Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Trojet

And this is the problem you're having not understanding the subclades. We're not talking about all I2a1 which is at least 10, 000 years old and includes the early split of Sardinian M26, we're talking about the CTS10228 aka Dinaric subclade found in the Balkans, which is only about 2200 years old at the time the Slavs existed and started expanding afterwards.

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Tribecode gives me I2a1b3a and does not give me that exact CTS10228 subclade?!

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Originally Posted by Drawing-slim

Tribecode gives me I2a1b3a and does not give me that exact CTS10228 subclade?!

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That means it tested all the way to I-L621 level and didn't test for CTS10228 which is its subclade ;)

EDIT: if you'd like to test further and don't want to do Y-DNA37 at FTDNA or Y37 at YSEQ, I would consider the YSEQ I2a-M423 SNP Panel which will test even below CTS10228, but mind that most likely you will fall somewhere below it.

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Originally Posted by Trojet

That means it tested all the way to I-L621 level and didn't test for CTS10228 which is its subclade ;)

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thats correct. Thnx

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Originally Posted by Dema

Ok i linked to you also Macedonian FTDNA project that also shows I2a as largest group at Macedonians.

Show me some study then that would confirm that Tosks have higher I2a then Macedonians.

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Tosks haven't tested much, there are barely few at ftdna. The scientific studies we have seen so far do suggest that CTS10228 and R1a are well represented among them. Now if that was a sample bias, can't really say, and it might not be because there are few studies that basically reported almost exactly the same thing. Of course to really know in which region in the south they peak or are more represented we need Tosks to start testing through our project - the only way we can get to the bottom of it so we don't have to rely on few scientific studies (like we have done with Ghegs so far).

You were singeling out Skrapar, Laberia: Two fellas who have tested from there, Geni and another guy at 23andme, are R1b and related to me and other Albanians. So it doesn't look like Skrapar was one of their settlements, no I2a or R1a from there as of yet.

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

Tosks haven't tested much, there are barely few at ftdna. The scientific studies we have seen so far do suggest that CTS10228 and R1a are well represented among them. Now if that was a sample bias, can't really say, and it might not be because there are few studies that basically reported almost exactly the same thing. Of course to really know in which region in the south they peak or are more represented we need Tosks to start testing through our project - the only way we can get to the bottom of it so we don't have to rely on few scientific studies (like we have done with the Ghegs so far).

You were pointing out Skrapar, Laberia: Two fellas who have tested from there, Geni and another guy at 23andme, are R1b and related to me and other Albanians. So it doesn't look like Skrapar was one of their settlements, no I2a or R1a from there as of yet.

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Yes but from what i seen Macedonia has at least 20% I2a, and also based on colors they are representing like there is 25 - 30 per cent of I2a in large part of S Albania. Also more then anywhere in Macedonia. This just seem unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by Trojet

Labëria bro, I really don't want to be involved in this topic, but Albs like you who are so immature regarding genetics, yet choose to engage in this topic and stick to their theories are really pushing me. There is a lot more data on I2a1-CTS10228 aka Dinaric now then there was just two years ago.
It's not just Sarno et al. 2015, it's also Ferri et al 2010. What do you want, a study that will test every single Albanian. Mind that we now have data from our own project also.

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Trojet, duke diskutuar mësohet, sidomos kur ke të bësh me këta lloj ekspertësh.
Nuk pres që ç'do person të testohet gjenetikisht, mbase në një të ardhme mund të jetë diçka e detyrueshme në letërnjoftimet e ç'do personi, mbase.
Unë mendoj se ju jeni personi më i përgatitur për problemet gjenetike nga shqiptarët, kështu që po shfrytëzoj rastin që të pyes disa gjëra.
Nga eksperienca juaj, sa mund që të jetë numri i shqiptarëve nga Jugu që janë testuar në këto projektet e mëdha? Përafërsisht nëse nuk ke një shifër të saktë.
A ka ndonjë informacion se nga cilat zona të jugut janë këta njerëz dhe në cilat zona është më i lartë përqëndrimi i këtyre haplogroupeve?
Ne jemi duke diskutuar për kombe dhe grupime etnike. Shkenca që merret me këtë punë është Historia. Në dijeninë time asnjë historian serioz nuk merr në konsideratë gjatë punës së tij gjenetikën. Ke ndonjë shpjegim për këtë?
Faleminderit.

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Originally Posted by Dema

Yes but from what i seen Macedonia has at least 20% I2a, and also based on colors they are representing like there is 25 - 30 per cent of I2a in large part of S Albania. Also more then anywhere in Macedonia. This just seem unbelievable.

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Eupedia maps shouldn't be taken seriously when discussing specific regions, they are just 'general' information based on scientific studies. To really understant our ydna in more detial we need folks to test, simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

Eupedia maps shouldn't be taken seriously when discussing specific regions, they are just 'general' information based on scientific studies. To really understant our ydna in more detial we need folks to test, simple as that.

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Yes that is exactly why i pointed out things like this. Also we know Hercegovina is hot spot with sometimes 70% and its not same as most of Dalmatia as it is shown here.
I am not trying to discredit Eupedia, just give them a motivation to make more accurate maps and update their old ones. Details like this are very important.
After all this thread is opened because of detail like that, which seem to be incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Skerdilaid

Tosks haven't tested much, there are barely few at ftdna. The scientific studies we have seen so far do suggest that CTS10228 and R1a are well represented among them. Now if that was a sample bias, can't really say, and it might not be because there are few studies that basically reported almost exactly the same thing. Of course to really know in which region in the south they peak or are more represented we need Tosks to start testing through our project - the only way we can get to the bottom of it so we don't have to rely on few scientific studies (like we have done with Ghegs so far).

You were singeling out Skrapar, Laberia: Two fellas who have tested from there, Geni and another guy at 23andme, are R1b and related to me and other Albanians. So it doesn't look like Skrapar was one of their settlements, no I2a or R1a from there as of yet.

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Duhet që ta lexosh me vëmendje atë pjesën e Skraparit. Njihet që në Skrapar ka pasur Sclavonia. Po të shikosh hartën gjeografike, është ky zinxhir malesh nga Skrapari në Opar, janë pak a shumë e njëjta zonë. Unë thashë që një pjesë e këtyre sllavëve u mblodhën nga bizantinët. Përderisa Muzaka përmend sllavë në Opar, dhe ne e dimë që ata janë sllavë të asimiluar, dhe nuk përmend në Skrapar, do të thotë që këta të Skraparit duhet të jenë larguar nga bizantinët. A kanë mbetur disa? Po më pyete mua që e njoh disi atë zonë unë them po. Tani me dy veta që thua ti që janë testuar, çfarë përfundimi mund të nxjerrësh?

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Originally Posted by Dema

Yes but from what i seen Macedonia has at least 20% I2a, and also based on colors they are representing like there is 25 - 30 per cent of I2a in large part of S Albania. Also more then anywhere in Macedonia. This just seem unbelievable.

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How do you explain this Dema?