Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

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Originally Posted by Demhat

Let me have also my experiences expressed.

The Pashtuns are on the crossroad of South, Central and West Asia.

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I concur with most of your post. Except for the fact that you're mistaking the position of Afghanistan (on the crossroads of West, Central, and South Asia), with the Pashtun ethnic group, the vast majority of them living in Pakistan, which is South Asia, and the lesser amount in Afghanistan as the predominant ethnic group there.

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Regions with significant populations
1) Pakistan 29,342,892 (2012)[4]
2) Afghanistan 12,776,369 (2012)[5]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun_people

Pashtuns are South Asians genetically as everyone has seen and everyone agrees with. Even historically they're tied even more to South Asia (modern day Pakistan, and North India) than Central Asia proper. Geographically the largest amount of them also live in South Asia (Pakistan). I don't think anyone can refute this.
They're so similar to Kashmiris, who are also South Asians. If Pashtuns are not South Asians, then so are not Punjabi Jatts, Burusho, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Himachali High Castes, etc. lol.

I agree with Jatt, them not accepting being South Asian would be borderline self hate. Hence why I opened this thread to question all this. It shouldn't even be a question imho.

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/ph...627048641n.jpg

http://www.geourdu.co/wp-content/upl...01/Pashtun.jpg

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They have one of the best looking features amongst all South Asians imho.

Interesting how similar Northwest South Asians (Pashtuns, Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's etc) look.

Punjabi Jatts:
http://static1.demotix.com/sites/def...le_2070910.jpg

http://www.joshuaproject.net/assets/...tos/p15382.jpg

Kashmiri people:

http://media.nj.com/star-ledger/phot...b139d7a7fd.jpg

http://static2.demotix.com/sites/def...487_111487.jpg

http://static3.demotix.com/sites/def...tos/111490.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...shmiri_man.jpg

http://www.asiaexplorers.com/india/k.../people/05.jpg

Pashtuns:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5144/...b4f74b7842.jpg

http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/...t-featured.jpg

Sindhi people:

http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/...08-640x480.jpg

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Originally Posted by Truthbetold

Interesting how similar Northwest South Asians (Pashtuns, Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's etc) look.

Punjabi Jatts:
http://static1.demotix.com/sites/def...le_2070910.jpg

http://www.joshuaproject.net/assets/...tos/p15382.jpg

Kashmiri people:

http://media.nj.com/star-ledger/phot...b139d7a7fd.jpg

http://static2.demotix.com/sites/def...487_111487.jpg

http://static3.demotix.com/sites/def...tos/111490.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...shmiri_man.jpg

http://www.asiaexplorers.com/india/k.../people/05.jpg

Pashtuns:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5144/...b4f74b7842.jpg

http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/...t-featured.jpg

Sindhi people:

http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/...08-640x480.jpg

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You posted the same pictures again and again. Haven't you seen the other links on the other pages? They show afghans in the west, who take care of their appearance etc. Anyone can cherry pick certain group pics. Plus your pics don't makes sense, these so many people in one pic, a person will not look at their features but look at their pigmentation, clothing and environment and automatically assume they look thr same. There's videos and pics of afghans, individual, as well, any Afghan would know that these pics are not representative. You can say what you want, who cares?

A member on another forum who has actual knowledge of genetics.
" Based on my understanding ( and this may be flawed) is that Pashtuns are essentially a South Central Asian people, that is they are mainly a West Eurasian People (over 90% of their Genome (ANE = West Eurasian), we know that ANE were the first West Eurasians who entered that region). Other Iranian groups such as Kurds, Persian have lower ANE, but they have higher ANE than other West Asians, Hence why Iranian have a pull towards the South Central Asians.

During the Neolithic period, "Ancient Near Easterners" absorb ANE hunter gatherers across West Asia, and eventually, they reach South Asia and South Central Asia and they mix with local population. So South Central Asia became = Mainly(ANE+ASI)+ Near Eastern in that period.

Then Indo-Iranian populations rich in ANE enter South Asia and South Central Asia via the northwestern passes in contemporary Afghanistan and northwestern Pakistan. (Pashutn Area was the entry point to the Indian Subcontinent.)

More admixture with ANE-rich populations occurs across the centuries, with Scythian people, Kushans, and other similar groups who migrate into South Asia and South Central Asia.

At the end of it all, people in the northwest and south central Asia basically become West Eurasians (because West Eurasian gene flow is constantly diffusing throughout the area),

However, among the Iranic peoples of South central Asia (Pashtuns and Baloch), there are some intense episodes of West Asian gene flow which sets them apart from NW Indians and Makes them closer to Iranians such as Persian, Kurds, Azeris etc.

Then later on you have Turkic-Mongolic admixture occurs among Pashtun tribes.

So all in all, Pashtuns have highest Near Eastern Admixture and lowest ASI compared to any NW South Asians ( i.e. Punjabi, Kashmirs, Sindhi etc). The level of these two admixture plus the environmental factors tbh clearlysets the Pashtuns apart from North West South Asian, but North West South Asian do have a pull towards South Central Asians. "

If you look at the K=7 eurogenes run, the afghans are clearly separated from the northwest South Asians. I'll post the results.

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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900

From what i have seen from a genetic study about the Pashtuns is that they cluster very closely with Tajiks and North-west indians than to west Asians and Europeans. Honestly, the Kashmiris and the people of North-west Pakistan look no different from many Afghans.

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They don't ckuster with South Asians at all. The only ones who ckuster with sindhis sre thr psthans from Pakistan, rumour has it they have been pashtunized dardics. They're resukts compared to afghan pashtuns backs it up. The afghan pashtuns are distinct from west asians and northwest South asians, they are ckuster with pamiris and yaghnobis( fully caucasoid btw check their pics). However, afghans are a western eurasuan prople genetically like western asians but due to Central asuan isolation we are distinct from west asians but have a heavy pull towards west asians. It's the northwest South Asians that have a pull towards us not the other way round. Read the quote above made by an iranian member.

People think we are a south asuan people etc showing very dark poor povery strived people. That's absurd. Why don't truthbetold go to anthrogenica and say this? Because he's got no clue what he's saying, they'll all laugh at him over their. Afghans are a western eurasuan people but due to isolation with thr Central asian pamiris and yaghnobis we have become distinct from west asians.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT.../s1600/1_2.png

The pathans as you can see ckuster with sindhis, however the pashtuns will couster above them with s pull towards west asua and Caucasus.

Seems our (Northwest) South Asian friend Dynamo has returned on a sock account :)

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Originally Posted by Truthbetold

Seems our (Northwest) South Asian friend Dynamo has returned on a sock account :)

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Go to anthrogenica please and say this. They are knowledgable people who actually know what they are talking about. Take the mick, who cares, but ignorance is blinding you.

Afghan Pashtun (Popalzai/Durrani) (Kandahar) ANE:26.42% ASE:9.32% WHG-UHG:11.34% Eastern eurasian :3.07% ENF: 47.59%