294843
Croatia_Early_Slav3:I26745,0.1227036,0.13275152,0. 04347054,0.0284486,0.03056716,0.01353728,0.0055232 6,0.00746488,0.00381344,-0.00699784,-0.00587068,-0.00410742,0.01197758,0.01682316,-0.00855412,0.00546516,0.00164772,-0.00020512,0.00475032,0.00125218,-0.00010352,-0.00104568,0.0046665,-0.00177942,-0.00188857
Czech_Early_Slav1:RISE569,0.12862,0.129988,0.06825 9,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
Czech_Early_Slav2:I4137,0.12696446,0.11725896,0.05 066394,0.04736368,0.02869688,0.01597034,0.01054376 ,0.00902142,-0.0081059,-0.01889446,-0.0001909,-0.00364982,0.0071502,0.0078594,-0.002898,0.00732506,0.01579324,-0.0018263,-0.00292312,0.00599632,-0.00441994,-0.00127676,0.0001605,0.00166848,0.00026186
Czech,0.13116,0.131862,0.060484,0.047258,0.038658, 0.018922,0.006345,0.008662,0.004673,-0.008887,-0.001686,-0.003897,0.006049,0.011772,0.001743,0.000999,-0.000642,-0.000146,0.003568,0.002896,-0.001267,-0.000162,0.006513,0.00393,0.001594
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav1:R3478,0.1211627,0.1 2534764,0.04292544,0.02622456,0.0253436,0.00881372 ,0.00730354,0.00713908,-0.0043165,-0.00639118,-0.002949,-0.00076842,0.00032608,0.01070206,-0.00605846,0.0008932,0.00712782,0.00060648,0.00172 342,-0.00080628,0.0003735,-0.00090066,0.0025615,-0.00345826,0.00024548
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav2:R3481,0.1077606,0.1 4593692,-0.00097522,-0.03647392,0.0187871,-0.0125338,0.00029162,-0.00146742,0.00711966,0.02737908,-0.00441702,0.0084689,-0.01279276,-0.0017569,0.0001073,-0.00272142,-0.00165802,-0.00284066,-0.00037044,-0.0023089,0.0026954,0.00419406,-0.00703794,-0.005924,8.334E-05
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav7:R9920,0.12426646,0. 12771104,0.0439917,0.0289133,0.0293585,0.0160493,0 .00623462,0.00775702,0.00068186,-0.00463998,-0.00650186,0.00159994,0.00141712,0.01026992,-8.098E-05,-0.00213544,-0.00126278,-0.00081502,0.00224926,0.00143726,0.0004798,-0.00189904,0.00525168,-0.00290492,-0.00303046
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav6:R9919,0.1259626,0.1 27312,0.03870724,0.02463612,0.02918194,0.00852,0.0 0667564,0.0060633,-0.0014388,-0.0006882,-0.00186468,0.0015744,0.00019414,0.00295354,-0.00355618,0.00541266,0.01120016,-0.00072088,-0.00102966,0.00137392,-0.0027718,-0.0003022,-0.0005199,0.00011912,0.00022185
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav5:R9918,0.12667568,0. 13011416,0.04394006,0.02390512,0.03380352,0.010386 52,0.00454658,0.00727996,0.004674,0.00278216,-0.00471314,0.00099798,0.0008752,0.01002874,-0.006871,0.00195704,0.00485912,-0.00095316,0.00311834,-0.00112402,-0.0017034,-0.0010026,0.00232438,-0.00117144,-0.00168307
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav4:R3482,0.12773434,0. 1270901,0.04754074,0.04024838,0.0276942,0.02095188 ,0.00781908,0.007583,-0.00561176,-0.01381946,-0.00631908,-0.0013182,0.00686838,0.01515754,-0.00181562,0.00169212,-7.57E-05,0.0006374,0.00338324,0.00337418,0.00113388,-0.00194634,0.00711292,-0.00038084,-0.00072319
Montenegrin_Doclea_Early_Slav3:R3481,0.1077606,0.1 4593692,-0.00097522,-0.03647392,0.0187871,-0.0125338,0.00029162,-0.00146742,0.00711966,0.02737908,-0.00441702,0.0084689,-0.01279276,-0.0017569,0.0001073,-0.00272142,-0.00165802,-0.00284066,-0.00037044,-0.0023089,0.0026954,0.00419406,-0.00703794,-0.005924,8.334E-05
Bulgaria_Early_Slav1_Rhyovets:I10548,0.11762112,0. 12709892,0.02985808,0.01195098,0.02028084,0.005915 28,0.00453266,0.003206,-0.00028834,-0.0016063,-0.00264218,-0.00139628,0.00188416,0.01092556,-0.0107091,0.00172542,0.00326092,0.00108772,0.00132 868,-0.000199,-0.00184666,-0.0026936,0.00326852,-0.00101594,-0.00300786
Bulgaria_Early_Slav2_Rhyovets:I17980,0.11379182,0. 13468012,-0.0021502,-0.01922336,0.00737966,-0.00571796,0.00111136,-0.00203344,-0.00472682,0.00986284,-0.00105734,0.00324988,-0.00330868,0.00587576,-0.00958736,0.0004417,0.00527326,-0.00093432,0.00299612,-0.00202948,-0.00351606,-0.00165274,0.00085418,-0.00105932,-0.00057914

If I had a more Insular sample in this calc my 2-way split can go 80% Insular, 20% Belgorod.

Why would I? These samples are mixed. I literally created proto Slavic genetic profile following instructions from the paper.
09-11-2025, 02:14 PM
Wend-Kruzek

Distance to: Kruzek_scaled
0.04176684 Proto_Slav
0.05019952 Old_German
0.06664750 Keltic
0.12710047 Volga_Finn
0.13201861 SE_Euro
0.39419525 Eurasian

Target: Kruzek_scaled
Distance: 2.1505% / 0.02150473
56.0 Proto_Slav
21.0 Old_German
14.4 Keltic
6.6 SE_Euro
1.0 Eurasian
1.0 Volga_Finn

Target: Kruzek_scaled
Distance: 2.1502% / 0.02150216 | ADC: 0.25x RC
57.0 Proto_Slav
21.6 Old_German
13.6 Keltic
6.6 SE_Euro
1.2 Eurasian

Target: Kruzek_scaled
Distance: 2.2498% / 0.02249816 | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.6 Proto_Slav
26.0 Keltic
17.4 Old_German

OK :thumb001:
09-11-2025, 02:39 PM
Wend-Kruzek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Still high slavic and even balkan considering how the austrians (maybe not anymore) considered Balkan as very foreign its still interesting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carantania
You should also take a look at this. We also have Bavaria Slavica. And also the Principality of Koceľ.
09-11-2025, 02:53 PM
Rhegion

Target: Me
Distance: 4.5385% / 0.04538520
96.8 SE_Euro
3.2 Eurasian
09-11-2025, 05:19 PM
RyoHazuki

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 3.5789% / 0.03578899
67.8 Old_German
29.0 Keltic
2.8 SE_Euro
0.4 Eurasian

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 1.2845% / 0.01284467
53.6 Old_German
46.4 Keltic
09-11-2025, 05:22 PM
JerryS.

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 1.6209% / 0.01620880
80.0 Old_German
16.2 SE_Euro
3.8 Keltic
09-11-2025, 05:33 PM
Live The Magic

Target: LiveTheMagic_scaled
Distance: 2.2669% / 0.02266896
74.0 Proto_Slav
16.0 Old_German
8.0 Keltic
2.0 Volga_Finn

ADC 0.25 doesn't change almost anything for me:

Target: LiveTheMagic_scaled
Distance: 2.2080% / 0.02208043 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.4 Proto_Slav
16.4 Old_German
6.8 Keltic
1.4 Eurasian
09-11-2025, 05:39 PM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live The Magic

Target: LiveTheMagic_scaled
Distance: 2.2669% / 0.02266896
74.0 Proto_Slav
16.0 Old_German
8.0 Keltic
2.0 Volga_Finn

ADC 0.25 doesn't change almost anything for me:

Target: LiveTheMagic_scaled
Distance: 2.2080% / 0.02208043 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.4 Proto_Slav
16.4 Old_German
6.8 Keltic
1.4 Eurasian

you're a Slovak?

actually there is no Balkan, so rather a Polak?
09-11-2025, 05:51 PM
Kenshiro

Target: Kenshiro_Scaled
Distance: 2.6364% / 0.02636424
84.0 SE_Euro
11.4 Proto_Slav
4.6 Eurasian
Not very bad bad fit
09-11-2025, 05:53 PM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenshiro

Target: Kenshiro_Scaled
Distance: 2.6364% / 0.02636424
84.0 SE_Euro
11.4 Proto_Slav
4.6 Eurasian
Not very bad bad fit

It's not for you. I don't get how people ignore my instruction. Results for people who are not from regions I specified are nonsense.
09-11-2025, 05:54 PM
Feiichy

It won't work for Balts and Finns as well.
09-11-2025, 06:00 PM
Kenshiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

It's not for you. I don't get how people ignore my instruction. Results for people who are not from regions I specified are nonsense.

Yeah I know, sorry, i was only pretty curious ahah
09-11-2025, 06:37 PM
PaulieVanZant

Target: Paulie_Scaled
Distance: 1.5166% / 0.01516612
75.6 Old_German
16.6 Keltic
7.8 Proto_Slav

Distance to: Paulie_Scaled
0.01966879 Old_German
0.05744041 Keltic
0.06873441 Proto_Slav
0.13096093 SE_Euro
0.13989440 Volga_Finn
0.40081590 Eurasian

Target: PaulieChai
Distance: 1.1679% / 0.01167863
39.2 Old_German
36.0 Proto_Slav
24.2 Keltic
0.6 Volga_Finn

Distance to: PaulieChai
0.03338565 Old_German
0.04918204 Proto_Slav
0.05744331 Keltic
0.12972213 SE_Euro
0.13250632 Volga_Finn
0.39810755 Eurasian
09-11-2025, 06:56 PM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulieVanZant

Target: Paulie_Scaled
Distance: 1.5166% / 0.01516612
75.6 Old_German
16.6 Keltic
7.8 Proto_Slav

Distance to: Paulie_Scaled
0.01966879 Old_German
0.05744041 Keltic
0.06873441 Proto_Slav
0.13096093 SE_Euro
0.13989440 Volga_Finn
0.40081590 Eurasian

Target: PaulieChai
Distance: 1.1679% / 0.01167863
39.2 Old_German
36.0 Proto_Slav
24.2 Keltic
0.6 Volga_Finn

Distance to: PaulieChai
0.03338565 Old_German
0.04918204 Proto_Slav
0.05744331 Keltic
0.12972213 SE_Euro
0.13250632 Volga_Finn
0.39810755 Eurasian

Nice results Paulie. I wonder what VC scores.
09-11-2025, 07:00 PM
Live The Magic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

you're a Slovak?

actually there is no Balkan, so rather a Polak?

White Croat!

On a serious note, my parents are from Argentina, but my grandparents are all from western and central Poland. My dads side is actually very interesting. Because his dad claimed they came from Croatia in late 18th and that they're were Orthodox Croats (is that even a thing??), but since there was no Orthodox church in western Poland they became Catholics, but I did Y-DNA test and all people in my I-PH908 branch are from Serbia? :confused:

I don't know what to think, I'm confused.
09-12-2025, 12:55 AM
JerryS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

It's not for you. I don't get how people ignore my instruction. Results for people who are not from regions I specified are nonsense.

We do it for fun or curiosity to see how it fleshes out with our ancestry.
09-12-2025, 07:15 AM
rothaer

Quote:

Originally Posted by #Oda#

Target: #Oda#_Davidski_scaled
Distance: 2.0716% / 0.02071610
74.6 Old_German
19.2 Keltic
6.0 Proto_Slav
0.2 Volga_Finn

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 1.5380% / 0.01537971
43.8 Old_German
34.6 Proto_Slav
18.2 Keltic
3.4 Volga_Finn

Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
Distance: 1.7816% / 0.01781650
75.8 Old_German
23.0 Proto_Slav
1.2 Volga_Finn
09-12-2025, 07:28 AM
rothaer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live The Magic

White Croat!

On a serious note, my parents are from Argentina, but my grandparents are all from western and central Poland. My dads side is actually very interesting. Because his dad claimed they came from Croatia in late 18th and that they're were Orthodox Croats (is that even a thing??), but since there was no Orthodox church in western Poland they became Catholics, but I did Y-DNA test and all people in my I-PH908 branch are from Serbia? :confused:

I don't know what to think, I'm confused.

An odd story. However, an Orthodox Serbocroatian speaker usually is a Serb. So that would fit well.

Isn't then even your surname mediated by the said individual?
09-12-2025, 12:23 PM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live The Magic

White Croat!

On a serious note, my parents are from Argentina, but my grandparents are all from western and central Poland. My dads side is actually very interesting. Because his dad claimed they came from Croatia in late 18th and that they're were Orthodox Croats (is that even a thing??), but since there was no Orthodox church in western Poland they became Catholics, but I did Y-DNA test and all people in my I-PH908 branch are from Serbia? :confused:

I don't know what to think, I'm confused.

They could have been ethnic Serbs from Croatia with Croatian identity, it was not rare back than. Or Croatian converts to orthodoxy, but I find that less likely (it was more common in Bosnia). Interesting family history btw. I have lot of relatives in Chile and Argentina as well.
09-12-2025, 12:28 PM
rothaer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

They could have been ethnic Serbs from Croatia with Croatian identity, it was not rare back than. Or Croatian converts to orthodoxy, but I find that less likely (it was more common in Bosnia). Interesting family history btw. I have lot of relatives in Chile and Argentina as well.

It's even less likely that a convert by chance shows up in a YDNA subclade surrounded by Serbs.
09-12-2025, 12:29 PM
Feiichy

Funny results from my tiny island which shows how Dalmatian Islands are unique microcosmos:

fully native Islander and my distant relative from main village generations back:

Target: Main_Village
Distance: 0.0217% / 0.02168493

49.0 Proto_Slav
26.6 Keltic
18.2 SE_Euro
4.4 Old_German
1.8 Eurasian

quite different results to another distant relative of mine (Rest in Peace! - lady passed away recently :( ), who is also fully native Islander, but from separated sub village. Why it matters? Because in that sub-village people came 300 years ago from nearby island. They are still considered somewhat foreign (lol) and people from main village rarely intermarried with them (it was frowned upon).

Target: Sub_Village
Distance: 0.0263% / 0.02627921

68.6 Proto_Slav
31.4 SE_Euro

as shown, sub village sample is pretty different from main village one.
09-12-2025, 12:29 PM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by rothaer

It's even less likely that a convert by chance shows up in a YDNA subclade surrounded by Serbs.

Yes, but Serbs are extremely overtested (and have own DNA project), Croats much less. If we knew the surname it would be more clear.
09-12-2025, 12:40 PM
Feiichy

sharing some samples from own collection:

rural Šokac from eastern Slavonia with Czech grandfather:

Target: M_scaled
Distance: 0.0187% / 0.01868427

64.3 Proto_Slav
21.7 SE_Euro
11.1 Old_German
2.9 Keltic

Far away open sea island in our archipelago, this lady married into my Island:

Target: Ž_scaled
Distance: 0.0236% / 0.02359219
51.4 Proto_Slav
35.6 SE_Euro
9.2 Old_German
3.3 Keltic
0.5 Eurasian

my mother ex boyfriend (Rest in Peace!) from western Croatia, but Kajkavian speaker (Kajkavians core region is NW Croatia, but those like him represent Kajkavian colonisation west into Gorski Kotar (wooded mountain area):

Target: N_scaled
Distance: 0.0203% / 0.02034693
44.1 Proto_Slav
26.1 Old_German
26.1 SE_Euro
3.3 Volga_Finn
0.4 Eurasian

another guy I know, a Čakavian 3/4 from northern Adriaric + 1/4 from Dalmatian island of Murter:

Target: R_scaled
Distance: 0.0315% / 0.03153667
66.2 Proto_Slav
33.8 SE_Euro
09-12-2025, 12:46 PM
Mortimer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

They could have been ethnic Serbs from Croatia with Croatian identity, it was not rare back than. Or Croatian converts to orthodoxy, but I find that less likely (it was more common in Bosnia). Interesting family history btw. I have lot of relatives in Chile and Argentina as well.

The ustasha created a croatian-orthodox church is that true and what do you think of it?
09-12-2025, 12:47 PM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer

The ustasha created a croatian-orthodox church is that true and what do you think of it?

Great idea, it should exist today as well since orthodox churches are national. Poland, a Catholic nation, has own Orthodox church: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Orthodox_Church
09-12-2025, 01:04 PM
ScandinavianCelt

DNAGenics looks more refined

https://i.postimg.cc/66SNGQ37/Screen...075622-746.png
09-12-2025, 02:23 PM
Live The Magic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Yes, but Serbs are extremely overtested (and have own DNA project), Croats much less. If we knew the surname it would be more clear.

Its Jurkiewicz, but my grandpa said it was a bit Polonized when his ancestor moved to Poland. My closest Y-DNA match is a person from Croatia with similar surname, but when I reached out to him and asked him about our common Croatian origins he claimed that they are all Serbs.
09-12-2025, 02:30 PM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live The Magic

Its Jurkiewicz, but my grandpa said it was a bit Polonized when his ancestor moved to Poland. My closest Y-DNA match is a person from Croatia with similar surname, but when I reached out to him and asked him about our common Croatian origins he claimed that they are all Serbs.

it could be Jurković, which is Croatian surname. Comes from name Juraj/George, Serbs use rather Đorđe so surname would be Đorđević. But maybe it's another surname, who knows?

btw I found some Serbs with surname Jurković

https://serbiantimes.info/najbogatij...e-pomoc-video/

I would assume their ancestors converted to orthodoxy because Juraj is Croatian version of George.
09-12-2025, 03:00 PM
Live The Magic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

it could be Jurković, which is Croatian surname. Comes from name Juraj/George, Serbs use rather Đorđe so surname would be Đorđević. But maybe it's another surname, who knows?

btw I found some Serbs with surname Jurković

https://serbiantimes.info/najbogatij...e-pomoc-video/

I would assume their ancestors converted to orthodoxy because Juraj is Croatian version of George.

Why you say these were isolated cases or more Croats converted to Serbs? I see a lot of Serbs in this branch and much less Croats
09-12-2025, 03:02 PM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live The Magic

Why you say these were isolated cases or more Croats converted to Serbs? I see a lot of Serbs in this branch and much less Croats

In Croatia very rare (except on certain islands). But lot of Catholics converted to orthodoxy (and Islam) in Bosnia. In Croatia proper I would say more Serbs converted to Greek-Catholicism than the opposite.
09-12-2025, 04:45 PM
Live The Magic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

In Croatia very rare (except on certain islands). But lot of Catholics converted to orthodoxy (and Islam) in Bosnia. In Croatia proper I would say more Serbs converted to Greek-Catholicism than the opposite.

So its safe to say that most of I-PH908 are in the fact descendents of early Croats and that guys like this Serb match of mine is imagining or just does not want to admit that he might've had Croatian ancestor?
09-12-2025, 04:48 PM
Feiichy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live The Magic

So its safe to say that most of I-PH908 are in the fact descendents of early Croats and that guys like this Serb match of mine is imagining or just does not want to admit that he might've had Croatian ancestor?

I don't see why should this particular clade be only Croat or Serb. It's a Slav lineage that had massive demographic expansion in western dinaric alps. And descendants are both Serbs and Croats. My father is PH908 too, and in his clade exist Croats, Serbs, Bosnian muslims, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, even one Finn and Albanian.
09-12-2025, 04:59 PM
Live The Magic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

I don't see why should this particular clade be only Croat or Serb. It's a Slav lineage that had massive demographic expansion in western dinaric alps. And descendants are both Serbs and Croats. My father is PH908 too, and in his clade exist Croats, Serbs, Bosnian muslims, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, even one Finn and Albanian.

Ok, so I guess I-PH908 can be from early formation of Slavs

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