South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

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Originally Posted by Vojnik

Anyone having troubles with the gedmatch site?

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It's big brother knocking on your door.

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Originally Posted by Mr.G

Nice detective work Mingle. Dare I ask what the motivation for forging these kits would be? Was HungryLion arguing that Serbs are more northern shifted than believed, or something?

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Because he's an extreme outlier that plots way outside the Serb cluster and wants to make his results seem more normal.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

The DNA results of the extremely northern shifted Serbs that plot close to HungryLion were most likely forged by HungryLion in my opinion. Their results are not only extreme outliers and without kit numbers/oracles, but show some weird patterns that make them look like they were forged. The results I'm referring to are those belong to Spasović, Grmuša, Atlagić (Dalmatia), Eić (Banija), Vrkić (Lika), and one nameless Banija Serb. If you notice; the final digit in their Baltic, North Atlantic, West Med, East Med, and West Asian scores all end in the same digit. Their Baltic scores all end in 6, their North Atlantic scores all end in 3, their West Med scores all end in 9, their East Med scores all end in 8, and their West Asian scores all end in 4. The reason for this is probably so that the components would all add up to 100% and HL was too lazy to give them different final digits to avoid screwing that part up. If you ask me, besides the already existing suspicion (outlier scores without kit numbers), this is way too much of a coincidence for the results to be real. Below, I've underlined the final digits of each of those components to show the eerily coincidental pattern present.

https://i.imgur.com/nxrFMDd.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/66WC0m9.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/Iivqgft.png?2

If these were for one or two different people, we could maybe say its a coincidence. But these are SIX different results of people that not only plot as extreme outliers and not only are without kit numbers, but all have the same final digit in the same exact components. So what do you guys think? All just a random coincidence or forged results?

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Making up results lol thats another level ...

[QUOTE=Mr.G;6388179]

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Nice detective work Mingle. Dare I ask what the motivation for forging these kits would be? Was HungryLion arguing that Serbs are more northern shifted than believed, or something?

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Hes clearly not full serb, man his nose look like michael jackson, he probably has identity crisis.

https://i.imgur.com/NjwlbIb.png

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Originally Posted by Mingle

The DNA results of the extremely northern shifted Serbs that plot close to HungryLion were most likely forged by HungryLion in my opinion. Their results are not only extreme outliers and without kit numbers/oracles, but show some weird patterns that make them look like they were forged. The results I'm referring to are those belong to Spasović, Grmuša, Atlagić (Dalmatia), Eić (Banija), Vrkić (Lika), and one nameless Banija Serb. If you notice; the final digit in their Baltic, North Atlantic, West Med, East Med, and West Asian scores all end in the same digit. Their Baltic scores all end in 6, their North Atlantic scores all end in 3, their West Med scores all end in 9, their East Med scores all end in 8, and their West Asian scores all end in 4. The reason for this is probably so that the components would all add up to 100% and HL was too lazy to give them different final digits to avoid screwing that part up. If you ask me, besides the already existing suspicion (outlier scores without kit numbers), this is way too much of a coincidence for the results to be real. Below, I've underlined the final digits of each of those components to show the eerily coincidental pattern present.

https://i.imgur.com/nxrFMDd.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/66WC0m9.png?2

https://i.imgur.com/Iivqgft.png?2

If these were for one or two different people, we could maybe say its a coincidence. But these are SIX different results of people that not only plot as extreme outliers and not only are without kit numbers, but all have the same final digit in the same exact components. So what do you guys think? All just a random coincidence or forged results?

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I'm over here lying about my penis size meanwhile anthro-nerds are lying about their North-Atlantic scores. Pathetic :picard1:

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Originally Posted by War Chief

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From where is your Gagauz side, Moldova, Ukraine or Bulgaria?

I read someone claiming (that was written by a German) that in WW2 thousands of German and Hungarian babies were given to Serbian families for adoption in order to make their gene pool racially lighter and dilute the Turkish and North African influence. I’m nearly certain it’s mostly exaggerated but perhaps some Germanics would have indeed been assimilated? What are your thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Ratmir

I read someone claiming (that was written by a German) that in WW2 thousands of German and Hungarian babies were given to Serbian families for adoption in order to make their gene pool racially lighter and dilute the Turkish and North African influence. I’m nearly certain it’s mostly exaggerated but perhaps some Germanics would have indeed been assimilated? What are your thoughts?

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Sounds like complete BS. There is no sign of any Turkish/MENA genetic influence anywhere in the Balkans (excluding Balkan Turks and some individual Muslim Slavs) both in autosomal and chromosomal DNA. And Serbs are relatively homogenous genetically.

Ethnicity: Romanian
Region: Suceava
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Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

#        Population        Percent
1        Baltic        29.15
2        North_Atlantic        26.88
3        East_Med        14.66
4        West_Med        13.73
5        West_Asian        8.13
6        Red_Sea        2.27
7        Siberian        2.15
8        South_Asian        2.06
9        Amerindian        0.88
10        Oceanian        0.1

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Serbian        3.74
2        Moldavian        6.24
3        Hungarian        6.88
4        Romanian        7.1
5        Croatian        7.99
6        Bulgarian        9.67
7        Austrian        10.89
8        East_German        12.19
9        Ukrainian_Lviv        14.01
10        South_Polish        14.39
11        Ukrainian        15.29
12        West_German        16.44
13        Greek_Thessaly        17.73
14        South_Dutch        17.96
15        Polish        18.06
16        Southwest_Russian        18.37
17        French        18.59
18        Ukrainian_Belgorod        18.8
19        North_Italian        19.85
20        Russian_Smolensk        20.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                55.1%        Greek_Thessaly        +        44.9%        Southwest_Finnish        @        1.67
2                51.2%        Italian_Abruzzo        +        48.8%        Estonian        @        1.74
3                57.6%        Greek_Thessaly        +        42.4%        Finnish        @        1.95
4                54%        Estonian        +        46%        South_Italian        @        1.98
5                77.8%        Romanian        +        22.2%        Finnish        @        2.01
6                76.1%        Romanian        +        23.9%        Southwest_Finnish        @        2.09
7                78.8%        Romanian        +        21.2%        East_Finnish        @        2.17
8                69.6%        Bulgarian        +        30.4%        Southwest_Finnish        @        2.24
9                50.3%        Estonian        +        49.7%        West_Sicilian        @        2.25
10                89.5%        Serbian        +        10.5%        East_Finnish        @        2.31
11                53.3%        Southwest_Finnish        +        46.7%        Central_Greek        @        2.31
12                92.1%        Serbian        +        7.9%        Mari        @        2.32
13                88.2%        Serbian        +        11.8%        Kargopol_Russian        @        2.33
14                91%        Serbian        +        9%        Chuvash        @        2.39
15                78.6%        Romanian        +        21.4%        Estonian        @        2.44
16                70.3%        South_Polish        +        29.7%        Sephardic_Jewish        @        2.44
17                89.3%        Serbian        +        10.7%        Erzya        @        2.45
18                53.7%        Southwest_Russian        +        46.3%        Tuscan        @        2.47
19                89.5%        Serbian        +        10.5%        Finnish        @        2.49
20                54.6%        Finnish        +        45.4%        South_Italian        @        2.53

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Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

#        Population        Percent
1        Baltic        18.21
2        North_Sea        17.63
3        Atlantic        17.21
4        Eastern_Euro        12.55
5        East_Med        10.04
6        West_Asian        9.5
7        West_Med        8.7
8        Red_Sea        2.64
9        South_Asian        1.54
10        Siberian        1.29
11        Amerindian        0.62
12        Oceanian        0.06

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Serbian        4.81
2        Moldavian        5.89
3        Romanian        6.31
4        Croatian        6.57
5        Austrian        7.13
6        Hungarian        7.25
7        Bulgarian        9.14
8        East_German        11.51
9        Ukrainian_Lviv        12.35
10        South_Polish        12.49
11        Ukrainian        13.41
12        Polish        15.03
13        Russian_Smolensk        15.35
14        Ukrainian_Belgorod        15.59
15        Southwest_Russian        16.12
16        South_Dutch        16.77
17        Greek_Thessaly        16.83
18        Southwest_Finnish        17.05
19        West_German        17.46
20        French        17.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                76.1%        Romanian        +        23.9%        East_Finnish        @        2.47
2                77.1%        Romanian        +        22.9%        Estonian        @        2.49
3                75.2%        Romanian        +        24.8%        Finnish        @        2.53
4                63.2%        South_Polish        +        36.8%        Italian_Abruzzo        @        2.6
5                74.6%        Romanian        +        25.4%        Southwest_Finnish        @        2.63
6                66.7%        Bulgarian        +        33.3%        Finnish        @        2.66
7                65.8%        Bulgarian        +        34.2%        Southwest_Finnish        @        2.7
8                72.2%        Romanian        +        27.8%        Polish        @        2.74
9                76.5%        Romanian        +        23.5%        Kargopol_Russian        @        2.85
10                84.3%        Croatian        +        15.7%        Turkish        @        2.85
11                68.4%        Romanian        +        31.6%        South_Polish        @        2.85
12                58.7%        Polish        +        41.3%        Italian_Abruzzo        @        2.9
13                72.9%        Romanian        +        27.1%        Russian_Smolensk        @        2.9
14                85.3%        Croatian        +        14.7%        Azeri        @        2.91
15                74.1%        Romanian        +        25.9%        Southwest_Russian        @        3.01
16                76%        Romanian        +        24%        Belorussian        @        3.01
17                76.1%        Romanian        +        23.9%        Estonian_Polish        @        3.03
18                51.9%        Estonian        +        48.1%        Italian_Abruzzo        @        3.05
19                87.4%        Croatian        +        12.6%        Assyrian        @        3.18
20                51.3%        Romanian        +        48.7%        Croatian        @        3.18

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Eurogenes K36

Amerindian        0.08 Pct
Arabian        -   
Armenian        -   
Basque        2.91 Pct
Central_African        -   
Central_Euro        1.96 Pct
East_African        -   
East_Asian        -   
East_Balkan        10.38 Pct
East_Central_Asian        -   
East_Central_Euro        9.93 Pct
East_Med        10.37 Pct
Eastern_Euro        11.59 Pct
Fennoscandian        5.20 Pct
French        3.12 Pct
Iberian        5.68 Pct
Indo-Chinese        -   
Italian        10.02 Pct
Malayan        0.59 Pct
Near_Eastern        -   
North_African        -   
North_Atlantic        7.70 Pct
North_Caucasian        5.92 Pct
North_Sea        11.38 Pct
Northeast_African        -   
Oceanian        -   
Omotic        -   
Pygmy        -   
Siberian        0.51 Pct
South_Asian        -   
South_Central_Asian        -   
South_Chinese        -   
Volga-Ural        0.50 Pct
West_African        -   
West_Caucasian        2.15 Pct
West_Med        -

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Dodecad K12b

#        Population        Percent
1        North_European        39.23
2        Atlantic_Med        25.39
3        Caucasus        24.25
4        Southwest_Asian        3.82
5        Siberian        3.56
6        Gedrosia        2.16
7        South_Asian        1.39
8        Northwest_African        0.15
9        East_African        0.05

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Romanians (Behar)        6.29
2        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        7.86
3        Bulgarian (Dodecad)        8.13
4        Hungarians (Behar)        11.75
5        German (Dodecad)        18
6        O_Italian (Dodecad)        19.31
7        N_Italian (Dodecad)        21.24
8        Greek (Dodecad)        22.28
9        Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)        22.52
10        TSI30 (Metspalu)        23.19
11        Tuscan (HGDP)        23.5
12        French (Dodecad)        23.6
13        French (HGDP)        23.76
14        Dutch (Dodecad)        23.87
15        Ukranians (Yunusbayev)        23.93
16        North_Italian (HGDP)        24.04
17        C_Italian (Dodecad)        24.18
18        Polish (Dodecad)        25.23
19        Kent (1000Genomes)        25.97
20        CEU30 (1000Genomes)        26.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                55%        Tuscan (HGDP)        +        45%        Mordovians (Yunusbayev)        @        3.1
2                54.8%        C_Italian (Dodecad)        +        45.2%        Russian_B (Behar)        @        3.23
3                55.5%        Tuscan (HGDP)        +        44.5%        Russian_B (Behar)        @        3.34
4                55.8%        C_Italian (Dodecad)        +        44.2%        Russian (HGDP)        @        3.43
5                61.4%        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        +        38.6%        Hungarians (Behar)        @        3.47
6                54.3%        C_Italian (Dodecad)        +        45.7%        Mordovians (Yunusbayev)        @        3.48
7                56.6%        Tuscan (HGDP)        +        43.4%        Russian (HGDP)        @        3.52
8                79.7%        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        +        20.3%        Swedish (Dodecad)        @        3.53
9                80.2%        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        +        19.8%        Norwegian (Dodecad)        @        3.66
10                60.5%        O_Italian (Dodecad)        +        39.5%        Russian_B (Behar)        @        3.74
11                68.9%        Romanians (Behar)        +        31.1%        Hungarians (Behar)        @        3.78
12                55.4%        TSI30 (Metspalu)        +        44.6%        Mordovians (Yunusbayev)        @        3.81
13                88.7%        Romanians (Behar)        +        11.3%        FIN30 (1000Genomes)        @        3.89
14                85.1%        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        +        14.9%        FIN30 (1000Genomes)        @        3.93
15                84.9%        Romanians (Behar)        +        15.1%        Swedish (Dodecad)        @        3.96
16                86.2%        Romanians (Behar)        +        13.8%        Chuvashs (Behar)        @        3.97
17                55.9%        TSI30 (Metspalu)        +        44.1%        Russian_B (Behar)        @        3.97
18                85.3%        Romanians (Behar)        +        14.7%        Norwegian (Dodecad)        @        3.98
19                72.2%        Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)        +        27.8%        German (Dodecad)        @        4.01
20                52.3%        C_Italian (Dodecad)        +        47.7%        Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)        @        4.01

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Ethnicity: Romanian
Region: Suceava

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Always wanted to see results from this region. Do you have more detailed information about him?

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Always wanted to see results from this region. Do you have more detailed information about him?

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Yes, I'll PM you.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Yes, I'll PM you.

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some 1/3 of the territory of the county is not inhabited by ethnic Romanians (Ukrainian villages mostly, but also Polish and Russian) - do you know for sure he's ethnic Romanian and not mixed?

because he comes quite close to my results and I am mixed:

Eurogenes K15, highest to lowest:

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20.54% Baltic
16.41% North_Sea
16.38% Atlantic
15.30% Eastern_Euro
10.84% West_Med
8.76% West_Asian
8.89% East_Med
0.81% South_Asian
0.78% Southeast_Asian
0.59% Siberian
0.46% Amerindian
0.18% Sub_Saharan
0.06% Red_Sea
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Northeast_African

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K15 oracle:

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1 Moldavian 4.63
2 Croatian 5.32
3 Serbian 7.19
4 Romanian 7.99
5 Austrian 9.03
6 Hungarian 9.1
7 Bulgarian 9.63
8 South_Polish 11.63
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.65
10 Ukrainian 12.21
11 East_German 12.98
12 Russian_Smolensk 13.98
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14
14 Polish 14.12
15 Southwest_Russian 14.68
16 Estonian_Polish 16.36
17 Belorussian 16.54
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.42
19 Greek_Thessaly 18.01
20 Greek 18.08

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Eurogenes K13, highest to lowest:

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30.93% Baltic
25.10% North_Atlantic
16.34% West_Med
11.35% East_Med
10.95% West_Asian
1.30% Siberian
1.20% South_Asian
1.01% East_Asian
0.74% Amerindian
0.64% Oceanian
0.36% Sub_Saharan
0.08% Red_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African

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K13 oracle:

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1 Moldavian 3.76
2 Serbian 6.09
3 Croatian 6.68
4 Hungarian 8.28
5 Romanian 8.39
6 Bulgarian 10.39
7 Austrian 11.83
8 East_German 12.65
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.7
10 South_Polish 13.56
11 Ukrainian 13.95
12 Polish 17.13
13 Southwest_Russian 17.42
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.42
15 West_German 18.1
16 Greek_Thessaly 19.12
17 Russian_Smolensk 19.21
18 South_Dutch 19.53
19 Estonian_Polish 19.9
20 Tatar 19.91

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

some 1/3 of the territory of the county is not inhabited by ethnic Romanians (Ukrainian villages mostly, but also Polish and Russian)

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Stop lying man

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Originally Posted by Carpatz

Stop lying man

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where the lie? all the northwest of the county is exclusively Ukrainian (even though most don't declare at the census). ask any Romanian from Dorna, Cimpulung or Humor, they will confirm it.

then, the villages around Radauti and Siret to Suceava some are Ukrainian, some are Romanian, some are Russian (Lipovan).

while in the centre of the county there's a small region of Polish villages (around Cacica).

any Romanian from Suceava county can confirm it. I know it's little known outside, since these ethnic communities make no fuss around this. but this doesn't give you Vlach the right to deny it.

Ukrainians' Union in Romania (centred on Suceava, Maramures and Timisoara communities): https://uur.ro/index.php/uk/

Poles' Union in Romania (centred on Suceava community): https://dompolski.ro/pl/dom/

Lipovan Russians' Union in Romania (centred on Tulcea, Suceava and Iasi communities): https://www.crlr.ro/ (too bad site is down at the moment, they're very active)

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where the lie? all the northwest of the county is exclusively Ukrainian (even though most don't declare at the census). ask any Romanian from Dorna, Cimpulung or Humor, they will confirm it.

then, the villages around Radauti and Siret to Suceava some are Ukrainian, some are Romanian, some are Russian (Lipovan).

while in the centre of the county there's a small region of Polish villages (around Cacica).

any Romanian from Suceava county can confirm it. I know it's little known outside, since these ethnic communities make no fuss around this. but this doesn't give you Vlach the right to deny it.

Ukrainians' Union in Romania (centred on Suceava, Maramures and Timisoara communities): https://uur.ro/index.php/uk/

Poles' Union in Romania (centred on Suceava community): https://dompolski.ro/pl/dom/

Lipovan Russians' Union in Romania (centred on Tulcea, Suceava and Iasi communities): https://www.crlr.ro/ (too bad site is down at the moment, they're very active)

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Why are you linking those websites when they contain nothing to prove your ridiculous assertions? Your claim that 1/3 of Suceava county is Ukrainian, Polish and Russian only that for some reason those they choose not to declare as such in the census is questionable at best, and you haven't provided a modicum of evidence. You're full of shit.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

where the lie? all the northwest of the county is exclusively Ukrainian (even though most don't declare at the census). ask any Romanian from Dorna, Cimpulung or Humor, they will confirm it.

then, the villages around Radauti and Siret to Suceava some are Ukrainian, some are Romanian, some are Russian (Lipovan).

while in the centre of the county there's a small region of Polish villages (around Cacica).

any Romanian from Suceava county can confirm it. I know it's little known outside, since these ethnic communities make no fuss around this. but this doesn't give you Vlach the right to deny it.

Ukrainians' Union in Romania (centred on Suceava, Maramures and Timisoara communities): https://uur.ro/index.php/uk/

Poles' Union in Romania (centred on Suceava community): https://dompolski.ro/pl/dom/

Lipovan Russians' Union in Romania (centred on Tulcea, Suceava and Iasi communities): https://www.crlr.ro/ (too bad site is down at the moment, they're very active)

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lol...Don't tell me Brasov county is a Polish area too.

Croat from western Croatia/north Adriatic region (island of Krk and Senj). Belongs to native Illyrian J2b2 haplogroup.
https://i.imgur.com/iCsKieK.png

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Why are you linking those websites when they contain nothing to prove your ridiculous assertions? Your claim that 1/3 of Suceava county is Ukrainian, Polish and Russian only that for some reason those they choose not to declare as such in the census is questionable at best, and you haven't provided a modicum of evidence. You're full of shit.

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I believe, and that is only tip of iceberg there is many facts of history you Italian wannabes keep sweeping under rug

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Why are you linking those websites when they contain nothing to prove your ridiculous assertions? Your claim that 1/3 of Suceava county is Ukrainian, Polish and Russian only that for some reason those they choose not to declare as such in the census is questionable at best, and you haven't provided a modicum of evidence. You're full of shit.

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I said any Romanian from Suceava county can confirm it, why don't you just ask one, idiot? Romanians, Ukrainians, Poles, Russians and Germans live in peace in Suceava county. and mix. large chunks of the territory is exclusive Ukrainian-inhabited but it makes for a small population, because it's mountainside villages and hamlets with huge forests between. the same for northeast Maramures county.

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lol...Don't tell me Brasov county is a Polish area too.

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same - why don't you ask someone from Suceava county? anyone can confirm it.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

same - why don't you ask someone from Suceava county? anyone can confirm it.

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Why did you thumb me down? For asking if Poles are in Brasov.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Croat from western Croatia/north Adriatic region (island of Krk and Senj). Belongs to native Illyrian J2b2 haplogroup.
https://i.imgur.com/iCsKieK.png

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Alright, I got his correct results with full values, he is in southern Croatian range, nothing unusual actually :thumb001:

K13

1 Baltic 30.83
2 North_Atlantic 26.60
3 West_Med 18.29
4 West_Asian 10.34
5 East_Med 9.35
6 Red_Sea 1.63
7 Amerindian 1.19

1 Moldavian @ 5.242047
2 Croatian @ 7.037681
3 Serbian @ 7.859838
4 Hungarian @ 8.765019
5 Romanian @ 11.162214
6 Austrian @ 11.861690
7 East_German @ 12.691266
8 Bulgarian @ 13.741311
9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 13.843511
10 South_Polish @ 14.924682
11 Ukrainian @ 15.478262
12 Polish @ 18.677946
13 West_German @ 19.266777
14 Southwest_Russian @ 19.924641
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 20.034492
16 South_Dutch @ 20.726995
17 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.423149
18 French @ 21.653101
19 Estonian_Polish @ 22.223413
20 Tatar @ 22.492161


K15

1 Baltic 20.42
2 North_Sea 18.69
3 Atlantic 15.22
4 West_Med 14.56
5 Eastern_Euro 13
6 West_Asian 8.57
7 East_Med 6.39
8 Red_Sea 1.67
9 Amerindian 0.78
10 Oceanian 0.43
11 Sub-Saharan 0.28

1 Moldavian 4.43
2 Croatian 5.54
3 Hungarian 7.22
4 Serbian 7.53
5 Romanian 8.96
6 Austrian 9.23
7 East_German 10.7
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.76
9 Bulgarian 11.21
10 South_Polish 11.49
11 Ukrainian 11.62
12 Polish 14.22
13 Russian_Smolensk 15.12
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.41
15 Southwest_Russian 15.98
16 Estonian_Polish 17.24
17 South_Dutch 17.36
18 Belorussian 17.4
19 French 17.68
20 Southwest_Finnish 17.69

His PCA:
https://i.imgur.com/HWGHyRF.png

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Why did you thumb me down? For asking if Poles are in Brasov.

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don't play dumb now - you've ironically said it in reaction to what you considered a ludicrous claim, that is Poles, Ukrainians, Russians and Germans live in Suceava county as natives. which is annoying, since some of these communities have been in this county before Vlachs both in the mountains and in the towns. then addign Brasov, which is deep in the south and has nothing to do with us. to answer your question - no, don't be afraid, you will only find Romanians and Gypsies in Brasov county, no Germans left. and stop playing the Romanian card, you're not one.

both you and Carpatz can fuckin' ask a Romanian from Suceava county - any random one will confirm what I've said. also that census data is totally irrelevant, for some reason only 1/10 minority ethnics choose to declare at the census, both from ignorance and from fear of not being labelled as a foreigner / not to be subjected to any requirements/disadvantage following that.

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Ethnicity: Romanian
Region: Suceava

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Seems a bit west shifted to me. If he is mixed it's unlikely that it is polish or russian or ukrainian. Hungarian is more likely but who knows!? In K13 his Baltic is not unusual for a moldovan romanian but his north-atlantic is elevated so we're thinking an admixture from an ethnicity that has similar baltic but higher north-atlantic.

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Seems a bit west shifted to me. If he is mixed it's unlikely that it is polish or russian or ukrainian. Hungarian is more likely but who knows!?

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he's very close to me, just a bit more southern - so he can be ukrainian-mixed, since Ukrainians in Bucovina and Galicia, the Carpathians in general, have a bit more Balkan-like admix than average. average Ukrainian are already 20% Balkan, imagine those in the Carpathians. a Moldovan-Ukrainian mix on here would end up Croat-, Slovene-, Bosnian- or at most Hungarian-like

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he's very close to me, just a bit more southern - so he can be ukrainian-mixed, since Ukrainians in Bucovina and Galicia, the Carpathians in general, have a bit more Balkan-like admix than average. average Ukrainian are already 20% Balkan, imagine those in the Carpathians. a Moldovan-Ukrainian mix on here would end up Croat-, Slovene-, Bosnian- or at most Hungarian-like

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I'm thinking that if the average northern moldovan romanian scores like your friend from botosani or me then any ukrainian (even the southernmost) admixture would keep the baltic in the low to mid 30% and the north-atlantic no higher than mid 20%. I have a connection on 23andme, from Suceava/Botosani who has a similar result to mine but as I learned this doesn't always translate to similar results on gedmatch.

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don't play dumb now - you've ironically said it in reaction to what you considered a ludicrous claim, that is Poles, Ukrainians, Russians and Germans live in Suceava county as natives. which is annoying, since some of these communities have been in this county before Vlachs both in the mountains and in the towns. then addign Brasov, which is deep in the south and has nothing to do with us. to answer your question - no, don't be afraid, you will only find Romanians and Gypsies in Brasov county, no Germans left. and stop playing the Romanian card, you're not one.

both you and Carpatz can fuckin' ask a Romanian from Suceava county - any random one will confirm what I've said. also that census data is totally irrelevant, for some reason only 1/10 minority ethnics choose to declare at the census, both from ignorance and from fear of not being labelled as a foreigner / not to be subjected to any requirements/disadvantage following that.

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That’s great, likes I give two shits about Sueceva. See, you can explain yourself without some pussy ass, passive aggressive thumbs down. Be a man and explain yourself. Was that so hard? You shouldn’t play dumb and act like you don’t have anti-Romanian agenda. Why do you think every Romania on here dislikes you? It’s not because you’re honest it is because you’re a troll. My guess is that your another one of these Polish dudes LARPing as a Romanian. So just just cut the crap.

Btw, I identify as American but are you doubting I have Romanian ancestry?

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Seems a bit west shifted to me. If he is mixed it's unlikely that it is polish or russian or ukrainian. Hungarian is more likely but who knows!? In K13 his Baltic is not unusual for a moldovan romanian but his north-atlantic is elevated so we're thinking an admixture from an ethnicity that has similar baltic but higher north-atlantic.

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He doesn't need to be mixed in my view. Every ethnicity has little bit of variation. His results don't seem unusual for full Moldovan.
Unlike banned member Incelslayer, who clusters exactly above Hungarian dot LOL!

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Originally Posted by Zmey Gorynych

I'm thinking that if the average northern moldovan romanian scores like your friend from botosani or me then any ukrainian (even the southernmost) admixture would keep the baltic in the low to mid 30% and the north-atlantic no higher than mid 20%. I have a connection on 23andme, from Suceava/Botosani who has a similar result to mine but as I learned this doesn't always translate to similar results on gedmatch.

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the friend from Botosani has a Ukrainian last name (funnily he's a Carpatz-like Romanian nationalist xD) and his dad's village abounds of Ukrainian last names. all other Moldovans that posted on here are much less Slavic and more Balkan than him or the Rep. Moldova Moldovans, I think you've noticed. and Suceava-Botosani people are suspect of recent admix if they score like that, just look at the Bucovina ethnic map less than 100 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

the friend from Botosani has a Ukrainian last name (funnily he's a Carpatz-like Romanian nationalist xD) and his dad's village abounds of Ukrainian last names. all other Moldovans that posted on here are much less Slavic and more Balkan than him or the Rep. Moldova Moldovans, I think you've noticed. and Suceava-Botosani people are suspect of recent admix if they score like that, just look at the Bucovina ethnic map less than 100 years ago.

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Cool story my Polish friend

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He doesn't need to be mixed in my view. Every ethnicity has little bit of variation. His results don't seem unusual for full Moldovan.
Unlike banned member Incelslayer, who clusters exactly above Hungarian dot LOL!

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That is a pathetic nigga

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That is a pathetic nigga

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He also gets Hungary on 23andme, and Stears gets no Romania :laugh:
Similar story like HungryLion for Serbs, Incel is extreme outlier for Moldovans, both Romanian and Republic ones.

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He doesn't need to be mixed in my view. Every ethnicity has little bit of variation. His results don't seem unusual for full Moldovan.
Unlike banned member Incelslayer, who clusters exactly above Hungarian dot LOL!

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What is his result exactly? I've noticed you mentioned him a few times but I've never seen the numbers and don't know where he's from (counties I mean). I take it he's not aware of any foreign ancestry.

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the friend from Botosani has a Ukrainian last name (funnily he's a Carpatz-like Romanian nationalist xD) and his dad's village abounds of Ukrainian last names. all other Moldovans that posted on here are much less Slavic and more Balkan than him or the Rep. Moldova Moldovans, I think you've noticed. and Suceava-Botosani people are suspect of recent admix if they score like that, just look at the Bucovina ethnic map less than 100 years ago.

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I didn't know about the name.

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He also gets Hungary on 23andme, and Stears gets no Romania :laugh:
Similar story like HungryLion for Serbs, Incel is extreme outlier for Moldovans, both Romanian and Republic ones.

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Yet he was anti hungarian to the bone, later he acknowledged he is partly hungarian...

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I said any Romanian from Suceava county can confirm it, why don't you just ask one, idiot? Romanians, Ukrainians, Poles, Russians and Germans live in peace in Suceava county. and mix. large chunks of the territory is exclusive Ukrainian-inhabited but it makes for a small population, because it's mountainside villages and hamlets with huge forests between. the same for northeast Maramures county.

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No need to get upset. Sure, ethnic minorities exist obviously, only you pull numbers out of your ass to fit your victim agenda. 1/3 of Suceava is ethnic ukrainian, yet somehow no one noticed besides you. Cut the crap man.

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What is his result exactly? I've noticed you mentioned him a few times but I've never seen the numbers and don't know where he's from (counties I mean). I take it he's not aware of any foreign ancestry.

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Capatz posted thread about his results. He claims to be full Romanian from Romanian Moldova. I don't know which county/town, Carpatz and maybe Aspirin do so they can say.

Spoiler!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...20/unknown.png
https://image.ibb.co/kj5goH/eurok15map.png
https://image.ibb.co/gU4J2c/eurok36map2.png
https://image.ibb.co/dLNQhc/k13.png
https://image.ibb.co/kLnuax/eurok15oracle4.png
https://image.ibb.co/b7Kkhc/dodecadk12b.png
https://image.ibb.co/d9DZax/mdlpk16.png

J2a Y haplogrup, J1c mtdna.

Btw, his 23andme updated, but I can't find newer pic (he has Budapest, Hungary in update as far as I know)

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He also gets Hungary on 23andme, and Stears gets no Romania :laugh:
Similar story like HungryLion for Serbs, Incel is extreme outlier for Moldovans, both Romanian and Republic ones.

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He doesn't get Hungary on 23andme. Stop lying on the internet and go feed Odeon.

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Btw, his 23andme updated, but I can't find newer pic (he has Budapest, Hungary in update as far as I know)

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I have a reply regarding Incelslayer and talking when he cant defend himself

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Not only that it is a coward move but you also are not allowed to talk about a perma-banned member.He said that its nice that you take the time to post so much on TA but you better should go back to stir the porridge cause if it burns your Deadbeat husband will go hungry and beat you gain since he alcohol binges quite often

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

the friend from Botosani has a Ukrainian last name (funnily he's a Carpatz-like Romanian nationalist xD) and his dad's village abounds of Ukrainian last names. all other Moldovans that posted on here are much less Slavic and more Balkan than him or the Rep. Moldova Moldovans, I think you've noticed. and Suceava-Botosani people are suspect of recent admix if they score like that, just look at the Bucovina ethnic map less than 100 years ago.

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What is his surname?