I believe the official term is 'Scotch Git'. :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trog
Rep point us your number, will yer! I wannae see exactly how English you are. :D
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I believe the official term is 'Scotch Git'. :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trog
Rep point us your number, will yer! I wannae see exactly how English you are. :D
My number? What number? UK39?
Incidentally, Polako's sequence of me correlates with where Doug Mac placed me;
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/Trog/dougmc.jpg
Hmmm, maybe I meant Scots bastard, all you need now is to nick yer mam's hair dye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osweo
Hm. I can't tell if I'm on these plots. If I am, maybe covered up by someone else? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Polako
Are Americans still in this?
...what the hell was my number ID again? US2? :D
there is somthing i dont understand with 23andme how can they see what % of diffrent ethnicities someone have? one hase onely haplogroups, i took my test at igenea, i know many people dont like them (dont know why) but i asked them if u can look what ethnicities a person hase, ad they told me that dna dosent work like that, that they can onely see haplogroups and some what see were our ancesters came frome.
See under Geographic origin test:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test
Those tests are testing a completely different part of the DNA, the % tests are testing autosomal DNA (non-sex specific), so ye can get an idea of what your ancestral percentages are from testing this but cannot tell from which parent a certain segment of admixture came from unless you were to get together with relatives and compare shared segments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milenko
Latest from Eurogenes... :thumbs up Hopefully got this correct. Took a while to sort. If anyone matches UK19, that's me.
http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/0...mopainter.html
Quote:
- 0.0262 UK3
- 0.0260 UK8
- 0.0230 Cornwall
- 0.0230 Kent
- 0.0230 UK1
- 0.0228 IE20
- 0.0224 IE3
- 0.0222 UK25
- 0.0219 PL5
- 0.0213 UK37
- 0.0209 UK22
- 0.0205 CA4
- 0.0199 UK38
- 0.0199 DE12
- 0.0199 Cornwall
- 0.0198 FR
- 0.0196 DESK1
- 0.0196 FR
- 0.0189 IE15
- 0.0188 UK24
- 0.0188 Cornwall
- 0.0186 UK28
- 0.0184 SE11
- 0.0184 IE18
- 0.0184 Kent
Me
0.0227 SE15
0.0222 LT
0.0213 IE20
0.0205 UK6
0.0203 EE3
0.0201 RU21
0.0201 Cornwall
0.0201 BY
0.0196 SE9
0.0189 PL14
0.0188 RO4
0.0187 Kent
0.0186 UA3
0.0186 LT4
0.0183 RU35
0.0183 DE22
0.0182 DE9
0.0181 North_Russian
0.0177 UK27
0.0177 RU6
0.0176 Kent
0.0173 PL3
0.0173 Cornwall
0.0172 HU
0.0171 HU
0.017 SE17
0.0168 RU44
0.0168 IE21
0.0163 PLDE1
0.0163 PL7
Me:
0.0212 NO8 (Olavsson)
0.0204 SE16
0.0198 IE8
0.0195 LT GSM536641
0.0191 LT GSM536637
0.0186 Kent HG00126
0.0186 DE21
0.0185 SENO1
0.0183 US255
0.0182 Cornwall HG00253
0.0018 Carl_Anderson
0.0179 NO9
0.0177 UK21
0.0173 PLNL1
0.0171 SE5
0.0171 SE1
0.0171 Kent HG00157
0.0017 IE21
0.0169 UK37
0.0168 NO3
I just go down the list and copy out where I'm listed, ja?
Seems I have a higher value than anyone else has got so far;
1. 0.0307 IE20 --- who is this? Likely that we're cousins?
2. 0.0223 UK28
3. 0.0216 FR HGDP00535 - zut alors?!
4. 0.0203 NL2 - :confused:
5. 0.0202 SE17 - :eek:
6. 0.0201 SENO1
7. 0.0199 UK21
8. 0.0196 FR HGDP00533 - :fear:
9. 0.0194 UK37 -------------- is this Beornie??
10. 0.0190 IE21
11. 0.0189 Cornwall HG00262
12. 0.0186 IE14
13. 0.0182 UKIE1
14. 0.0182 UK43
15. 0.0179 UK33
16. 0.0179 NL1
17. 0.0177 US180
18. 0.0176 Cornwall HG00259
19. 0.0176 Cornwall HG00233
20. 0.0175 Kent HG00137
21. 0.0173 NL6
22. 0.0173 Kent HG00156
23. 0.0170 Cornwall HG00253
My top 20 from the IBD:
1. 0.0204 IE4 IE4 US83 US83
2. 0.017 Cornwall HG00247 US83 US83
3. 0.0153 NO6 NO6 US83 US83
4. 0.0148 UK29 UK29 US83 US83
5. 0.134 Kent HG00146 US83 US83
6. 0.0128 SE23 SE23 US83 US83
7. 0.0128 NO10 NO10 US83 US83
8. 0.0124 UK9 UK9 US83 US83
9. 0.0122 Kent HG00133 US83 US83
10. 0.0121 UK21 UK21 US83 US83
11. 0.012 UK25 UK25 US83 US83
12. 0.012 LT GSM 536642 US83 US83
13. 0.0117 SE1 SE1 US83 US83
14. 0.0116 UK43 UK43 US83 US83
15. 0.0114 NL4 NL4 US83 US83
16. 0.0113 SE6 SE6 US83 US83
17. 0.0112 DE17 DE17 US83 US83
18. 0.0111 UK38 UK38 US83 US83
19. 0.0109 UA UkrBel620Y US83 US83
20. 0.0107 Kent HG00148 US83 US83
Nope, I am UK40. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Osweo
I think I got them all. List seems short compared to others.
0.0246 IE20
0.0194 ES HGD1521
0.019 UK3
0.0182 ES12
0.0181 Cornwall HG00239
0.0176 FR HGDP00511
0.0174 Cornwall HG00234
0.0173 ES GSM536539
0.0168 PL3
0.0169 UK27
Can someone give a refresh of what the initials stand for? UK is United Kingdom, FR is France, etc..., but what are the rest?
Ah right, yeah :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beorn
ESpanaQuote:
Can someone give a refresh of what the initials stand for? UK is United Kingdom, FR is France, etc..., but what are the rest?
PoLand
NOrway
DEutschland
NetherLands
SwEden
DenmarK
BElgium
PorTugal
IrEland.
Useful things to know, and you can practise on the roads. Mind you, all you see there is PL, LV and SK... :p
RU44
- 0.0338 BY GSM536696
- 0.0244 RU38 RU38
- 0.0214 LT GSM536644
- 0.0213 PL18 PL18
- 0.0211 LT GSM536635
- 0.0199 UA3 UA3
- 0.0197 UA UkrainePol19Y
- 0.0189 BY GSM536699
- 0.0189 LT GSM536638
- 0.0182 LT2 LT2
- 0.018 RU40 RU40
- 0.0179 LT4 LT4
- 0.0173 LT1 LT1
- 0.0168 Kent HG00133
- 0.0167 PL14 PL14
- 0.0159 BY GSM536695
- 0.0158 RU39 RU39
- 0.0156 RU4 RU4
- 0.0154 DE16 DE16
- 0.0154 PL3 PL3
- 0.0154 LT GSM536641
- 0.0153 LT GSM536643
- 0.0153 RU GSM536913
- 0.0153 RU21 RU21
- 0.0152 Kent HG00135
Russians marked red, non-Eastern Europeans marked green. Frankly, the information for some other participants often seems downright odd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2Quote:
Originally Posted by Beorn
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...3166-1.svg.png
He explains it in his blog post:Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanophage
Quote:
The other thing to keep in mind is that some individuals and groups tend to be very matchy, especially with samples from similar regions. For instance, the Belorussians, Lithuanians and Cornish in my dataset pop up on lists of all those with significant ancestry from north of the Alps and Carpathians. These groups seem to be very homogeneous, and maybe that's why they appear like modal Northern Europeans in the context of this analysis? In any case, the best strategy is not to take the lists literally, and instead compare and contrast them with those of other people of similar ancestry to your own.
My lists below. I think I probably have matches from here for sure, I have 15 UK matches in together for example - not all matches are included below... My code is FI15
EUROPE:
0.0246 EE3
0.0205 FI12
0.0198 LT1
0.0191 FI14
0.0187 SE9
0.0186 LT GSM536636
0.0179 FI7
0.0176 RU39
0.0176 FI3
0.0174 UARUPL1
0.0168 EE2
0.0165 LT GSM536638
0.0165 FI6
0.0163 PL11
0.0157 UA Ukraine141Y
0.0156 UA UkrBel618Y
0.0156 EE1
0.0153 Cornwall HG00234
0.0151 PL7
0.0151 North_Russian HGDP00884
0.0148 UA UkrLv215Y
0.0148 SE2
0.0147 UARU2
0.0144 DESK1
0.0143 RU48
0.0141 PL3
0.0139 RU32
0.0139 Kent HG00148 F
0.0132 UK9
0.0131 SE17
0.013 RU21
0.0124 SE20
0.0123 SE19
0.0122 UK28
0.0122 UK18
0.0122 RU37
0.0121 IE16
0.0121 Erzya Erzya7Y
0.012 SE4
0.012 RU20
0.0119 SE7
0.0119 FR HGDP00524
0.0118 HU GSM536634
0.0118 UKCEU2
Northeast Europe:
0.0311 EE3
0.0282 FI12
0.0274 FI8
0.027 RU47
0.0264 FI14
0.0249 RU39
0.0246 FI7
0.0242 FI3
0.0238 EE2
0.0232 FI6
0.0225 North_Russian HGDP00884
0.022 RU48
0.022 EE1
0.0212 RU22
0.0211 RU32
0.02 RU37
0.0197 RU21
0.0192 Erzya7Y
0.0189 RU35
0.0184 RU20
Genetic substructures across Eurasia - moving up to K=11
My result:
Caucasian 49,33%
West Central Asian 23,58%
Southwest Asian 13,63%
Western European 6,1%
East Asian 3,3%
Siberian 2%
Baltic 1,4%
East African 0,2%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
Southeast Asian 0%
South Asian 0%
I got:
0.0912% Subsaharan African
0.001% Siberian
0.001% Southeast Asian
1.8361% Southwest Asian
0.001% East African
7.0053% Caucasian
52.3122% West European
0.001% East Asian
0.001% South Asian
12.9338% West Central Asian
25.816% Baltic
Western European 45,5%
Baltic 38,8%
West Central Asian 14,7%
Siberian 0,8%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
Southeast Asian 0%
Southwest Asian 0%
East African 0%
Caucasian 0%
East Asian 0%
South Asian 0%
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/a...e_33691ED2.png
Am I reading the numbers incorrectly? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Deleted my original post, I think this is the correct one this time.
Baltic: 36%
Caucasian: 30%
West European: 18%
Southwest Asian: 10%
Siberian: 0.1%
West Central Asian: 0.1%
All others: 0%
Mine (Finnish average):
Baltic 58.4% (61.3%)
West Euro 24.7% (18.8%)
West Central Asia 8.0% (8.3%)
Siberia 5.0% (6.9%)
SW Asia 1.2% (1.2%)
Caucasus 2.6% (2.6%)
East Asia 0% (0.4%)
Sub-Saharan African 0% (0.04%)
Southeast Asian 0% (0.31%)
East African 0% (0.04%)
South Asian 0% (0.16%)
I have the smallest Siberian in the FIN group, and 2nd largest W.Euro - largest is somebody with 32.6% and almost twice the average. 13 Finns in sample.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3712/172mr.jpg
The results for my grandmother and uncle, in that order (rounded to nearest whole percent):
Caucasian 45%
Southwest Asian 28%
West Central Asian 24%
Western European 2%
South Asian 1%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
Siberian 0%
Southeast Asian 0%
East African 0%
East Asian 0%
Baltic 0%
Caucasian 44%
Southwest Asian 27%
West Central Asian 26%
Western European 2%
South Asian 1%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
Siberian 0%
Southeast Asian 0%
East African 0%
East Asian 0%
Baltic 0%
Siberian
NO2 - 0.8%
NO3 - 1.1%
NO5 - 1%
NO7 - 1.8%
NO8 - 1.4%
NO10 - 0.6%
NO11 - 1.1%
Southeast Asian
NO4 - 1.1%
Southwest Asian
NO5 - 1.8%
NO11 - 0.4%
Caucasian
NO6 - 2.8%
NO7 - 0.4%
Westerm European
NO2 - 45.5%
NO3 - 49.2%
NO4 - 51.8%
NO5 - 48.2%
NO6 - 44.8%
NO7 - 43.3%
NO8 - 46%
NO9 - 52.2%
NO10 - 45.6%
NO11 - 48%
East Asian
NO6 - 1.2%
NO9 - 0.1%
South Asian
NO11 - 0.3%
West Central Asian
NO2 - 14.7%
NO3 - 13.3%
NO4 - 15.4%
NO5 - 12.6%
NO6 - 12.1%
NO7 - 15.7%
NO8 - 15.9%
NO9 - 15.2%
NO10 - 14.6%
NO11 - 12.9%
Baltic
NO2 - 38.8%
NO3 - 36.1%
NO4 - 31.5%
NO5 - 36.1%
NO6 - 38.9%
NO7 - 38.5%
NO8 - 36.5%
NO9 - 32.3%
NO10 - 39%
NO11 - 37%
Ethnic averages for all populations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...jBYS2U4NGprZ2c
My high South Asian (1.7%, higher than any European average) seems common among Vologda Russians and Erzya. It seems that "West Central Asian" compensates for "Caucasian" in Northern populations, and "South Asian" might play a similar role in more Eastern populations. Some averages (sorted by Caucasian):
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...ge/WE11_Av.gif
RU44 (me) - as Baltic as the average Estonian.
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%
Siberian 1.61%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
Southwest Asian 3.73%
East African 0.00%
Caucasian 16.83%
Western European 5.43%
East Asian 0.00%
South Asian 1.72%
West Central Asian 0.97%
Baltic 69.70%
By the way, here's the range for various Russians (46), I'm highlighted in yellow: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3..._Range_W11.gif
Mine:
45.26% Western European
26.24% Baltic
10.73% Caucasian
10.02% West Central Asian
3.20% Southwest Asian
2.14% Sub-Saharan African
1.70% Southeast Asian
0.38% South Asian
0.30% East African
0.02% East Asian
0.00% Siberian
K=12
Western European 68.4%
Baltic 25%
Caucasian 2.7%
South Central Asian 2.4%
Siberian 0.8%
East Asian 0.4%
Sub-Saharan African 0%
Southwest Asian 0%
South Asian 0%
East African 0%
Southeast Asian 0%
Mediterranean 0%
North Euro clusters
I fall into the French/Belgian cluster.Quote:
pop0 - West Finnish1: This is a pair of reference individuals, most likely from Western Finland, judging by their PCA and ADMIXTURE results. They are either from the same community, or have a very similar mix of very specific ancestries.
pop1 - Erzya + Moksha: Includes all of the Erzya and Moksha in the project, plus a Russian with recent Erzya ancestry. Closely related to ethnic Russian clusters that stretch from Northwest Russia to near the Volga, and also to the Estonian cluster.
pop2 - South/Central Finnish: The largest Finnish cluster, and that's probably more than just the result of sampling bias. I would say that the greater part of the Finnish population would belong to this type of cluster, which occupies regions of highest population density within the country.
pop3 - Fenno-Scandian: This cluster includes a Northern Swede, a Swede with probable recent Finnish ancestry, and Finns with probable recent Swedish influence. I have a feeling that Finland Swedes and Aland Islanders would also be placed here more often than not.
pop4 - Northwest Russian/Southeast Finnish: Although this cluster includes only two individuals, I think it's much more than just a random occurrence between two high scoring samples. I'd hazard a guess that Northwest Russians with, say, significant Ingrian ancestry, would land here, and so would Finns with recent Russian ancestry.
pop5 - West Finnish2: Based on PCA and ADMIXTURE results, most of these Finns likely come from Western Finland, probably from places like Southern Ostrobothnia. They possibly also have some Swedish influence.
pop6 - West German: This cluster is based on individuals from Western and Northwestern Germany. It also includes a Dutchman, Austrian and people of mixed origin, like a Dane with French and German ancestry, and Americans with British, German, Scandinavian and/or Polish ancestry. In other words, this is where Northwestern Europe meets Central Europe.
pop7 - Vologda Russian: Most of the Vologda Russians from the HGDP land here. Thus, it appears to be a local cluster. Judging from its phylogeny, it looks like a mix of North Slavic, Baltic and Finnic influences.
pop8 - East Finnish: All the project and reference Finns with substantial ancestry from new settlement areas of Eastern Finland appear in this cluster. No wonder then, that this is the cluster with the highest internal chunk (segment) sharing in this analysis.
pop9 - Estonian: This is a mixed cluster, including individuals from Estonia, and, as far as I know, Russians with substantial ancestry from near Estonia. As mentioned above, it's closely related to the Erzya + Moksha, Northwest Russian and Vologda clusters. However, it's clearly much more western than any of these clusters (for instance, see the PCA below), which suggests Germanic influence in its makeup.
pop10 - Cornish: Almost all of my Cornish samples from the 1000 Genomes Project feature in this very local cluster, which shows the highest internal chunk counts in Western Europe. The overall results hint at a lack of outbreeding in recent times.
pop11 - French/Belgian: Interestingly, this cluster includes the bulk of the French samples, a French Canadian, and two Belgian project members. On the other hand, the most northerly French are placed in the more cosmopolitan Northwest European cluster (see below).
pop12 - Lithuanian: All of the more or less pure Lithuanians fall in this cluster. Those that don't are a reference sample from Behar et al. 2009, who always appears very Belorussian like in other analyses, and here sits in the East Slavic cluster, and a project member with recent German ancestry (LIT3). The Western European influence carried by the latter pushes him into the Polish/West Ukrainian cluster, despite not having any documented Polish or Ukrainian ancestry.
pop13 - Northwest Russian: This cluster appears to be made up of Russians who have more Finnic, and/or perhaps Eastern Baltic, ancestry than the individuals in the East Slavic cluster. In other words, it's more northerly, less westerly, and more closely related to the Finnic-speaking Erzya, Moksha and Estonians.
pop14 - Irish + West British: Most Irish individuals fall in this cluster, as well as British samples from Western Scotland and Wales. It's tempting to correlate this cluster with Celtic genetic ancestry in the Isles.
pop15 - South/West Scandinavian: This is basically a Norwegian and Southern Swedish cluster. It also features Swedes from other parts of the country who most likely have some German, Walloon and/or French influence.
pop16 - East German: This cluster includes individuals with significant or even overwhelming Germanic ancestry, but also with very clear Western Slavic input. One of the individuals here is of mixed Polish, German and Swedish ancestry, which pretty much sums up the character of this cluster in a modern context. The presence of two Hungarians from Behar et al. 2009. isn't surprising, because Hungary was settled by both Germanic and Western Slavic groups from the early Middle Ages until modern times.
pop17 - Northwest European: I had reasonable hopes of breaking up this large cluster into a couple of units at least. However, that did not happen, and I don't think it will unless I obtain more samples from the relevant areas of Europe, like Holland and specific parts of the UK. I think the main reason this cluster failed to budge was because of its cosmopolitan nature. In other words, the samples here include some of the most outbred in the analysis, and this, coupled with the fact that they carry very similar ancestral components, means that fineSTRUCTURE doesn't have anything to latch onto to create divisions.
pop18 - East Scandinavian: This could also be called a Swedish cluster. It's almost entirely made up of Swedes, usually from Eastern or Southeastern Sweden, and/or occasionally with recent Finnish influence.
pop19 - Polish/West Ukrainian: The vast majority of the Poles fall in this cluster, and about half of the Ukrainians from Yunusbayev et al. 2011. Most of these Ukrainians appear to be from Lviv district in the west, and some might even have fairly recent Polish and/or German ancestry. In fact, I would say the latter is a good bet for UkrLv240Y, who shows large Western European segments on several chromosomes.
pop20 - East Slavic: All of the Belorussians cluster here, and so do Russians from near Belorussia and Ukraine, and almost half of the Ukrainians from Yunusbayev et al. 2011 (those who show more easterly genetic characteristics). An individual of mixed Polish and Lithuanian ancestry also makes an appearance, suggesting that one of the main factors differentiating this cluster from the Polish/West Ukrainian group is a higher level of Baltic admixture in the former.
pop21 - East Central European: This cluster is based on most of the Hungarians in my dataset, but it also includes a number of Western and Southern Slavs, often with significant German ancestry. Not surprisingly, this cluster shows very high affinity with both the East German and Polish/West Ukrainian clusters.
I fall into the South/West Scandinavian cluster.
K=12
53.76 Western European
16.54 Baltic
15.94 Mediterranean
6.23 Caucasian
2.73 South Central Asian
2.13 Sub-Saharan African
1.67 Southeast Asian
0.44 East African
0.41 South Asian
0.10 Southwest Asian
0.04 East Asian
0.00 Siberian
Eurasia K=12 results from highest to low
========My score==Average Turkish score
Caucasian: 50.4%/ 39.02%<<< higher than average
Mediterranean: 19.1%/ 22.29%
South Central Asian: 9.2%/ 9.50%
Southwest Asian: 8.7%/ 10.16%
West European: 5.2%/ 5.54%
East Asian: 3.1%/ 2.71%
Siberian: 2.0%/ 2.99%
Baltic: 1.7%/ 5.87%<<< Lower than average
Sub Saharan African: 0.00%/ 0.21%
South Asian: 0.00%/ 1.14%
East African: 0.00%/ 0.27%
Southeast Asian: 0.00%/ 0.31%
Armenian Eurasia K=12 average from highest to low score for comparison:
Caucasian: 49.44%
Mediterranean: 23.40%
Southwest Asian: 13.33%
South Central Asian: 11.25%
West European: 1.41%
Baltic: 0.83%
South Asian: 0.22%
East Asian: 0.05%
Siberian: 0.04%
Sub Saharan African: 0.00%
East African: 0.00%
Southeast Asian: 0.03%
Norwegian and Swedish averages from Humanophage's spreadsheet
NO/SE (me)
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%/0.02% (0.00%)
Baltic 23.41%/27.20% (25.08%)
Siberian 0.93%/1.06% (0.88%)
Southwest Asian 1.49%/2.65% (0.00%)
South Asian 0.06%/0.25% (0.00%)
East African 0.00%/0.06% (0.00%)
South Central Asian 2.26%/2.37% (2.46%)
Southeast Asian 0.11%/0.11% (0.00%)
Mediterranean 1.88%/2.25% (0.00%)
East Asian 0.25%/0.13% (0.41%)
Caucasian 2.58%/2.13% (2.72%)
Western European 67.02%/61.77% (68.43%)
K12
Baltic: 32%
Mediterranean: 26%
West European: 17%
Caucasian: 15%
Siberian: 0.9%
East Asian: 0.8%
Southwest Asian: 0.5%
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/p...e_3EAFADA6.png
Finns, Estonians and Swedes are more woggish than me:D
Southwest Asian:
FI 4.03%
SE 2.65%
EE 2.52
Mediterranean
FI 1.82%
SE 2.25%
EE 7.64%
US83/Myself K = 12:
0.2016% Subsaharan African
13.7668% Baltic
0.001% Siberian
1.8149% Southwest Asian
0.1629% South Asian
0.001% East African
0.001%South Central Asian
0.001% Southeast Asian
8.825% Mediterranean
0.0765% East Asian
8.5668% Caucasian
66.5814% West European
Yeah right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
http://www.eupedia.com/images/conten...-admixture.gif
Compared to Finnic people, all Europeans are Mediterranean wogs. ;)
I find it peculiar that there are Russians placed into the Estonian cluster. Well, as it's done by Polako, then I shouldn't find this surprising. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Loki
It's quite non-professional of him, though.