Genética de españoles e hispanoamericanos

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Ahora es buen momento de recordar aquel calculador que hice a partir de un mapa con subregiones europeas...

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No eres el mismo, algo te pasa, está cambiando hasta tu forma de hablar.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Spaniard 2.0, veamos si mi madre te gana a British, a ver tus distancias con esto, sobre todo la distancia al componente Irish:

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British_Islands:English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.0392299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.0056781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0.0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
British_Islands:English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.1397525,0.0613546,0.0431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.0034346,0.0063902,0.0064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0.0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
British_Islands:Welsh,0.1319779,0.1381628,0.0601319,0.0430236,0.0405922,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.006392,0.0062789,0.0043372,-0.0042302,0.0059122,-0.0129112,-0.0109754,0.0205954,0.005708,-0.0087032,0.0023564,0.003086,0.0020072,0.0049849,0.0038518,-1.24e-05,0.0112243,0.0008083
British_Islands:Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246,0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
British_Islands:Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0.0482532,0.0383388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.0031318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745,0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665

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Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.8732% / 0.05873203
100.0 British_Islands

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.05873203 British_Islands:English_Cornwall
0.06039142 British_Islands:Welsh
0.06111760 British_Islands:English
0.06548239 British_Islands:Scottish
0.06772616 British_Islands:Irish


Creo que uno de los portugueses de aquí podría tener mejores distancias que cualquiera de los dos.

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Distance to: Josef
0.19239584 British_Islands:Scottish
0.19327496 British_Islands:English
0.19350743 British_Islands:Welsh
0.19393430 British_Islands:English_Cornwall
0.19466142 British_Islands:Irish

Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 8.0932% / 0.08093170
100.0 British_Islands

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Como me aburría he fabricado 3 samples de las provincias del País Vasco, a ver qué os parecen:

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Fantasma:Vizcaya,0.12378250,0.14980730,0.04977350,0.00937240,0.05159420,-0.00171990,-0.00097915,0.00262295,0.02709255,0.03797495,-0.00745085,0.00949155,-0.01980405,-0.01545270,0.01115610,-0.00015045,-0.00771880,0.00214725,-0.00306060,-0.00460420,0.00647200,0.00161375,-0.00729820,-0.00546855,0.00393171
Robasetas:Guipúzcoa,0.12378265,0.14913045,0.04971085,0.00603470,0.05256870,0.00065080,-0.00231085,0.00093080,0.02777440,0.03994930,-0.00712605,0.01091525,-0.01811940,-0.01552170,0.01443625,0.00044640,-0.01032650,0.00206275,-0.00159425,-0.00347855,0.00740765,0.00252040,-0.00779120,-0.00456475,0.00596771
Patatero:Álava,0.11927715,0.14861415,0.04666550,0.00037953,0.05069903,-0.00185928,-0.00822500,0.00219615,0.02789713,0.03698323,-0.00548470,0.00884213,-0.01631920,-0.01448135,0.01194563,0.00200220,-0.00421793,-0.00000320,-0.00208538,-0.00218745,0.00702083,0.00162078,-0.00412143,-0.00527470,-0.00527470

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Las hice así:

Vizcaya=Basque_French+Spanish_Cantabria
Guipúzcoa=Basque_French+Spanish_Navarra
Álava=Basque_French+Spanish_Castilla_Y_León+Spanis h_Navarra+Spanish_La_Rioja

Y saldrían esto, solo con referencias de Spanish_X mas el Basque_French:



Son mejorables, pero no me parece que hayan quedado mal.

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Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 4.0699% / 0.04069879
100.0 Patatero

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Originally Posted by Gallop

Ah de haplogrupos, que bonito! Recuerdo en los principios cuando la gente se pasó más de 10 años hablando sólo de su haplogrupo, xd

Dicen que el haplogrupo representa tan sólo el 2% de nuestro genoma y que sólo está hablando de uno de nuestros antepasados, será verdad. Entonces si eso fuese verdad te puedes encontrar un indígena en taparrabo con un haplogrupo de una fundación que está a miles de km y viceversa, será eso verdad?

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Los haplogrupos a resumidas cuentas sirven solo para ver las migraciones de las poblaciones, trazando la linea de tiempo mediante el subclado, no sirve y no sirvera JAMAS para hacer una estimacion autosomica, seria una farsa. Por ejemplo, si nosotros nada mas tuviesemos a mano un test de Y-DNA, tu serias de Etiopia y yo de Islas Britanicas, y ambos estan lejos de la realidad.

En promedio, los españoles (y en esta me incluire a mucha honra) compartimos con los respectivos haplogrupos:

54% J-M172
29.5% R-L151
12.5% I-M170
4% E-M78

Imaginate, que no esta nisiquiera el popular E-M81 de los marroquies, entonces, si la unica informacion que tuviesemos a la mano de nosotros fuese el haplogrupo, estuviesemos perdidos como ninguno.

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Originally Posted by Gallop

No eres el mismo, algo te pasa, está cambiando hasta tu forma de hablar.

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Será el sol, que me reblandece el cerebro, como no tengo pelo, me afecta más que a otros.

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

Una pregunta... Si te digo el apellido por Rep. y la pego, tu me dirias que seria ese? Porque coincide con una familia vasca que no se exactamente si eran bilbainos y podrian ser alaveses, eran bastante nacionalistas españoles (cosa rarisima en los vascos alla).

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Puedo intentarlo.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Será el sol, que me reblandece el cerebro, como no tengo pelo, me afecta más que a otros.

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Creí que llevabas más tiempo en España como para que tu forma de hablar hubiese cambiado; aunque a lo mejor volvísteis muchos familiares, entonces es más difícil que se pierda la forma de hablar sudamericana.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0

Luego miro

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Puedo oler tu miedo...

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Originally Posted by Gallop

Creí que llevabas más tiempo en España como para que tu forma de hablar hubiese cambiado; aunque a lo mejor volvísteis muchos familiares, entonces es más difícil que se pierda la forma de hablar sudamericana.

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No sé si lo dices en broma o te has liado con lo que dije de que un amigo de la cuadrilla nació en Venezuela.;)

Yo he nacido en España, y todos mis antepasados conocidos igual.

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Originally Posted by Rocinante

Xabi es de pocas palabras, es muy autentico de esa manera. Supongo que son modalidades mas dignas de alguien del Norte no? No se porque extrañarme.

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Si.