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Be fin quando non trovano un altro Oezti allora io ho ragione. :)
Those people who voted WestAsia have no single clue that J2 and WestAsian component peaks at non Indo-European speaking Caucasus people.So i wonder how IE happened to carry J2 and WestAsian component.:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Perduellio
Oetzi was a kind of proto-sardinian.
I voted for it because I wanted to vote for the Pontic Steppe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perduellio
Yes, sure... because Germans are living in Ukraine and Kazakhstan and prefer these as an urheimat to places which actually had civilisation such as the Med or Anatolia... :rolleyes:Quote:
You really believe in the para-scientific theories about "german origin of aryan race"...c'mon guys...
Please stop with the conspiracy theories already, it is getting old and you look petty.
Again what I said! You not read my links, fuck, and want to be right and I must read your proofs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimus
This is the last time I re-link something:
A common ancestor of Indo-European and Hurrian
http://dienekes.blogspot.it/2011/02/...opean-and.html
Poor you, G peaks in IE Ossetians and other groups derived from IE speakers (Kalash) and descendandts of Tocharians (Uyghurs; that could have the maximum frequency in the world).
Read previous pages.
Good argument - just refer to your evidence whilst completely ignoring his facts that ruin it. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
Maybe try looking for alternative theories as to why Otzi had G without West Asian admixture rather than just ignoring it.
Again, what have Kazakhstan or Central Asia of "eastern Europe"?
I suppose that he scored J/G in the Y-DNA test and now he wants to get rid of the frustration because of that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Albion
YOU MAD!:eek: I hope to be J2 or G!!! Are you kidding me?! Better to be an IE Neolithic farmer than a non-IE Turkic speaker R1a (a.k.a Afanasevo/Andronovo):DQuote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Ossetians are just North Caucasians who adopted Indo-Iranian culture and language, silly. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
Tocharians possessing G actually points to the Pontic Steppe and thus R1a theory of IE - G can easily be explained as assimilated North Caucasians that ended up there via the IE nomadic migrations.
What would Neolithic farmers be doing in the barren Tarim? The Tocharians were goat herders!
Turkics were in East Asia back then. Stop embarrassing yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
Facts and genetics say that. Ossetians are truly a people of dominator made up of G2a1. Who are you to say they adopted everything? Show me the paper please:rolleyes2: :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
Stop supposing bullshits and show papers instead. Everything points out that R1a isn't IE, the RgVeda in primis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
Look at the map, I see it is in Northern East Asia too, stop making yourself stupid. You know the eastern ending of the culture comprised most of the Turkic and Mongoloid territory.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...an_origins.png
Ossetians (and other caucasian tribes)are a small and isolated populations, they shouldn't be even considered as a representative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
I told you previously, that many Neolithic G's and J's were assimilated with IE R1a people, not the other way round.
I do not consider your words if you don't have a paper to confirm it or a minimal other proof. Everyone can say everything, but thethings are to be accepted with proofs, not with trust and blindness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
I don't have one, just use your common sense. :rolleyes2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
R1a is IE, Turkics were latter invaders to Central Asia. You're the one rewriting history here with these fringe theories.Quote:
Stop supposing bullshits and show papers instead. Everything points out that R1a isn't IE, the RgVeda in primis.
Look at the map, I see it is in Northern East Asia too, stop making yourself stupid.
One have to have a good imagination to see that Turkics were comprised in Afanasevo culture:rolleyes2:, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
Proofs were shown previously by many knowledgeable scientists and it is confirmed by a genetics too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
I'm not so desperate to try to convince you with sources. If you are so eager to search for an information, you should have learned that your teory is biased.
Keep the thread in the good-manner-way...no personal insults, please.
G peaks high in Caucasus because of founder effect Einstein,you forget that G is quite present among Georgians too.Also PIE had only single male lineage not two or more because they were quite patriarchal and didn't include foreign males into their groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
It is a scretch from Central-East Europe to Western Kazakhstan but the origin is Eastern Europe>Ukrainian steppes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perduellio
Until Dienekes lives, he will continue to find proofs on proofs and I'll support him. I will not yield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
I wonder if Protospatha is trolling or he just started to have a rebellion connected with adolescence.
I'm not like you that believe quickly to what a guy says you, I have a pulse to find that there could be another theory, a right one. R1a Aryan is going to an end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
There are a lot of people with common sense around the net like me, I'm not alone, in primis with Dienekes.
So could you tell me why there is a low frequency of G and J lineages in most IE populations so far? If the G's and J's were a rulers and a warriors connected with spreading IE languages, why they play so insignificant role in almost every modern European ethnicity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
FFS, now Central Asia is North East Asia just because you say so is it? Mongols and Turks crept into IE territory as they learned horse riding and weaponry from them and refined weapons such as the bow which they'd use against the IEs on the steppes latter on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
You are right. The cause of the modern political troubles in Europe is to be attributed to R1a communists and R1b:thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Turkics were present in the east of it mainly because the Indo-Europeans expanded in that direction. They acquired their nomadic way of life from contact with the Indo-Europeans - they copied and refined the IE technology in other words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
I've taken a decision: I won't post in this thread anymore. After all, why do I have to make you know the truth? The right thing is that I know the truth, yes, this is enough:). Bye all! Good dreams!:D
Karl Marx, one of the founders of a communism,was a Jew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
He probably carried Neolithic G or J haplogroup.
Not to say that Lavrietnij Beria had similar ancestry.
You must hate Europe then, R1a and R1b are the majority. Maybe the Maltese and Sardinians are more your type of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
I hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
People tend to be very absolute about what were the IE haplogroups...but different families of IE could have belonged to different y-dna. At least this is what I think because neither R1a nor J2 or G can explain were IE languages are spoken today.
It's more wise to trust to many sources and experienced scientists than to one guy who is called a "couch anthropologist".Quote:
Originally Posted by Protospatha
I'm sorry to hear that you've stopped posting in this thread, this discussion started to look interesting. I hope that you will make a new thread about this to enlighten our minds.
That's right, in I century AD, before great migration of turkic Xiongnu-tribe, altaic people lived in Mongolia, Manchuria and East Siberia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
We Sardinians are in majority R1b and I2a (63 or 70 % of population according to different studies) (haplogroup I is one of the most ancient native european haplogroup and it constitutes the 37-40% of Sardinian population)Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion
the G2a constitutes only the 11-15% of population, and it is spread also on the Alps (about 10%) where the Oetzi's mummy was found.
more infos about the g haplogroup distribution in Europe:
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In Europe west of the Black Sea Haplogroup G is found at about 5% of the population on average throughout most of the continent.[19] The concentration of G falls below this average in Scandinavia, the westernmost former Soviet republics and Poland, as well as in Iceland and the British Isles. There are seeming pockets of unusual concentrations within Europe. In Wales, a distinctive G2a3b1 type (DYS388=13 and DYS594=11) dominates there and pushes the G percentage of the population higher than in England. In western Austria, in the Tirol (Tyrol) the G percentage can reach 8% or more (Otzi also had it). In the northern and highland areas of the island of Sardinia off western Italy, G percentages reach 11% of the population in one study[20] and reached 21% in the town of Tempio in another study. In the Greek island of Crete, approximately 7%[21] to 11%[22] of males belong to haplogroup G. In north-eastern Croatia, in the town of Osijek, G was found in 14% of the males.[23] The city is on the banks of the river Drava, which notably begins in the Tirol/Tyrol region of the Alps, another haplogroup G focus area in Europe. Farther north, 8% of ethnic Hungarian males and 5.1% of ethnic Bohemian (Czech) males have been found to belong to Haplogroup G.
Indeed, G2a must be very old in Europe...Quote:
Originally Posted by askra
Neolithic time.Quote:
Originally Posted by kabeiros
I do find R1a, R1b and I1 rather boring, but that is because of how predominant they are over Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by askra
Neolithic and earlier haplogroups have interesting histories but I don't like to see misinformation about them.
If i get tested i want to be I2a2 Disles HG since it's uncommon outside of England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albion