Actual Importance of Haplogroups

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Originally Posted by Universe

If the Englishman has my subclade but is autosomally English then I'm still genetically more similar to random Hungarian, Slovak, Slovenian, Croatian etc people than to that English man matching my HG.

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Im not arguing you would be more similar to the english man im saying both carries certain informations about you and history

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Originally Posted by Ugo

By the way, the Armenians practically do not have the Pit component. 0 - 3%.

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They are higher in qpAdm fstats.

Regardless, their R1b lineages have persevered from their BA ancestors.

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Originally Posted by Petalpusher

Also a little reminder that we are also made of many men (and women) of possibly very different haplogoups than what we display. For example anyone knows his maternal grandfather's Y? Could be anything... or his paternal grandmother mt? Yet they are as important in our lineage both autosomally and genealogically.
Even on some emotionnal level i find it wrong. I had a much better relationship with my maternal grandfather than paternal who i have seen maybe 5 times in my life. Both of their lineages leaded equally to me, there s no reason for, at least, one to be minimized over the other, or our female lineages too for that matter. Even as a toxic male i find it outrageous and silly.

Haplos are fun and useful for population history, but many have an hemiplegic view of them.

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Yes that is equally important and carries more informations about your family history im not arguing from a toxic male perspective or that haplogroups solely define your race but it is also not true that they tell nothing they can reveal deep origins a white man with native american hg could reveal distant native ancestorI for example i find the whole debate silly anyways

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Originally Posted by Universe

The reality is that I (as a Hungarian person) share way more DNA with random Hungarian individuals of whatever haplogroup than with an Englishman who shares my haplogroup.

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I am talking archaeo-genetics and how you can trace migrations through haplogroups.

I am not interested in ethno-centric pissing contests.

By all means, you can be related to mickey mouse more for all I care.

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Originally Posted by eupator

I am talking archaeo-genetics and how you can trace migrations through haplogroups.

I am not interested in ethno-centric pissing contests.

By all means, you can be related to mickey mouse more for all I care.

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Stating you're sharing more DNA with x than y is stating the reality, not ethnocentrism.

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Originally Posted by Universe

Stating you're sharing more DNA with x than to y is stating the reality, not ethnocentrism.

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I suggest you re-read my posts carefully.

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

Yes that is equally important and carries more informations about your family history im not arguing from a toxic male perspective or that haplogroups solely define your race but it is also not true that they tell nothing they can reveal deep origins a white man with native american hg could reveal distant native ancestorI for example i find the whole debate silly anyways

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Focusing on y-chr is not 'toxic male perspective', it's solely due to the fact that it mutates really fast producing further subclades and thus can be used to trace detailed pathways of migrations throughout the span of history.

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Originally Posted by eupator

Focusing on y-chr is not 'toxic male perspective', it's solely due to the fact that it mutates really fast producing further subclades and thus can be used to trace detailed pathways of migrations throughout the span of history.

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Im not personally saying it is but some think it is or that it is about

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Originally Posted by Universe

The reality is that I (as a Hungarian person) share way more DNA with random Hungarian individuals of whatever haplogroup than with an Englishman who shares my haplogroup.

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No you don’t. Everyone keeps saying “The reality is I share more” well show us proof then? It’s good to talk but you need proof instead of talking randomly.

I’ll save you time here is the proof. You share 2% of your entire genome with other members of your haplogroup while you barely barely share 0.001 with your Hungarian buddies. Your haplogroup cousins are closer to you than 3rd cousins and above, let alone your countrymen. That’s only talking genetically let alone talking about ancestors, mutations and etc.

Autosomal warriors are funny. Ethnic nationalism is absolute nonsense.

Now I’m waiting for you to show me the evidence you are more related to a Hungarian neighbour then your cousins

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Originally Posted by Touijer

No you don’t. Everyone keeps saying “The reality is I share more” well show us proof then? It’s good to talk but you need proof instead of talking randomly.

I’ll save you time here is the proof. You share 2% of your entire genome with other members of your haplogroup while you barely barely share 0.001 with your Hungarian buddies. Your haplogroup cousins are closer to you than 3rd cousins and above, let alone your countrymen. That’s only talking genetically let alone talking about ancestors, mutations and etc.

Autosomal warriors are funny.

Now I’m waiting for you to show me the evidence you are more related to a Hungarian neighbour then your cousins

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So where's your proof.

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Ethnic nationalism is absolute nonsense.

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So why is it more popular than your haplo-nationalism