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10-30-2021, 05:58 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Could you update Polish k13:

Code:

Poland_Lemko,27.74,37.63,14.89,7.34,9.48,0.24,0.42,0.58,0.56,0.60,0.52,0.00,0.00 Polish_Greater Poland,31.45,43.92,10.26,5.30,5.52,0.80,0.87,0.09,0.23,0.65,0.48,0.37,0.06 Polish_Kielce,29.3,45.17,10.56,5.45,5.36,0.76,1.36,0.15,0.37,0.81,0.4,0.28,0.03 Polish_Kujawy,31.83,45.41,9.95,4.66,3.33,1.47,1.02,0.20,0.79,0.93,0.00,0.41,0.00 Polish_Lesser_Poland,31.00,43.23,11.15,5.26,5.63,0.55,0.47,0.06,0.80,0.85,0.57,0.29,0.16 Polish_Mazovia,28.33,46.20,10.70,5.60,5.04,0.54,1.20,0.15,0.69,0.66,0.50,0.18,0.20 Polish_North_Wielkopolska,31.98,43.23,10.06,5.79,5.57,0.87,0.73,0.17,0.19,1.00,0.03,0.35,0.03 Polish_Podlaskie,29.87,46.68,7.30,4.42,6.83,1.65,1.33,0.00,1.06,0.35,0.52,0.00,0.00 Polish_Silesia,29.25,43.03,12.16,6.16,5.57,0.39,1.25,0.29,0.64,0.70,0.42,0.16,0.00 Polish_Southeast,28.71,42.67,11.10,6.04,7.21,1.18,0.44,0.11,1.70,0.23,0.12,0.35,0.13 Polish_Staropolska,29.08,46.18,10.22,4.40,6.59,0.77,0.73,0.00,0.45,0.75,0.37,0.46,0.00 Polish_WarmiaMasuria,32.51,44.26,10.88,4.19,3.27,0.95,1.21,0.16,1.06,0.51,0.33,0.29,0.39

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10-30-2021, 06:58 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Please update my current averages for Eurogenes K13..exactly one year has passed since my last update.

Code:

Romania_Moldavia_North,24.89,30.80,15.19,9.09,14.27,1.69,0.84,0.56,1.37,0.53,0.47,0.17,0.13 Romania_Moldavia_South,24.02,26.72,16.79,9.78,17.00,2.06,0.64,0.58,1.14,0.64,0.37,0.10,0.16 Romania_Muntenia,22.61,24.55,17.51,11.08,18.76,2.11,0.62,0.62,1.03,0.54,0.35,0.12,0.09 Romania_Oltenia,23.41,24.91,18.15,10.55,18.10,1.83,0.51,0.71,0.87,0.38,0.37,0.08,0.12 Romania_Dobruja,22.26,25.09,17.69,10.81,18.50,2.16,0.71,0.71,1.15,0.45,0.30,0.06,0.10 Romania_Wallachia,22.69,24.74,17.64,10.95,18.58,2.07,0.62,0.65,1.01,0.49,0.35,0.11,0.10 Romania_Transylvania,24.22,26.32,17.35,9.92,17.02,1.80,0.57,0.56,1.10,0.59,0.38,0.09,0.10 Romania_Maramures,26.03,28.85,16.08,9.29,14.55,1.83,0.84,0.74,0.77,0.46,0.42,0.07,0.06 Romania_Crisana,25.14,27.30,16.89,9.51,16.54,1.32,0.69,0.43,0.91,0.60,0.44,0.12,0.10 Romania_Banat,23.88,25.79,17.43,10.47,17.42,1.87,0.49,0.57,1.19,0.45,0.26,0.11,0.06 Romania_average,23.71,26.24,17.13,10.25,17.33,1.90,0.64,0.60,1.07,0.54,0.38,0.11,0.10

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10-30-2021, 07:00 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

New Russian averages for Euro K13. The old Russian_Southwest is to be deleted.

Code:

Russian_Pskov,27.00,53.07,7.78,4.50,1.25,1.69,0.54,0.03,1.87,0.73,0.58,0.45,0.50 Russian_Ryazan,24.89,47.15,8.72,7.10,4.48,0.69,1.67,0.40,2.97,0.99,0.32,0.39,0.23 Russian_Southwest,25.94,46.84,8.96,5.59,6.50,0.98,0.99,0.72,1.85,0.81,0.27,0.37,0.19 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl,25.04,49.54,9.31,5.95,1.48,1.02,1.12,0.10,3.82,1.42,0.39,0.66,0.16

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10-30-2021, 08:21 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

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Thanks for adding that! Please add these ones from Komintasavalta's thread

Code:

Khanty,5.65,31.35,0.00,3.55,0.00,0.00,4.34,0.83,47.59,6.01,0.56,0.00,0.10 Mansi,8.34,30.51,0.00,4.75,0.00,0.00,4.24,1.92,43.90,5.26,0.81,0.14,0.13 Sámi_Sweden,24.98,43.85,0.00,0.74,0.00,0.00,1.25,1.23,23.50,3.64,0.41,0.06,0.35

And of course fix that little thing in my message :)
10-31-2021, 06:49 AM
Humanophage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

New Russian averages for Euro K13. The old Russian_Southwest is to be deleted.

Code:

Russian_Pskov,27.00,53.07,7.78,4.50,1.25,1.69,0.54,0.03,1.87,0.73,0.58,0.45,0.50 Russian_Ryazan,24.89,47.15,8.72,7.10,4.48,0.69,1.67,0.40,2.97,0.99,0.32,0.39,0.23 Russian_Southwest,25.94,46.84,8.96,5.59,6.50,0.98,0.99,0.72,1.85,0.81,0.27,0.37,0.19 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl,25.04,49.54,9.31,5.95,1.48,1.02,1.12,0.10,3.82,1.42,0.39,0.66,0.16

"Tver-Yaroslavl" is a somewhat odd category. Tver should be more like Smolensk and Pskov, Yaroslavl is relatively far in the northeast and should be more similar to Vologda (i.e., significantly more North Asian).

Is it based on the average for a bunch of people from somewhere inbetween those two regions?

Here is my grandmother, who was from a village next to Tver and unlikely to have been a new migrant there.
Grandmother1,24.04,54.89,5.81,1.92,6.53,1.95,1.22, 0.71,0.86,1.33,0.73,0,0

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Distance to: bbb
7.30323216 Russian_Pskov
7.46519926 Latvian
7.61736831 Lithuanian
7.97107897 Belarusian_Minsk
8.38089494 Belorussian
9.51823513 Russian_Smolensk
9.70615269 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
9.71770549 Russian_Southwest
10.04903976 Russian_Kostroma
10.34215161 Russian_Ryazan
10.43735599 Russian_average
10.56426997 Polish_Podlaskie
11.04610339 Polish_Mazovia
11.06167709 Polish_Podlaskie
11.16815115 Russian_Kargopol
11.28259279 Mordovian
11.39517881 Polish_Staropolska
11.52184881 Ukrainian
11.61306592 Russian_Northern_Dvina
11.68332145 Polish_Mazovia
11.84366919 Polish_Kuyavia
12.05521879 Estonian
12.68803767 Polish_Kielce
12.68803767 Polish_Kielce
13.13790318 Polish
10-31-2021, 08:40 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humanophage

"Tver-Yaroslavl" is a somewhat odd category. Tver should be more like Smolensk and Pskov, Yaroslavl is relatively far in the northeast and should be more similar to Vologda (i.e., significantly more North Asian).

Is it based on the average for a bunch of people from somewhere inbetween those two regions?

Here is my grandmother, who was from a village next to Tver and unlikely to have been a new migrant there.
Grandmother1,24.04,54.89,5.81,1.92,6.53,1.95,1.22, 0.71,0.86,1.33,0.73,0,0

Hi, druzhishche ;) I don't think it's too odd. Both Tver and Yaroslavl oblasts border Moscow oblast and administratively belong to the Central Federal District. Yes, it's an average of several academic samples. Tver oblast is quite big and elongated in shape, some people over there may be more Western than others.

Can you show me your Dodecad K12b components please?
10-31-2021, 08:40 AM
mariusz99

Some Polish samples should be removed:

Distance to: mariusz
3.82561106 Polish_Silesia
3.87506129 Polish_Silesia
4.10079261 Polish_Lower_Silesia
4.49308357 Polish_WarmiaMasuria
4.49308357 Polish_Masuria
4.58581509 Polish
4.63392922 Polish_Lesser_Poland
4.87900605 Polish_Kielce
4.87900605 Polish_Kielce
5.16876194 Polish_Kujawy
5.25051426 Polish_GreaterPoland
5.28609497 Polish_Greater_Poland
5.31975563 Polish_Mazovia
5.36144570 Polish_Kuyavia
5.37787133 South_Polish
5.61071297 Polish_North_Wielkopolska
6.04021523 Polish_Mazovia
6.09100977 Polish_Southeast
6.40258542 Polish_Staropolska

Now we have 2 Masuria, 2 Kielce, 2 Silesia, 2 Mazovia etc.
10-31-2021, 09:24 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusz99

Some Polish samples should be removed:

Distance to: mariusz
3.82561106 Polish_Silesia
3.87506129 Polish_Silesia
4.10079261 Polish_Lower_Silesia
4.49308357 Polish_WarmiaMasuria
4.49308357 Polish_Masuria
4.58581509 Polish
4.63392922 Polish_Lesser_Poland
4.87900605 Polish_Kielce
4.87900605 Polish_Kielce
5.16876194 Polish_Kujawy
5.25051426 Polish_GreaterPoland
5.28609497 Polish_Greater_Poland
5.31975563 Polish_Mazovia
5.36144570 Polish_Kuyavia
5.37787133 South_Polish
5.61071297 Polish_North_Wielkopolska
6.04021523 Polish_Mazovia
6.09100977 Polish_Southeast
6.40258542 Polish_Staropolska

Now we have 2 Masuria, 2 Kielce, 2 Silesia, 2 Mazovia etc.

Yes, this set should remain

Code:

Poland_Lemko,27.74,37.63,14.89,7.34,9.48,0.24,0.42,0.58,0.56,0.60,0.52,0.00,0.00 Polish_Greater_Poland,31.45,43.92,10.26,5.30,5.52,0.80,0.87,0.09,0.23,0.65,0.48,0.37,0.06 Polish_Kielce,29.3,45.17,10.56,5.45,5.36,0.76,1.36,0.15,0.37,0.81,0.4,0.28,0.03 Polish_Kujawy,31.83,45.41,9.95,4.66,3.33,1.47,1.02,0.20,0.79,0.93,0.00,0.41,0.00 Polish_Lesser_Poland,31.00,43.23,11.15,5.26,5.63,0.55,0.47,0.06,0.80,0.85,0.57,0.29,0.16 Polish_Mazovia,28.33,46.20,10.70,5.60,5.04,0.54,1.20,0.15,0.69,0.66,0.50,0.18,0.20 Polish_North_Wielkopolska,31.98,43.23,10.06,5.79,5.57,0.87,0.73,0.17,0.19,1.00,0.03,0.35,0.03 Polish_Podlaskie,29.87,46.68,7.30,4.42,6.83,1.65,1.33,0.00,1.06,0.35,0.52,0.00,0.00 Polish_Silesia,29.25,43.03,12.16,6.16,5.57,0.39,1.25,0.29,0.64,0.70,0.42,0.16,0.00 Polish_Southeast,28.71,42.67,11.10,6.04,7.21,1.18,0.44,0.11,1.70,0.23,0.12,0.35,0.13 Polish_Staropolska,29.08,46.18,10.22,4.40,6.59,0.77,0.73,0.00,0.45,0.75,0.37,0.46,0.00 Polish_Warmia-Masuria,32.51,44.26,10.88,4.19,3.27,0.95,1.21,0.16,1.06,0.51,0.33,0.29,0.39

And this one should be deleted

Code:

Polish,30.43,45.49,10.42,5.43,3.74,1.24,0.96,0.11,0.29,0.84,0.26,0.51,0.28 Polish_Kielce,29.30,45.17,10.56,5.45,5.36,0.76,1.36,0.15,0.37,0.81,0.40,0.28,0.03 Polish_Masuria,32.51,44.26,10.88,4.19,3.27,0.95,1.21,0.16,1.06,0.51,0.33,0.29,0.39 Polish_Greater_Poland,31.32,43.88,10.29,5.18,5.71,0.76,0.94,0.10,0.24,0.59,0.53,0.40,0.07 Polish_Kuyavia,29.72,47.46,10.58,4.90,2.24,1.00,1.55,0.10,0.66,0.98,0.00,0.83,0.00 Polish_Lower_Silesia,28.53,43.29,12.88,8.20,3.34,0.07,1.92,0.00,0.59,0.00,1.18,0.00,0.00 Polish_Mazovia,28.13,46.65,10.20,5.63,5.28,0.59,1.16,0.16,0.65,0.66,0.48,0.18,0.22 Polish_Podlaskie,30.76,46.51,7.44,3.36,6.18,2.20,1.49,0.00,1.20,0.16,0.70,0.00,0.00 Polish_Silesia,28.80,44.29,13.79,3.77,5.70,0.07,1.51,0.00,0.00,1.61,0.12,0.34,0.00
10-31-2021, 06:26 PM
Humanophage

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Originally Posted by Leto

Hi, druzhishche ;) I don't think it's too odd. Both Tver and Yaroslavl oblasts border Moscow oblast and administratively belong to the Central Federal District. Yes, it's an average of several academic samples. Tver oblast is quite big and elongated in shape, some people over there may be more Western than others.

Can you show me your Dodecad K12b components please?

Privet :wave

Well, most of historical Russian areas belong to the Central Federal District, but that is a pretty expansive territory spanning different pre-Slavic substrates. E.g. you can see that Tver resembles Kursk (which is significantly to the southwest) rather than Murom (which borders Moscow on the east). Although maybe that's the sample being used.
https://i.imgur.com/GN7ZuIn.jpg
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3591355/

On the other hand, here is another one from Molgen: https://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=7120.780
https://i.imgur.com/pCWTbWN.png

Tver is 21, Yaroslavl and Ivanovo is 25. They seem fairly distant, with Yaroslavl being about halfway between Tver and northeast Russia, while Tver is roughly halfway between Yaroslavl and southwest Russia.

Those are my Tver grandma's Dodecad K12b components. She is right from the centre of the oblast, between Rzhev and Tver: Grandmother1,2.06,0.9,0,0.67,17.59,64.69,0.79,0,1. 32,0.53,11.45,0

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Distance to: bbb
5.00348878 Lithuanian
6.27718090 Russian_Tver
6.28134540 Latvian
6.92445666 Belarusian_Minsk
7.41064774 Estonian
7.46010724 Russian_Smolensk
7.92150869 Belorussian
8.10561534 Russian_Voronezh
8.21280098 Russian_Kursk
8.85581730 Russian
8.89298600 Polish_Mazovia
9.00788543 Russian_Oryol
9.17124855 Russian_Kostroma
9.46667312 Russian_Northern_Dvina
9.52469422 North_Russian
9.86515585 Russian_Ryazan
10.55915243 Ukrainian
10.64021616 Karelian
10.97862013 Mordovian
11.34230576 Veps
11.38001318 Polish
12.35388198 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
12.39081918 Finnish_East
12.55552468 Finnish_West
12.94050231 Russian_Ural
10-31-2021, 06:53 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humanophage

Privet :wave

Well, most of historical Russian areas belong to the Central Federal District, but that is a pretty expansive territory spanning different pre-Slavic substrates. E.g. you can see that Tver resembles Kursk (which is significantly to the southwest) rather than Murom (which borders Moscow on the east). Although maybe that's the sample being used.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/GN7ZuIn.jpg
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3591355/

On the other hand, here is another one from Molgen: https://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=7120.780
[img]https://i.imgur.com/pCWTbWN.png

Tver is 21, Yaroslavl and Ivanovo is 25. They seem fairly distant, with Yaroslavl being about halfway between Tver and northeast Russia, while Tver is roughly halfway between Yaroslavl and southwest Russia.

Those are my Tver grandma's Dodecad K12b components. She is right from the centre of the oblast, between Rzhev and Tver: Grandmother1,2.06,0.9,0,0.67,17.59,64.69,0.79,0,1. 32,0.53,11.45,0

Interesting but I can't say much about those charts because I haven't seen the samples themselves. On the other hand, the ones I added are pretty much in the same range.
I can say your grandma is fairly atypical for most of Russia with such a high score of Baltic and North_European. And actually I wanted to see your own K12b results ;). Where is the rest of your ancestry from? It's weird that I've never talked to you before even though you are one of the oldest members here.

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