60% Slav, 40% Vlach
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60% Slav, 40% Vlach
https://i.imgur.com/QZ6THAv.jpg
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K15 updated:
Distance to: Hapanuwa
7.08593678 Turkish_Balikesir
7.57161145 Turkish_Aydin
11.02207331 Turkish_Adana
12.98173332 Turkish_Anatolia
13.10771147 Turkish_Kayseri
13.91815721 Greek_Crete
14.26802719 Ashkenazi
14.78313566 Central_Greek
15.74886980 Italy_Abruzzo
15.80473980 East_Sicilian
16.30740016 Italy_East_Sicily
16.44045924 Italy_Apulia
16.46466148 GR_Macedonia
16.72394092 Italy_Calabria
16.87605108 South_Italian
16.90617158 GR_Peloponese
16.95412339 Italy_West_Sicily
17.43754857 Italy_Central_Sicily
17.45474148 Italy_Campania
17.51605549 Greek_Thessaly
17.62660773 Azerbaijani
18.98275797 Greek
19.00163151 Albanian-South
19.26503309 Turkmen
19.37138870 Albanian-North
K15 ancient
Distance to: Hapanuwa
14.74695562 Crimean_Goth_KER1
16.47115661 ArmenianChalcolithic_I1632
17.37892689 Ottoman_MA2196
17.54890310 ArmeniaCA_I1631
17.94987465 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
18.65233229 ArmenianChalcolithic_I1407
19.40105152 IA_Ardea_R850
19.87176640 ArmenianChalcolithic_I1634
20.19720278 ChalcolithicAgeAnatolian
20.46857592 Kipchak_DA179
22.51827702 Mycenaean_I9006
23.33960368 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2200
23.37690099 Bavaria_STR310
24.04829100 Kurdistan_Medieval_I1955
24.04829100 LateMedieval_Iranian
24.49744885 Kurdistan_EIA_F38
24.94518190 IronAgeBalkan
24.95639597 CopperAgeIran_I4241
25.68103775 ArmeniaMBA_RISE423
26.33477169 Mycenaean_I9041
27.57386988 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
27.65777106 CopperAgeIran_I4351
27.86212303 Canaanite_ERS1790730
28.04289393 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
28.65835655 Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212
Btw does someone know what IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437 means? I got like 20-30% of that.
Target: Impaler
Distance: 1.3715% / 1.37149756
23.4 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
12.0 LaBrana(Spain)
10.0 Canaanite_ERS1790729
9.6 WC1_Iran
8.6 AnatoliaEarlyNeolithic_Tep003
8.2 MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871
7.2 CheddarMan
7.0 MezhovskayaLBA_RISE523
7.0 Motala_12(Sweden)
4.8 Hoabinhian_LA368
1.2 Malta
0.6 BronzeAgeSteppe_RISE493
0.4 Carpathian_Oase1
Target: Impaler
Distance: 4.5082% / 4.50817125 | ADC: 0.25x
39.2 Bavaria_STR310
19.6 Canaanite_ERS1790729
11.4 Sunghir6
7.8 Kipchak_DA179
7.0 Carpathian_Oase1
6.6 Loschbour
4.6 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
1.8 Kurdistan_Medieval_I1955
1.2 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
0.8 LateMedieval_Iranian
Who are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
WHAT IS BAVARIA_STR310
FTDNA
Target: Bosniensis
Distance: 2.0201% / 2.02007412 | ADC: 0.25x
49.4 Sunghir6
17.8 Bavaria_STR310
15.8 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
9.2 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
3.0 IA_Ardea_R850
2.8 Canaanite_ERS1790729
1.4 MENA_GladiatorYork_3DRIF26
0.6 Carpathian_Oase1
Target: Bosniensis
Distance: 4.2411% / 4.24111992 | ADC: 0.5x
43.8 Sunghir6
26.4 Bavaria_STR310
26.0 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
2.8 IA_Ardea_R850
1.0 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
I am just a bit more Vlach like 45% maybe or 50%, but everything else is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
https://i.imgur.com/0GoDH6l.png
22% Slav, 26% Celt, 37% Illyrian, 16% Vlach :lightbul:
https://i.imgur.com/u5bxMGt.png
You seem Slavic in language only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
Distance to: Me
12.80295278 Sunghir6
14.67257987 HallstattCelt_DA112
Target: Me
Distance: 0.4415% / 0.44151980
47.2 Sunghir6
19.4 MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871
10.6 Minoan_Lasithi_I0073
5.2 MakoCultureHungary_BR1
3.4 RemedelloCulture_RISE489
3.0 MalakPreslavets_I0700
2.4 ChalcolithicAgeAnatolian
2.4 SatsurbliaCHG
1.8 Kura_Araxes
1.6 Motala_12(Sweden)
1.0 EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569
1.0 RemedelloCulture_RISE487
0.4 XiongNu_DA43
0.2 NeolithicGACFarmer_RISE1168
0.2 Ottoman_MA2195
0.2 Srubnaya_I0232
...Verdict?
I have Schythian sample in top 4, not sure why there is no more Slavic component in distances. Bavaria sample is not clean also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Target: BaiNed
Distance: 5.6417% / 5.64167578 | ADC: 0.5x
71.6 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
18.8 Sunghir6
4.8 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
3.8 Canaanite_ERS1790729
1.0 ArmeniaCA_I1631
Target: BaiNed
Distance: 2.7334% / 2.73338162 | ADC: 0.25x
53.4 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
21.4 Sunghir6
11.8 Canaanite_ERS1790729
7.8 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
5.6 MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871
Salve citizens
My single score without DIST COL...Quote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
28.4 Sunghir6
8.0 MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871
7.0 Kurdistan_Medieval_I1955
6.8 Srubnaya_I0232
6.0 LaBrana(Spain)
5.2 LateMedieval_Iranian
4.8 EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569
4.0 AnatolianEF_I0746
3.8 NE1_Starcevo(Hungary)
3.4 Motala_12(Sweden)
2.8 AnatolianEF_I0707
2.6 AnatolianEF_I0709
2.6 Minoan_Lasithi_I0073
1.8 CovachadelAngel_COV20126
1.6 RemedelloCulture_RISE487
1.2 AnatoliaEarlyNeolithic_Tep003
1.0 Andronovo_RISE500
1.0 Hoabinhian_LA368
1.0 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
0.6 IA_Ardea_R850
0.6 Mota1
0.6 Namazga_DA381
0.6 R1aM417_I6561
0.6 Turkmenistan_IA
0.6 WC1_Iran
0.4 Andronovo_RISE505
0.4 BeakerNorthItaly_I2477
0.4 CheddarMan
0.4 LevantPPNB_I0867
0.4 MENA_GladiatorYork_3DRIF26
0.2 AnatolianEF_I1583
0.2 ArmenianChalcolithic_I1634
0.2 BR2_Hungary
0.2 Canaanite_ERS1790729
0.2 Loschbour
0.2 MakoCultureHungary_BR1
0.2 Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212
Italian, you know what I mean, Western RomanQuote:
Btw does someone know what IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437 means? I got like 20-30% of that.
Not Eastern Roman there is a difference, and not Espana Roman either
I've Removed BAVARIA 310... and got clearer results: (because BAVARIA 310 is mixed)
Target: Bosniensis
Distance: 2.0968% / 2.09676878 | ADC: 0.25x
48.6 Sunghir6
20.6 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
18.4 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
5.2 MedievalHungarian_DA199
3.0 Kipchak_DA179
1.8 LateMedieval_Iranian
1.2 Kostenki14
0.8 Canaanite_ERS1790729
0.4 Kurdistan_Medieval_I1955
Are Loschbour and LaBrana(Spain) older samples than Sunghir6?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Single score without DIST COL
Target: MI
Distance: 0.1400% / 0.13996033
13.4 Loschbour
12.8 LaBrana(Spain)
11.0 Sunghir6
5.6 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
5.6 KurdistanChalcolithic_I1662
5.6 MakoCultureHungary_BR1
5.4 MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871
4.6 ArmenianChalcolithic_I1634
4.6 EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569
4.0 CovachadelAngel_COV20126
3.6 EarlyBA_PL_N17
1.6 IA_Ardea_R850
1.6 Motala_12(Sweden)
1.4 ArmeniaCA_I1631
1.4 ArmenianChalcolithic_I1407
1.4 BR2_Hungary
1.4 Kura_Araxes
1.4 Minoan_Lasithi_I0073
1.2 Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212
1.0 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2200
1.0 MENA_GladiatorYork_3DRIF26
0.8 AnatoliaEarlyNeolithic_Tep003
0.8 ArmenianEBA_I1635
0.8 KurdistanChalcolithic_I1674
0.8 Minoan_Lasithi_I0074
0.6 Andronovo_RISE500
0.6 Minoan_Lasithi_I9005
0.4 AnatolianEF_I0707
0.4 ArmeniaMBA_RISE423
0.4 Canaanite_ERS1790729
0.4 CheddarMan
0.4 EMBA_Croatia_I4331
0.4 UneticeBellBeaker_RISE577
0.2 AnatolianEF_I0709
0.2 Boncuklu002
0.2 Celt_Hinxton1
0.2 CopperAgeNorthAfrican_I4246
0.2 HallstattCelt_DA111
0.2 IA_Civitavecchia_R475
0.2 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
0.2 IberiaMBA_ATP9
0.2 LevantPPNB_I0867
0.2 Mota1
0.2 Mycenaean_I9041
0.2 Poltavka_I0432
0.2 Przeclawice_RISE150
0.2 RemedelloCulture_RISE487
0.2 Sintashta_RISE395
0.2 Srubnaya_I0232
0.2 Srubnaya_I0423
0.2 Yamnaya_RISE548
You have 3% real Turkic genes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
not big deal, Modern Turks have from 10-18% .. still not enough to be a Turk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
he is an Italian Roman individal burried in Germany i believeQuote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
My result without BAVARIA sample, just getting more central Europe (medieval Hungaria and CzechSlav), probably mixed with Slavs components.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
https://i.imgur.com/wi1Xvvm.png
K15 Ancient
No ADC
Target: oszkar
Distance: 0.7692% / 0.76922495
19.4 Andronovo_RISE500
18.6 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
13.8 CheddarMan
13.4 Sunghir6
11.4 CovachadelAngel_COV20126
7.6 BeakerBritain_I2443
5.0 JordanEBA_I1705
3.6 Gokturk_DA89
3.2 Srubnaya_I0232
1.6 BeakerNorthItaly_I2478
1.4 ArmenianChalcolithic_I1634
1.0 IA_Ardea_R850
i suggest you remove all WHG's and EEfs, results make much more sense thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
here's mine:
Distance: 1.3212% / 1.32115056
58.0 Sunghir6 (Slavic)
12.4 MakoCultureHungary_BR1 (proto-Pannonian)
11.0 Minoan_Lasithi_I0073 (Greek)
10.0 IA_Ardea_R850 (Italic)
6.0 Minoan_Lasithi_I0074 (Greek)
1.0 JordanEBA_I1730 (levantine)
1.0 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206 (Assyrian)
0.4 Bot15 (proto-Indo-Iranian from Kazakhstan)
0.2 GoldenHorde_DA28 (Mongolic)
What exactly to remove?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
How times have changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
When I spoke in 2014 and 2015 about Roman ancestry of South Slavs, I was ridiculed as a complete mad man. Noone understood what I was talking about (except few).
People need to understand that ANATOLIANS got 15% Turkic admixture after 1000 years of mixing with Turks, yet we have 40%+ Roman/Vlach admixture.. Go figure.
search the sample names here, if they are older than 3500 bc, remove themQuote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map...#3/38.62/90.88
Without Bavaria. So mixed, a bit of everything. :icon_biggrin:
Target: Impaler
Distance: 1.4256% / 1.42561753
25.0 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
14.6 MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871
10.2 CheddarMan
9.8 Canaanite_ERS1790729
9.2 WC1_Iran
7.4 AnatoliaEarlyNeolithic_Tep003
5.6 Srubnaya_I0423
5.2 Hoabinhian_LA368
3.8 Poltavka_I0432
3.6 Motala_12(Sweden)
2.2 BronzeAgeSteppe_RISE493
1.8 Malta
1.2 Srubnaya_I0232
0.4 Carpathian_Oase1
Target: Impaler
Distance: 4.4564% / 4.45638909 | ADC: 0.25x
25.0 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
16.8 MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871
12.4 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
9.4 Kipchak_DA179
8.2 Canaanite_ERS1790729
8.0 GoyetQ116_1
4.6 LateMedieval_Iranian
4.4 KaramanKalehoyuk_MA2206
4.0 Kurdistan_Medieval_I1955
3.6 Carpathian_Oase1
2.2 Crimean_Goth_KER1
1.4 Kangju_DA125
MDLP 11
Distance to: ritz06
11.79216265 Hungary_IronAge
16.88055686 Armenia_LBA
19.25952492 Armenia_Chalcolithic
19.43652747 Irish_BA
19.69511615 Bell_Beaker
19.85061712 Nordic_BattleAxe
20.78618772 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN
20.88622273 Unetice_MBA
22.32341596 Alberstedt_LN
22.38633735 Armenia_MBA
22.45769801 Armenia_MLBA
22.74725698 Nordic_MN_B
22.79114960 Nordic_LN
22.92429715 British_Celtic
23.39279590 Bell_Beaker_Germany
24.15183016 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland
24.40206549 Halberstadt_LBA
24.51363090 Crete_Armenoi_I9123
24.84647259 Nordic_IA
24.85437788 Bell_Beaker_Czech
24.99318507 Unetice_EBA
25.37480837 British_IronAge
25.40289157 Corded_Ware_Estonia
25.64458227 Russia_IA
25.97426996 Scythian_IA
Target: ritz06
Distance: 0.3517% / 0.35169570
31.8 Bell_Beaker
21.4 Armenia_MLBA
14.2 Minoan_Lasithi_I0070
11.8 Paglicci108_Gravettian
6.0 Kotias_CHG
4.4 Iran_Chalcolithic
3.0 Corded_Ware_Chalcolithic
2.8 Minoan_Odigitria_I9127
2.0 Alberstedt_LN
1.6 Levant_BA
0.8 Iron_Age
0.2 Botocudo_Amerindian
What is CheddarMan?
Cumanskys great grandfatherQuote:
Originally Posted by Impaler
Too much work :DQuote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Anyway even if I remove old samples and get more Slavic new ones then obviously what is currently known as most "Slavic" is probably half old European in genetic sense, not Slavic Asian-like.
EUtest
Distance to: Helena
4.44344461 Portuguese
4.64563236 Spanish
9.51256012 North_Italian
11.22652217 French
14.11217914 Tuscan
18.33255847 Kosovar_1
20.48502868 Albanian_1
20.59014327 French_Basque
20.61272180 Austrian
21.07704913 Cornish
21.63019649 Bulgarian_1
21.77137111 West_&_Central_German
22.23876795 Dutch
22.44789300 English
22.67051168 Romanian
22.83770347 Serbian
24.26528796 Maltese_1
24.49370736 Orcadian
24.68484353 Hungarian
24.69897771 Irish
25.40032480 Scottish
26.01374829 South_Italian_&_Sicilian
26.09019116 SerbianBosnia
26.19161889 Danish
27.07351473 Slovenian_1
Target: Helena
Distance: 2.5291% / 2.52910057
62.2 Portuguese
18.4 French_Basque
8.6 Spanish
7.4 Druze
3.2 Tuscan
0.2 South_Indian
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K13
Distance to: Helena
2.98536430 Spanish_Extremadura
3.30517776 Spanish_Andalucia
4.43253878 Portuguese
4.73093014 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
4.85273119 Spanish_Murcia
5.16543319 Spanish_Galicia
5.27676037 Spanish_Valencia
5.43370040 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
6.07916935 Spanish_Cataluna
6.97528494 Spanish_Cantabria
8.18527947 Spanish_Aragon
9.14620140 North_Italian
9.35904910 Southwest_French
9.43312780 Swiss_Italian
13.32284504 French
14.57673489 Swiss_French
16.11432282 Tuscan
17.15288022 Swiss_German
20.25564859 South_Dutch
20.27124071 West_German
21.33221273 French_Basque
21.81166938 Kosovo_Albanian
22.07629498 Albanian
22.14936300 North_Macedonian
22.99224000 Bosniak_Sandzak
Target: Helena
Distance: 0.4080% / 0.40797249
21.4 French_Basque
18.4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
11.8 Sardinian
11.8 Southwest_English
8.6 Tuscan
7.2 Swiss_Italian
4.2 Austrian
3.8 Spanish_Aragon
2.8 Ethiopian_Tigray
2.2 Greek_Caucasus
2.0 Moroccan_Jew
2.0 North_Italian
1.0 Georgian_imereti
1.0 Samaritan
0.4 Balochi
0.4 Papuan
0.4 Southwest_French
0.2 Albanian
0.2 Saudi
0.2 Yemenite_Jewish
You are western - Celtic influenced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
I don't understand how is that practically Serbian average on all these calculators, since you get us on very close distance.
You are correct Doctor but youre still our favourite mad manQuote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
The MesolithicNeolithicSerbia is whg as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
I'm not that much on average Serbian result, more western of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
But I'd say that besides western Celtic influence I have some more southern influence also (may be from my eastern Serbian part of ancestry) so it pulls me towards average, north-west - south-east, instead of north-east - south-east as more Slavic influenced results.
Distance to: MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871
10.92870990 Ajvide58(Sweden)
12.29909753 Motala_12(Sweden)
14.74329339 EarlyBA_PL_N17
15.05179059 CheddarMan
16.40700765 Srubnaya_I0232
17.07114232 NeolithicUkraine_I1736
19.48313373 EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569
21.63801054 Sintashta_RISE395
21.99648836 Poltavka_I0432
22.10142077 Srubnaya_I0423
22.36443158 HallstattCelt_DA112
22.52394726 Sunghir6
22.64208250 BronzAgeSilesian_I6531
23.50864735 Cimmerian_Cim357
23.52413229 Potapovka_I0419
24.18372593 BronzAgeBulgarian
24.38725897 Srubnaya_I0430
24.45715846 MezhovskayaLBA_RISE523
24.78054681 Sintashta_RISE386
25.04354807 Andronovo_RISE500
25.27060941 R1aM417_I6561
25.29726072 MigrationPeriod_DA119
26.16786006 Andronovo_RISE505
26.57602491 BeakerBritain_I2443
27.15514132 BronzeAgeNetherlands_I4070
Target: MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871
Distance: 4.0647% / 4.06469002
54.0 Motala_12(Sweden)
43.8 CheddarMan
2.2 Sunghir6
:fponder::fponder:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
How do Albanians match with those new samples from Rome and Etruria?
My dad K15 - he is typical Croat with definite 10% of Germanic influence - maybe from his NW Croat part.
Target: Tata
Distance: 5.5563% / 5.55628649
78.8 Croat_Bosnia
9.4 West_Norwegian
5.8 Latvian
5.4 Cypriot
0.6 Dai
Spoiler!
here is my dad's k15 ancient, not sure what all of it means
https://i.imgur.com/yc0T4di.png
Yes, my family gets a lot of it. We get extremelly weird results at K15 ancient, more than 50% WHG. Very unrealistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Target: MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871
Distance: 4.0647% / 4.06469002
54.0 Motala_12(Sweden)
43.8 CheddarMan
2.2 Sunghir6