Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

There was no such thing as a "Slav" before I2a1b was in the genepool.

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Agreed, but I think that majority of I2a1b absorption came after Slavic identity formed. I believe Slavic identity formed before Southern Slavic identity formed (which really should be a no-brainer), and that the vast majority of I2a1b absorption occurred between the formation of the original Slavic identity and the formation of the more recent Southern Slavic identity. How else do you explain the large discrepancy in I2a1b concentration between Southern Slavs and their Eastern cousins (who clearly predate the Southern Slavs)?

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Originally Posted by Dema

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Because haplogroups counterweigh one another and also founder effect, Monkeydonia would have a higher R1a than Tosks.

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Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe

Agreed, but I think that majority of I2a1b absorption came after Slavic identity formed.

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Anyway, I2a1b-Din migrated to the Balkans and the result of it's high concentration in Bosnia is the founder effect(no variety of I2a1b clades there whatsoever).

There's a huge genetic difference between South Slavs and Paleo-Balkanites(Albanians, Greeks) despite being neighbors today. It being the huge amount of Baltic and East Euro admixture among South Slavs which pulls them strongly northeast. R1a itself did not bring this huge admixture % alone, I2a1b-"Din" assisted in that.

Albanians for example are often northwest shifted with low northeastern shift.

I think the best indicator of your blood/race/autosomal, is based on majority & locations + surnames of your relatives.
Look up my previews post above and post yours

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

Because haplogroups counterweigh one another, Monkeydonia would have a higher R1a than Tosks.

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Last thing we need is Tosks to have higher R1a also then S Albania. I cant agree that its higher I2a1b or R1a in Tosks then Macedonians.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

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Originally Posted by Dema

Last thing we need is Tosks to have higher R1a also then S Albania. I cant agree that its higher I2a1b or R1a in Tosks then Macedonians.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

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Eupedia haplo percentages are strongly outdated/wrong, maps are wrong and done in paint by Maciamo.

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Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe

Agreed, but I think that majority of I2a1b absorption came after Slavic identity formed. I believe Slavic identity formed before Southern Slavic identity formed (which really should be a no-brainer), and that the vast majority of I2a1b absorption occurred between the formation of the original Slavic identity and the formation of the more recent Southern Slavic identity. How else do you explain the large discrepancy in I2a1b concentration between Southern Slavs and their Eastern cousins (who clearly predate the Southern Slavs)?

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Wtf, ''Southern Slavic'' tribal identity is not younger than those of other Slavs- Croats, Serbs, and Bulgarians has tribal names and duchies/Kingdoms before majority of other Slavs. Please don't troll dude.

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

Eupedia haplo percentages are strongly outdated/wrong, maps are wrong.

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Ok i linked to you also Macedonian FTDNA project that also shows I2a as largest group at Macedonians.

Show me some study then that would confirm that Tosks have higher I2a then Macedonians.

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Originally Posted by Dema

Ok i linked to you also Macedonian FTDNA project that also shows I2a as largest group at Macedonians.

Show me some study then that would confirm that Tosks have higher I2a then Macedonians.

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I'm not claiming that. But it's 5-10 times higher(around Korca) than it is among Ghegides. - Again, according to Eupediafail maps xD

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Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz

Wtf, ''Southern Slavic'' tribal identity is not younger than those of other Slavs- Croats, Serbs, and Bulgarians has tribal names and duchies/Kingdoms before majority of other Slavs. Please don't troll dude.

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Are you saying you don't believe Southern Slavs branched off from an earlier group of Slavs?