Actual Importance of Haplogroups

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Originally Posted by Scarface F

Proto-Italics and proto-Armenians or people who carried Greek language were all R1b.

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Etruscans > proto-Italics, Hurrians > proto-Armenians, Minoans > proto-Greeks. J is originally from Mesopotamia, J2 probably formed in Caucasus and J1 formed somewhere in Zagros. These genetic things are still debatable among modern scientists. R1b is originally from Siberia which is very common in the modern western European people

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Originally Posted by black hole

Nonsense. Nowadays Italians, Jews, Armenians and Greeks who carry happlogroup J2 are true Italians, Jews, Armenians and Greeks. R1b together with R1a are steppe invaders. Their percentage maybe not significant compared to R1b, but the truth still remains. Mediterranean and Middle Eastern civilisations Phoenicians, Hattians, Etruscans, Minoans, Hurrians, and ancient Israelites were J2. It really makes sense. So were Romans.

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The most middle eastern Jews today are R1a. Haha.

https://i.imgur.com/5Jsgj9z.jpg

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Originally Posted by black hole

Etruscans > proto-Italics, Hurrians > proto-Armenians, Minoans > proto-Greeks. J is originally from Mesopotamia, J2 probably formed in Caucasus and J1 formed somewhere in Zagros. These genetic things are still debatable among modern scientists. R1b is originally from Siberia which is very common in the modern western European people

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J is from Europe.

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Originally Posted by black hole

Etruscans > proto-Italics, Hurrians > proto-Armenians, Minoans > proto-Greeks. J is originally from Mesopotamia, J2 probably formed in Caucasus and J1 formed somewhere in Zagros. These genetic things are still debatable among modern scientists. R1b is originally from Siberia which is very common in the modern western European people

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The substratum of modern Armenian is indeed part-Hurrian, and for Greeks it's Pelasgian or Minoan if you like, but both the languages are Yamnaya ones (direct not via Corded Ware intermediate), the carriers of the Armenic and Hellenic languages were those R-L584*s for Armenians and R-PF7562/3*s for Greek. Those R1bs mixed with the local substratums and produced the end result of what you call BA Armenian and Greek speakers.

After Southern Arc, it's beyond the shadow of doubt.

Also, haplogroups for men especially are extremely important for geneology tracing, since autosomals get washed out entirely in 10 generations.

You get 50% from your parent, 25% grandparent, 12.5% great-grandparent ... and so on, you have 0% autosomals from your 11th ancestor.

But what connects you to him and proves you are his descendant is your Y-chr.

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Originally Posted by eupator

The substratum of modern Armenian is indeed part-Hurrian, and for Greeks it's Pelasgian or Minoan if you like, but both the languages are Yamnaya ones (direct not via Corded Ware intermediate), the carriers of the Armenic and Hellenic languages were those R-L584*s for Armenians and R-PF7562/3*s for Greek. Those R1bs mixed with the local substratums and produced the end result of what you call BA Armenian and Greek speakers.

After Southern Arc, it's beyond the shadow of doubt.

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By the way, the Armenians practically do not have the Pit component. 0 - 3%.

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Originally Posted by Abti

J is from Europe.

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Can you provide an authentic source?

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Originally Posted by eupator

The substratum of modern Armenian is indeed part-Hurrian, and for Greeks it's Pelasgian or Minoan if you like, but both the languages are Yamnaya ones (direct not via Corded Ware intermediate), the carriers of the Armenic and Hellenic languages were those R-L584*s for Armenians and R-PF7562/3*s for Greek. Those R1bs mixed with the local substratums and produced the end result of what you call BA Armenian and Greek speakers.

After Southern Arc, it's beyond the shadow of doubt.

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You mean R1b were in Greece way before J2a carriers came during migration from west Asia? Greeks have a large diversity of Y-DNA haplogroups, and according to the test results, their predominant haplogroups are E-V13 and J2a equally

I think it is important but autosomal is important too both in combination and with your known ancestry first and foremost

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PT_7tVw-v...00/Armenia.JPG

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Originally Posted by Petalpusher

Haplogroups are men's astrology.

Change my mind.

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Looking at the fanatic y-dna lovers in this thread, it is worse than astrology.