South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I personally gave up. If people want to fake their country's and/or personal results because of insecurities, then they can be my guests. Commercial tests are still there for that benchmark that none of us hasn't got any access to modify. Want to have a Serbian average in Ukrainian range? Sign me up.

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i don't agree. many people outside this forum use Vahaduo and make conclusions about their ancestry based on it.
Vahaduo averages should be made as proffesionlly as possible.

commercial tests can't be compared, because they don't test the same variable.
e.g. in most commercial tests most modern Balkanians get 90% Balkan. from this it's impossible tell how much ancient Slavic and pre-Slavic admixture they have. from gedmatch calculators, it's possible.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I have trust issues with you lot.
For example, I always disclose my individual results that make the averages for Romania and Moldova, same goes for my Bulgarian averages. Dunai did the same for his Hungarian averages.
But I can't say the same about those that come from the rest of the Balkans. I just see the averages.

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Many individual results have already been posted on various threads. Vbnetkhio has also mentioned the number of samples he has for every average, as well as the highest and lowest values of specific components that he found. Is a massive chart showcasing every single individual result really necessary?

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

For example, I always disclose my individual results that make the averages for Romania and Moldova, same goes for my Bulgarian averages. Dunai did the same for his Hungarian averages.
But I can't say the same about those that come from the rest of the Balkans. I just see the averages.

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i got most of the samples by promising first that i wouldn't post their indivudal results publically and just use them for the averages.

i showed the individual samples and gedmatch kit Nos only to Lucas, so he can know they are real. because there really were some fake results circulating around.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Vahaduo averages should be made as proffesionlly as possible.

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With this I agree.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i got most of the samples by promising first that i wouldn't post their indivudal results publically and just use them for the averages.

i showed the individual samples and gedmatch kit Nos only to Lucas, so he can know they are real. because there really were some fake results circulating around.

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I do the same obviously. I don't disclose names and personal details. A good chunk of my kits are not on GEDmatch. But there is no harm in posting the results. Those are just some random numbers. Nobody can be identified based on them.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Many individual results have already been posted on various threads. Vbnetkhio has also mentioned the number of samples he has for every average, as well as the highest and lowest values of specific components that he found. Is a massive chart showcasing every single individual result really necessary?

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Of course, you can see what's typical and what isn't. This is especially useful for regions that have few samples, as a couple of outliers can dramatically affect the average.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I do the same obviously. I don't disclose names and personal details. A good chunk of my kits are not on GEDmatch. But there is no harm in posting the results. Those are just some random numbers. Nobody can be identified based on them.

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How do you treat mixed Moldovans, Romanians? I mean people with 2 or more ancestral counties.

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Originally Posted by Leto

How do you treat mixed Moldovans, Romanians? I mean people with 2 or more ancestral counties.

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Chisinau and Bucharest

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Of course, you can see what's typical and what isn't. This is especially useful for regions that have few samples, as a couple of outliers can dramatically affect the average.

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The majority of individual samples have been posted here, nobody has any malicious reason to hide anything. They just haven't been shown in a single table. Although they were showcased in PCAs before.

If you want to see them all together in one table, then you can just ask for that instead of slandering someone by accusing them of manipulating results without any proof. There was one case of a user that did that, but he wasn't affiliated with vbnetkhio. He was actually shamed on this forum for that, with results compiled by him being rejected.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

The majority of individual samples have been posted here, nobody has any malicious reason to hide anything. They just haven't been shown in a single table. Although they were showcased in PCAs before.

If you want to see them all together in one table, then you can just ask for that instead of slandering someone by accusing them of manipulating results without any proof. There was one case of a user that did that, but he wasn't affiliated with vbnetkhio. He was actually shamed on this forum for that, with results compiled by him being rejected.

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I am not going to parse the forum for that. But this is exactly why I have trust issues with users from Western Balkans. That guy was also a Serb, right?