Yes we need more Greek and Magna Grecian DNA for comparison. I hope Raine posts here myslef.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
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Yes we need more Greek and Magna Grecian DNA for comparison. I hope Raine posts here myslef.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Well we do live in the far end of Europe. Norway & Britain. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson
We also have a very young population, in Eurasian terms.
That is true. Also the best bit of Europe. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
HumanistQuote:
Originally Posted by annihilus
Asia: 71.46%
Europe: 27.70%
Africa: .83%
America: -
^^
Can you post your full k13 results?
Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepulp
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/...ok101/k13_.jpg
[A2-& R1a] trumps K=13 NE. You are related to a lot of Northern Europeans, only A1 trumps as oldest :tongueQuote:
Originally Posted by mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSLMV_conD4
Yup, at the end of the cul-de-sac. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
There has never been any Romas here, well not at least in big amounts. Even today, Estonia is like the least Roma-infested country in Europe, I have never seen Romas from Estonia in my entire lifetime, they either come from Finland with the ferry or from Lithuania with cars. There are about ~1000 living in the entire country.Quote:
Originally Posted by evon
It's practically impossible for any Estonian to have Roma ancestry, let alone me, considering my background.
I did some Eurogenes "hunter-gatherer" vs "neolithic" test. I barely had anything neolithic in me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allenson
If there would be more Estonian results, it would be easier to understand. But normally Finnics (Estonians & Finns) have extremely low South-Asian and SW-Asian scores, the lowest in Europe. As South-Asian and SW-Asian is a sign of Indo-European ancestry/migrations and we're not IE, probably because of the terrain (Finland is the boggiest country in the entire world, "surprisingly" Estonia comes 2nd) we inhabit, not suited for the IE life-style, thus we preserved our language, while our neighbors didn't.
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Originally Posted by Karl
Peat bog map. Makes the Whisky. :p
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/741/peat.jpg
You think there have been many Roma where my grandmother is from :P its about as rural as you can get with no big city for miles...Roma have mixed in with surrounding populations ever since they started migrating from India around 1100's...Remember they have been in Europe for around 1000 years now, thats a long time.. and today i dont think you will find a single Roma that is not mixed with Europeans to some degree. A good example is my Hungarian/German cousin whos grandmother was a Roma, looking at my cousins DNA via K13 she is only South Asian - 2.30%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl
But of course i am not saying all those with South Asian % have Roma ancestry, i am just saying its a possibility that you should investigate if it becomes a reoccurring theme in these admixture tests and if you differ from your country peers on the particular component..
If you have any Indian Rf cousins, more Romanians, Hungarians ect then your country peers i would check them out..most of my grandmothers matches from this region have likely Roma ancestry judging by their Ancestry Composition results, so i guess its our commonality as Roma are very inbred...
PS: I made the reference sample maps for K13 among others, iknow i got some of the name locations a bit off and maybe a spelling error here and there.. sorry guys...
I still stay it's echos of the neolithic. I don't have any south Asian or Roma ancestry that I've ever come across in my fairly extensive familial research and yet the K13 has me at 1.07%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl
And, the way the Eurogenes works, if I am correct, is that it is telling me that certain genes, making up a specific 1.07% of my genome has its global peak in southern Asia, not that these genes of mine (or yours, for that matter) actually came from there.
Also, nothing of the sort shows up for me at 23&Me. 100% Euro.
That is a very good point, one Polako often seems to make himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allenson
This might be something the other way round - Some of your ancestors contributed to their gene pool in the distant past, and so you get that small percent not because you have some ancestors from their, but because they have some ancestors from where you are. I don't know exactly how you would tell which way it is going, though.
One thing i found interesting recently that he said on another forum is that the Balto-Slavic genetic cluster(s?) effectively mask some of the differences within western Europeans, apparently - I'll try and find it (can't remember where i saw it).
I'm sorry Karl, but you can't be as European as I.:icon_cool: Yeahhh
Following the trend ;D
Southern Europeans, please post your Gedmatch and spreadsheet (if you have it) K=13 results.
My Gedmatch results (Portuguese):
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9886/eurok13.png
Mediterranean 39.44%
North European 39.31%
Southwest Asian 5.49%
Caucasus 5.43%
West Central Asian 5.06%
Northeast African 2.52%
South Asian 1.25%
Amerindian 0.70%
West African 0.58%
Pygmy 0.17%
North Eurasian 0%
East Siberian 0%
East Asian 0%
And my (PT9) results from the original Eurogenes k=13 Spreadsheet:
North Atlantic 0.43905 = 43.91%
Mediterranean 0.409843 = 40.98%
Southwest Asian 0.086486 = 8.65%
Caucasus 0.021359 = 2.14%
East African 0.016318 = 1.63%
South Asian 0.01465 = 1.47%
Sub-Saharan 0.007592 = 0.76%
Southeast Asian 0.004518 = 0.45%
North Asian 0.000145 = 0%
East Asian 0.00001 = 0%
East Central Asian 0.00001 = 0%
West Central Asian 0.00001 = 0%
Baltic 0.00001 = 0%
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I screwed up and put this in the west asian thread already but anyway...
http://imageshack.us/a/img600/8665/k131.png
I did too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vesuvian Sky
I think this answers the question who's the Meddiest.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
(well at least so far anyway per a EG-K13 perspective...)
Interesting, what run is this from?Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilus
Casual Observer
Asia: 70.36%
Europe: 28.45%
Africa: 1.19%
America: -
Interesting how I score a value for "Africa". I think I may be one of the few Assyrians with an African connection.
Oh come on.
I'd like to see more results. Italians, Spaniards, etc. post please.
Bump.
I'm not sure if I go under your category for Southern Europeans, but here's mine.
http://i46.tinypic.com/33wv7o8.png
Not sure how relevant this one is either but...
http://i.imgur.com/98bT1ld.jpg
Here's mine, a typical south Bulgar gene makeup.
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps2b237ad6.png
Raine -- North European is your single largest component.. just a tiny bit higher than the Mediterranean!
What part of Greece are you from/what parts of Greece do you have ancestry?
I think he is italian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Vesuvian Sky is Italian, Raine is Greek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Delarge
Did my DNA get mixed up w/ someone else's?:icon_ask::laugh:
North European grouping is too broad since there is a quite bit of difference between West Europeans and East Europeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vesuvian Sky
My Dodecad V3 result looks way closer to reality. It's only because it breaks down the North European into West and East European. I'll post it. And you should too, to compare.
My V3
General European: 83.95%
Inbetween European and Asian (West Asian): 12.54%
Asian: 3.28%
African: 0.18%
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps54d7ab16.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img713/3865/dodecadv3pie.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Thraex
I always felt that Eurogenes past K-9 interpretations were highly sketchy. Your results on Dodecad plus mine in comparison to what Doug McDonald said for me helps further this point.
I've been wondering about Bulgarian DNA for a while myself and Dodecad classes cleany it appears for you since your East European is well represented in addition to a North East Asian component (Harja Turan!:thumb001:) and of course other components that one would expect to find in the Balkans.
Only thing that was messed up for me was the Oracles on Dodecad V3. Eurogenes actually gave better results on this matter.
Ah!:eek::eek: You came out more Med. then me.
Do any of you have results from the original K=13 spreadsheet?
It's interesting that some people find V3 to be more accurate, I think my percentages are good, but half the time it can't figure out if I'm Portuguese or French - which makes no sense.
Oh do you mean here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlantic Islander
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...3V0JXQ3c#gid=0
Yeah you mean on the Oracles? Yeah my Oracle was all screwed up as well for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlantic Islander
Here's my Dodecad V3 results.
Gedmatch
http://imageshack.us/a/img850/4499/50133452.png
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_European 39.48%
2 Mediterranean 34.51%
3 West_Asian 7.89%
4 Southwest_Asian 5.97%
5 Northwest_African 4.99%
6 East_European 4.25%
7 East_African 1.29%
8 Neo_African 0.78%
9 Southeast_Asian 0.42%
10 Palaeo_African 0.3%
11 Northeast_Asian 0.14%
From the V3 spreadsheet:
West_European 39.1%
Mediterranean 34.8%
West_Asian 7.1%
Southwest_Asian 5.9%
Northwest_African 5.3%
East_European 4.6%
East_African 1.8%
Neo_African 0.6%
Southeast_Asian 0.5%
Northeast_Asian 0.2%
Palaeo_African 0%
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vesuvian Sky
And yes.Quote:
Yeah you mean on the Oracles? Yeah my Oracle was all screwed up as well for that.
It's also the only calculator that doesn't say Portuguese in oracle-x:
Pct. Calc. Option 1
1 French_Basque 68.88%
2 Adygei 8.95%
3 Saudis 6.43%
4 Mozabite 5.28%
5 Lithuanian 4.98%
6 Algeria 2.55%
7 Cypriots 1.51%
8 East_African 1.31%
9 Iban 0.11%
10 Morocco_S 0.00%
Pct. Calc. Option 2
0 Unable to determine 0.07%
1 French_Basque 34.52%
2 Spaniards 23.04%
3 Adygei 8.02%
4 Spanish 6.45%
5 Saudis 6.08%
6 Mozabite 5.65%
7 Lithuanian 4.58%
8 Norwegian 4.58%
9 Sardinian 4.18%
10 Ethiopian_Jews 2.84%
Its interesting how Iberians have less ME components then other Meds. The archaeology of Iberia has always been interpreted regarding Neolithization as having wayward agriculturalists originally from the ME only settling in peripheral zones yet leaving a mostly acculturating effect on the locals of the peninsula.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlantic Islander
Gives credence to this aDNA study on Iberian mtDNA:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:...l.pone.0034417
But in other words, Iberia represents a case of marco-regional acculturation for the spread of agriculture where it was mostly adopted and immigrating farmers fewer in number. This of course contrasts starkly to what we see with the Neolithization of the Italian peninsula and Balkans with the Cardial Ware and Starcevo Koros Cris cultural horizons respectively.
edit: my results are all from Gedmatch. I was unaware there was a different way of going about getting the results. How does one get on the spreadsheets and how do they differ in results?