VLATKO VUKOVIC's autosomal!

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Originally Posted by Dibran

Yea, I just noticed :(. That sucks. you should do Y-DNA with Ftdna next. Likely you will be I2a1b-Din, given its high dominance in Bosnia. R1a, and others are also possible.

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I expect I2a.

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Originally Posted by *****

I reacted because of the untruth you've said.
Yes, the Byzantines did give part of the Slavs a culture, in both of religion and writing.
That's undeniable fact...
Other Slavs like Croats and Slovenes were influenced by the Franks, hence becoming Catholics and writing in Latin...
And not all the Slavs did come with the Avars, only part of them.
White Croats are Slavs that came later on and annihilated the Avars and took their land...
Also, if you are not interested by genetics than you can not understand the human history and migration that happened during medievals.
Because the language you are speaking doesn't make you necessarily a Turk, a Slav or a Greek...
The culture and the language are just tools for assimilation and the Slavic language in the Balkans was spread not by the Avars, but by the Slavic empires in the Balkans.

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Turks are only bound by language and recognition of a common identity. This has been so since the beginning. Congratulations on defeating 20,000 Avars after their century presence in the region. Nothing that I stated is out of limits of academic consensus. Proto-slavs dwelled in dense forests. Turks brought early political organization and principles of state foundation to Eastern Europe and spread proto-Slavic language in the Balkans.

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J. Brutzkus. 1944. The Khazar Origin of Ancient Kiev. Slavonic and East European Review. American Series

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Hyun Jin Kim. 2015. The Huns. Routledge

Avars were responsible for the spreading and diffusion of proto-Slavic language in the Balkans and paved the way for later Slavic migrations into the region. This is supported by the bulk of academia.

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Hyun Jin Kim. 2015. The Huns (Peoples of the Ancient World). Routledge

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T. Kamusella. 2009. The Politics of Language and Nationalism in Modern Central Europe. Palgrave Macmillan

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Saskia Pronk-Tiethoff. 2013. The Germanic Loanwords in Proto-Slavic. Rodopi

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Originally Posted by itilvolga

Congratz, i bet you are hella proud of your ancestors now :lol:

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Thank you, and yes, surely i am.

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Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

The same argument can Muslims use today in Middle East and elsewhere about Christians, what we can conclude today how in past 1000 years power/wealth has gone in to opposite direction, from once Muslim domination in Eurasia to Christian domination, besides, everyone in medieval times were ruthless, what sound Crusades or Inquisition to you? Opposite of Christians, Moors for eg. established quite a progressive and science based society, whereas Christians at that time make ISIS look like a kid from kindergarten.

Today is trendy to scapegoat on Muslims but isn't how you say it.

PS. Sorry for off topic, I won't hijack this thread anymore.

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Christians are not opressing Muslims in ME today.
Muslims live today exactly like they lived 1000,2000 years ago.
Muslims were never advanced in their entire history, as for the 300 years of the so called "Islamic Golden Age", it is a myth , stolen technology from Persian, Greek, Egyptian, Byzantine, Syrian, Jewish scholars.Read more https://myislam.dk/articles/en/trifk...-is-a-myth.php

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Originally Posted by Yaglakar

Indeed, this is the zone of eastern forest peoples. He should be proud of Oghuric Avars who spread the language that he speaks in the Balkans as well as later Oghuric Khazars who laid the foundation future Varangian (Viking) Kievan Rus by founding the city of Kiev and accustoming early Slavs to state foundation and political organization.

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Where are those Avars? I am still here, and my language speak half Europe. I cognate with Ukrainians genetically which is proof of our autosomal genetical historical relation, and i my results debunked the theory that South Slavs aren't Slavs, but assimilated Thrachians, Illyrians etc..

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Originally Posted by Yaglakar

You occupy the opposite radical spectrum of Bori. The entire steppe was Turkic since 5 century AD. Slavs eventually overwhelmed Turks with muskets and technology they got from Western Europe. Due to your bias, you constantly refer to Turks as a bunch of nomads failing to acknowledge that Turkic khaganates and smaller polities employed various writing systems, established cities and built fortresses all across the Steppes. Why don't you call Scythians a bunch of pillaging nomads? Early Slavic polities in the East were established by Vikings. The city of Kiev itself was founded by Khazars who built a fortress there. Thus the Greek name Sambatas from Turkic Sambat aka 'high fortress'. State foundation and political organization was brought by Turks to Eastern Europe. Obviously, the culture of Turks was no match for Meditarranean or Chinese ones, but far more advanced than that of Eastern or Northern Europe or that of Scythians who lost the Steppes to Turks and were absorbed by various Turkic groups.

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Who cares what somebody establish? Slavs forced their language toward Vikings, toward Finns, toward Turkics and even toward Balts, who lived until Moscow in ancient times. All are assimilated in Russia and speaking Slavic Russian language. Who did it for them? Avars? Vikings?

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Originally Posted by *****

Very radical results considering Bosnia's geographical position.

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That's normal here. Descedants of Slavic invaders are living there.

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

What about us catholics ;)......I think he got a permanent ban

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You are western, central Europeans. Ask Stears ;)

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

Where are those Avars? I am still here, and my language speak half Europe. I cognate with Ukrainians genetically which is proof of our autosomal genetical historical relation, and i my results debunked the theory that South Slavs aren't Slavs, but assimilated Thrachians, Illyrians etc..

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There you go, Avars and Slavs slaughtered Romans and changed demographics of the region just like I stated earlier. :)

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Originally Posted by Yaglakar

There you go, Avars and Slavs slaughtered Romans and changed demographics of the region just like I stated earlier. :)

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Avars who? Their language dead. The Slavic was lingua franca in Avar Khaganate.