"Proto-Iranians were not Northern Europeans"

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Originally Posted by Token

The Southern Arc paper agrees that the Indo-Iranians came from the steppe. Dozens of Proto-Indo-Iranic and Proto-Iranic loanwords into Proto-Uralic and Proto-Finno-Ugric, including the fact that "Aryan" in Proto-Uralic (a Siberian hunter-gatherer language) means slave, prove that the Indo-Iranians lived in the northern steppes and not in western Asia, which is the dominant view among linguists and archaeologists. Keep coping Kurd.

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Originally Posted by Token

The Southern Arc paper agrees that the Indo-Iranians came from the steppe. Dozens of Proto-Indo-Iranic and Proto-Iranic loanwords into Proto-Uralic and Proto-Finno-Ugric, including the fact that "Aryan" in Proto-Uralic (a Siberian hunter-gatherer language) means slave, prove that the Indo-Iranians lived in the northern steppes and not in western Asia, which is the dominant view among linguists and archaeologists.

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Pre-Indo-Iranian
*ertä ‘side’, *kekrä ‘wheel’, *kečrä ‘spindle’, *mekši ‘bee’, (*meti ‘honey’), *ońća ‘part’,
(*orpa ‘orphan’), *peijas ‘feast’, *pejmä ‘milk’, Pre-P *pertä ‘wing’, *repä ‘fox’, *rećmä
‘rope’, *sejti ‘bridge’

Proto-Indo-Iranian
*aćtara ‘whip’, *anti/onta, *ora ‘awl’, *orja ‘slave; south’, (*orpa ‘orphan’), *pośi ‘penis’,
*śaŋka ‘handle’, Pre-Md *śaγa ‘goat’, *śarwi ‘horn’, *śaδa- ‘to rain’, śara- ‘shit’, *śi̮ta
‘hundred’, Pre-P *śVta ‘hundred’, *śasra ‘thousand’, *śišta ‘wax’, *śoma- ‘sad’, *waćara
‘hammer’, *woraći ‘boar’

Uncertain cases
*ćaŋka- ‘to sting’, *ćara- ‘brown; ? to dawn’, *ćarapa ‘elk’, *ćero ‘hill-top’,? *ćerti ‘group’,
*porćas, PUg *śeŋkV ‘nail’

Proto-Iranian
(*ačwa ‘horse’) *mača ‘insect’, *očra ‘barley’, *počaw ‘reindeer’, *päčäɣ ‘reindeer’, *serä
‘old’, *šoji- ‘to care’, *šukta ‘burnt patch’

Ambiguous early loans (can be either from PII or PI)
*ajša ‘shaft’, *asVra ‘lord’, *iha ‘yearning. passion’, *ihta ‘lust’, *jama ‘twin’, *jawi/jowa
(> Mo juv) ‘awn’, *jawi (> PS *jäə̑) ‘flour’, *ji̮ni ‘way, path’, *juma ‘god’, *kana- ‘to dig’,
*kara- ‘to dig’, *kata- ‘to graze’, *kertä- ‘to bind’, *ki̮ntaw ‘tree stump’, *kürtńV ‘iron’, PKh
*kǟrtV ‘iron’, *kärtä ‘iron’, *martas ‘dead’, *ńātV- ‘to help’, *pakas ‘god’, *para ‘good’,
Kh pĕnt ‘way’, PMs *pē̮ńtV ‘brother-in-law’, *pora ‘old’, *poči- ‘to boil’, Pre-P *porta
‘vessel’, *puntaksi ‘bottom’, Pre-Ma *pänti- ‘to bind’, PMa *pärća ‘ear of corn’, *pätäri- ‘to
flee’, *saγi- ‘to get, obtain’, *sampas ‘pillar’, *saŋka ‘old’, *sara ‘lake’, *sasara ‘sister’,
*säptä ‘seven’, *tajwas ‘sky’, *takra ‘piece of flesh’, *tarna ‘grass’, *tojwV ‘wish’, *toraksi
‘through’, *tora- ‘to fight’, *täjV ‘milk’, *täjinV ‘cow’, *täši, *uška ‘bull’, *wakša- (> PS
*wåtå-) ‘to grow’, *wajna- ‘to see’, *wojna- ‘to see’, *wiša ‘venom’, *wi̮rna ‘wool’, *wärkä
‘kidney’, PS *wǝ̑rkǝ̑ ‘wolf’, *wirtV- ‘to hold, raise’, *äŋkärä ‘coal’

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Keep coping Kurd.

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How would those hunter-gatherers have held Aryans as slaves? They must have been superior to Aryans :confused:

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Originally Posted by Leto

How would those hunter-gatherers have held Aryans as slaves? They must have been superior to Aryans :confused:

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Early Indo-Iranians dominated everyone in their path and even took down the biggest empire the world had ever seen in the Iron Age. Slave my ass.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

Early Indo-Iranians dominated everyone in their path and even took down the biggest empire the world had ever seen in the Iron Age. Slave my ass.

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Finno-Permians still use "Aryan" as synonymous of slave, lmfao

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

Early Indo-Iranians dominated everyone in their path and even took down the biggest empire the world had ever seen in the Iron Age. Slave my ass.

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Well, somehow the Uralics managed to extirpate the Indo-Iranians from the Volga-Ural region. Russian Uralics have a shit ton of Steppe ancestry and some of them show double digit amounts of R1a.

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Originally Posted by Token

Finno-Permians still use "Aryan" as synonymous of slave, lmfao

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Except in Iranian languages it is not pronounced “Aryan” - this is a European rendering. It is pronounced Arî in Kurdish, Aryayî in Persian. It is etymologically unrelated and means noble.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, somehow the Uralics managed to extirpate the Indo-Iranians from the Volga-Ural region. Russian Uralics have a shit ton of Steppe ancestry and some of them show double digit amounts of R1a.

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R1a-Z93 is related to Indo-Iranians. If anything that suggests the complete opposite - but then again I am not familiar with Uralics and I don’t like to make claims out of my ass like this Token dude

Everyone wants to be Aryan because it's often understood as racially superior, mighty and good-looking. :D :cool:

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

R1a-Z93 is related to Indo-Iranians. If anything that suggests the complete opposite - but then again I am not familiar with Uralics and I don’t like to make claims out of my ass like this Token dude

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It suggests that Uralic speakers might have assimilated IE speakers, hence the R1a in the region.

Token is a self-purported academic scholar, you should listen to him ;)

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

Except in Iranian languages it is not pronounced “Aryan” - this is a European rendering. It is pronounced Arî in Kurdish, Aryayî in Persian. It is etymologically unrelated and means noble.

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All of them stem from Proto-Indo-Iranian *arya so it doesn't matter, in Uralic slave is still "orja" (from PII *arya). Your ancestors were enslaved by Siberian hunter-gatherer tribes and this is still remembered by their descendants.