Let's not add them for now. They aren't very important and the sample size is too small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amon
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Let's not add them for now. They aren't very important and the sample size is too small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amon
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Do you think the Huns that invaded Europe in the 4-5th centuries were like that? The SSA is just sample contamination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
That is really the lower limit, less would be mixed with Iranics/Ugrics. I don’t know whether they mixes with them before their invasion. This is a random finding, i miss samples from real hunnics. Maybe they were more like Bashkir/Uzbek mix. If they were really Turkic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Huns in Europe subjugated many Slavic, Germanic and Alanic tribes and more. They must be mixed with them. Especially Sarmatians remnants who had similar nomadic culture. But according to historical descriptions Attila had Asian-Turanid traits.
Two Iranian results, I think they are from Gilan (but not 100percent sure):
Gedrosian: 31.22
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 1.86
North_European: 5.72
South_Asian: 4.85
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.68
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 45.62
SSA: 0.05
Distance to: Iranshc
6.50756483 Iran_Mazandaran
7.60119727 Iranian
7.92550314 Kurd_KAZ
8.75090852 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.68324842 Lur_Iran
11.49238443 Zaza
12.27580955 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.63782418 Kurd_Sorani
12.86582294 Iranian_Fars
13.41519288 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.09410160 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.02522546 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.12277422 Turkmen_Iraq
15.37135648 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.85559207 Azerbaijani
16.13706293 Turk_Ahiska
16.34940366 Iran_Khorasan
16.57836844 Turk_East
17.10459880 Georgian_mixed
17.46151769 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
17.93790679 Azeri_Jew
18.07028223 Armenian_East
18.26198784 Ingush
18.27100982 Mandean
18.49014332 Abkhazian
Target: Iranshc
Distance: 3.4024% / 3.40239987 | ADC: 0.25x
78.4 Iran_Mazandaran
18.2 Georgian_Turkey
3.4 Georgian_Mingrelian
Gedrosian: 29.58
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 4.14
North_European: 7.80
South_Asian: 4.51
East_African: 0.55
Southwest_Asian: 11.57
East_Asian: 0.50
Caucasian: 40.78
SSA: 0.57
Distance to: Nsha
3.60513523 Iran_Mazandaran
3.60898878 Iranian
5.32484742 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.49437895 Kurd_KAZ
6.03250363 Lur_Iran
7.62737176 Iranian_Fars
7.98748396 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.11825720 Zaza
8.21486458 Kurd_Sorani
9.76539298 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.03294612 Turkmen_Iraq
11.21452629 Iran_Khorasan
11.37317898 Azerbaijani
11.57103280 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.60839352 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.76495644 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.62731349 Turk_Southeast
14.70015986 Turk_East
15.98207433 Iraqi_Baghdad
16.32161144 Ingush
16.60316837 Lezgin
16.64954654 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
16.66374508 Mandean
16.96137671 Azeri_Jew
16.97742913 Parsi_India
Target: Nsha
Distance: 1.1584% / 1.15836486 | ADC: 0.25x
64.8 Iran_Mazandaran
13.6 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.6 Kurd_KAZ
5.8 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Idk whether this calculator works well for them, but i found a Buddhist Mongolian(Golden Horde?) who lived 700 years ago. Y-Dna C-Y4541, found in Ulutau(Kazakhstan).
Gedrosia: -
Siberian: 51.67 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 0.13 Pct
North_European: 1.79 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: 44.95 Pct
Caucasus: 0.86 Pct
Sub_Saharan : 0.58 Pct
The next three are averages of Buryat(first), Mongolian/Khalkha(second) and Mongolians in China.
Gedrosia: 3.55 Pct
Siberian: 42.96 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 2.69 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 0.72 Pct
North_European: 5.49 Pct
South_Asian: 0.09 Pct
East_African: 0.02 Pct
Southwest_Asian: 0.25 Pct
East_Asian: 40.30 Pct
Caucasus: 3.82 Pct
Sub_Saharan :-
Gedrosia: 3.80 Pct
Siberian: 32.47 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.20 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 7.15Pct
Atlantic_Med: 1.64 Pct
North_European: 3.13 Pct
South_Asian: 0.68 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 0.15 Pct
East_Asian: 48.27 Pct
Caucasus: 2.51 Pct
Sub_Saharan : -
Gedrosia: 1.90 Pct
Siberian: 16.00 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 13.90 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 0.10 Pct
North_European: 1.80 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: 65.20 Pct
Caucasus: 1.10 Pct
Sub_Saharan : -
Any Kalmuk results or kits?
I had some, don't know if they're still available. Also a family (half Kalmyk half Russian woman and her relatives).Quote:
Originally Posted by Noble Cuman
Wow, he is strongly Chinese shifted. Just compare 16 Siberian to the 30-50 for normal MongolsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
I never would have thought that Mongolians would show genetic differences. I thought they are genetically very homogeneous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Mongols in modern China are heavily Sinicized. They speak Chinese more often than Mongolian and intermix with Han very often. However if that's an average from Dodecad I wouldn't pay too much attention to it since many if not most original averages from Dodecad are terribly inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Turk from Bursa:
Gedrosian: 13.95 Pct
Siberian: 7.79 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.88 Pct
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 15.10 Pct
North_European: 12.51 Pct
South_Asian: 1.47 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.24 Pct
East_Asian: 7.08 Pct
Caucasian: 32.00 Pct
SSA: -
Kalmyk average (I like the German word Kalmücke better :cool:)
4.18
34.5
0.27
3.84
1.92
6.85
0.35
0
0.61
43.49
3.9
0
Some Kalmyks are less than 80% East Eurasian. I think they absorbed some Turkics on their way to what is now Kalmykia back in the 17th century.
Georgian father from Tbilisi, Russian mother from Penza oblast. His son is half Ukrainian from Kiev oblast
Gedrosia 11.35 Pct
Siberian 2.82 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.34 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.18 Pct
North_European 33.81 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.85 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 33.65 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Using Georgia, Abkhazia, Laz, Russia and Ukraine only
Target: GT
Distance: 2.0788% / 2.07884340 | ADC: 0.25x
50.4 Ukrainian
49.6 Abkhazian
Target: GT
Distance: 1.2190% / 1.21900774
24.6 Georgian_Svan
21.2 Laz
20.0 Rus_Tver
11.0 Southwest_Rus
10.2 Rus_Pinega
9.6 Ukrainian
1.8 Georgian_mixed
1.6 Georgian_Adjara
Another brother with only Siberian and no East Asian, we must re-uniteQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
New match from Turkey (wonder what her ancestry or mix is):
name is a bit greek sounding
Gedrosian: 12.08
Siberian: 0.24
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 19.46
North_European: 14.87
South_Asian: 0.00
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.75
East_Asian: 2.23
Caucasian: 41.37
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: YK
7.80477418 Greek_Crete
8.34566354 Greek_Izmir
8.79742008 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.04734215 Greek_Kos
10.02038422 Turk_Central_West
10.72539976 Turk_Anatolia
10.94138017 Turk_Central_East
11.09469242 Greek_Foca
11.56228351 Turk_Southwest
11.67095969 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
11.83095939 Greek_Cappadocia
11.91405053 Turk_Northwest
12.19201788 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.28302276 Italy_Apulia
12.56009156 Turk_South
12.77914708 MD_Jewish
12.87166630 Italy_Calabria
13.06712669 Ashkenazi_Jews
13.58594807 Italy_Sicily
13.58877279 Italy_Campania
13.87229253 Turk_Southeast
14.05628329 Turk_East
14.06073256 Greek_Central
14.08133516 Greek_Athens
14.40258851 Italy_Abruzzo
Target: YK
Distance: 2.5421% / 2.54208617 | ADC: 0.25x
59.2 Greek_Izmir
23.4 Karachay
11.0 Greek_Cappadocia
5.6 Udi_Azerbaijan
0.4 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
0.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
Half Trabzon Turk + Half Balkan Turk ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Target: *
Distance: 2.9419% / 2.94193846
50.4 Turk_East_Black_Sea
49.6 Turk_Makedonya
Target: *
Distance: 2.7576% / 2.75756534 | ADC: 0.25x
50.4 Turk_Makedonya
49.6 Greek_Pontus
Edit: He can be half greek pontus + half mainland greek too if the name is greek.
Target: ****
Distance: 2.9803% / 2.98025283
50.4 Greek_Pontus
32.8 Greek_Macedonia
16.8 Greek_Central
Lukasz is pretty quick to add Kaspias' updates while ignoring what I send him for days. That is unfair. Just a side note.
Looks heavily Greek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Syrian
J2a2a2
J1c4b
Gedrosia 11.87 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.64 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.82 Pct
North_European 5.17 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 3.32 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.44 Pct
East_Asian 1.99 Pct
Caucasus 38.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Yussef
4.36076828 Syrian_A
4.46694526 Lebanese_Muslim
5.89291948 Syrian_B
6.04453472 Nusayri_Turkey
7.02524733 Syrian_C
8.23286099 Palestinian
8.76424555 Lebanese_Christian
9.29219027 Palestinian_Christian
9.74429064 Syria_SW_Christian
10.89727030 Greek_Kos
Target: Yussef
Distance: 1.7634% / 1.76341042 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Lebanese_Muslim
8.0 Italy_Campania
3.6 Italy_Tuscany
1.4 Korean
1.0 Ethiopian_Jews
Lebanese (I presume of Muslim background but not sure)
Gedrosia 13.77 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.15 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.85 Pct
North_European 1.80 Pct
South_Asian 0.60 Pct
East_African 3.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 21.22 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Caucasus 38.96 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.52 Pct
Distance to: Lena's_mom
3.01542700 Lebanese_Muslim
3.15925624 Syrian_A
4.51496401 Syrian_C
5.52482579 Syrian_B
5.52877925 Nusayri_Turkey
5.64269439 Palestinian
6.57142298 Lebanese_Christian
7.31513500 Palestinian_Christian
7.38750296 Syria_SW_Christian
8.80519165 Iraqi_Jew
Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 1.9446% / 1.94458316 | ADC: 0.5x
61.2 Lebanese_Muslim
33.6 Syrian_C
5.2 Mandean
Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 1.3518% / 1.35175069 | ADC: 0.25x
48.6 Syrian_C
18.8 Lebanese_Muslim
16.2 Mandean
14.2 Nusayri_Turkey
1.2 Sardinian
1.0 Syrian_B
Hasn't forgotten about 1939 I'd wagerQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
We need more Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians to be posted here and less Uzbeks, Mongolians and whatnot. The Syrian guy is interesting the high Atlantic_Med and North European together with his non-noise level East Asian makes me think that his Anatolian Turkish side must be from southern Turkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yes but Uzbeks and Mongolians are actually pretty rare. Tajiks are even rarer. I want to see more of them personally being from the former Soviet Union. It's just Bender who has been reposting previously shared results (not always though). And Kyp is largely interested in Iran, Azerbaijan and Turkey as far as I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
Syria as a whole seems pretty mixed. Those averages were made by Amon, I don't know the guy's background whether or not he is Middle Eastern himself. My knowledge of the Levant is limited and comes mainly from TA and Wikipedia lol.
I once said that we also need more eastern Iranic results/Afghanistan samples because the most samples here are Westasian like Turkish, Kurdish,Iranian or Caucasian. And i think besides of Hazara those Mongolian results which i showed weren’t shown here before. I think here are many Westasian results because there are more of them who make those kind of results. The results which i post here are just random findings and i just pist them to keep this thread active, maybe to initiate comments/discussions. If you have SW-Asian results,please show them because you are right we need more diversity here. Because of that i would wish that henry comes back. But why we should stop show Uzbek or „whatnot“ results? If someone has a result of them please share, it is nice to see that. I searched for SW-Asian results but they are rare and difficult to find.
Also i think it depends on interests, some are more interested in to genetics and some less...
Kyrgyz from China:
Gedrosia: 7.35 Pct
Siberian: 28.20 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 3.84 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 1.55 Pct
North_European: 11.60 Pct
South_Asian: 2.28 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 1.05 Pct
East_Asian: 37.12 Pct
Caucasus: 6.87 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.13 Oct
Bender, you need to start using the oracle. It's easy. Just type in the values in the original order separated by commas and without spaces.
I've never seen the Kyrgyz sample, it's interesting. Close to 70% East Eurasian.
Kyp may close the thread at page 120 and start a third volume. Very large threads are difficult to navigate. But before that I'm going to post something.
What is this oracle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Three Feylis (Lurs/Kurds idk) from Iran:
Gedrosian: 25.91
Siberian: 2.06
Northwest_African: 0.91
Southeast_Asian: 0.14
Atlantic_Med: 8.43
North_European: 5.26
South_Asian: 4.63
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.53
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 37.66
SSA: 0.00
Gedrosian: 28.29
Siberian: 0.53
Northwest_African: 0.83
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.89
North_European: 7.58
South_Asian: 4.73
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.57
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 38.11
SSA: 0.46
Gedrosian: 28.07
Siberian: 0.06
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.76
North_European: 5.00
South_Asian: 3.91
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.71
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 39.46
SSA: 1.01
How rare are they, you guys have posted numerous Uzbeks we pretty much know how they look like now, autosomally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I would post Syrians, Jordanians and other Levantines myself if I had acces to their kits but since so few people from the middle east use Gedcoms we can't be sure of their origin.
They are rare numerically compared to Levantine Arabs. If you browse through the database you'll see lots of kits with Arabic-sounding names. Sure, they might be Lebanese, Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Jordanian, even Gulf Arabs but altogether they're far from rare. As for Uzbeks we have like 20 academic samples and maybe 3-4 non-academic ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
I agree that what has already been posted should not be repeated 10 pages later. Maybe something really extraordinary can be pulled up again as an exception.
I don't know what she is. From Turkey I guess? Gorogullari can be a surname from Turkey?
Practically no Mongoloid at all.
Gedrosia 23.40 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.42 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.27 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.82 Pct
North_European 9.62 Pct
South_Asian 1.77 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.36 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Caucasus 41.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: KG
4.95224192 Zaza
5.35805002 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.10435910 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.14669830 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.21638158 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.32871235 Azerbaijani
6.83382762 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.85881034 Turk_East
8.05612190 Turk_Southeast
8.09688829 Kurd_Sorani
Target: KG
Distance: 1.5624% / 1.56244029 | ADC: 0.25x
62.8 Zaza
25.8 Udi_Azerbaijan
4.8 Spanish_Basque
3.6 Lezgin
3.0 Dargin
* * *
Ahiska Turk (the kit is titled Ahiska Turk Lady)
I2-L68 (native European?)
H2b
Gedrosia 18.37 Pct
Siberian 0.53 Pct
Northwest_African 0.64 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.54 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.51 Pct
North_European 6.98 Pct
South_Asian 0.14 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.40 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Ahiska_Lady
3.62557582 Turk_Ahiska
4.99925995 Hemshin
5.62937830 Laz
5.94376144 Georgian_mixed
6.04597387 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.21822322 Armenian_East
6.82825014 Georgian_Turkey
7.08429954 Georgian_Adjara
7.47567388 Greek_Pontus
8.23315857 Georgian_Imereti
Target: Ahiska_Lady
Distance: 2.2136% / 2.21364400 | ADC: 0.5x
73.8 Turk_Ahiska
23.8 Hemshin
2.4 Yemen_Jews
Target: Ahiska_Lady
Distance: 1.2232% / 1.22315755 | ADC: 0.25x
66.4 Turk_Ahiska
27.2 Georgian_Turkey
5.8 Yemen_Jews
0.6 Hemshin
* * *
Most likely Ahiska too
Gedrosia 18.35 Pct
Siberian 1.12 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.34 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.57 Pct
North_European 8.44 Pct
South_Asian 1.58 Pct
East_African 0.14 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.15 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 51.21 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.10 Pct
Distance to: Sova
3.13502791 Turk_Ahiska
5.26808314 Armenian_East
5.78217087 Georgian_mixed
6.38220965 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.65201473 Turk_East
6.74198784 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.18988178 Hemshin
7.72681694 Laz
8.54870166 Greek_Pontus
8.91164968 Armenian_West
Target: Sova
Distance: 2.0642% / 2.06415838 | ADC: 0.5x
74.6 Turk_Ahiska
18.4 Turk_East
7.0 Armenian_East
Target: Sova
Distance: 1.0208% / 1.02076461 | ADC: 0.25x
87.2 Turk_Ahiska
9.2 Armenian_East
1.8 Saudis
0.8 Selkup
0.6 Bhunjia
0.4 Pulliyar
@Bender, I have 3 Siberian Tatar kits. You are not ready to see them - they score exactly what Tengri himself would score :D xD
They will be posted on a new thread.
Unsurprisingly, as most of them are just Turkicized Yeniseian people..Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yes, this one has too many pages. I also had some Kurdish/Turkic results which i will post there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
What the hell is Yeniseian? That was a joke anyway, they are less than 50% East Eurasian. Tengri should be 100%, no less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
Yeniseians are are like a midway between Altaic and Eskimo types. The language is basically dead because 90% of them became Turkicized. However I just realized your original comment was about Siberian Tatars not just Siberian Turks like Dolgans and Tuvans (Turkicized Mongols / Yeniseian although they have some Turkic admix) so my comment does not apply to them, that's my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
However, being part of the Aralo-Caspian branch of Kipchak, I have no doubt that those Tatars are Mongol spawns. Lets see the haplogroups.
This thread will be closed:
Continuation here:
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