South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

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08-30-2019, 06:14 PM
Mingle

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Really funny considering how racist and xenophobic he is. Good lesson for him, if true.

Didn't you say that you had it checked before with a geneticist or something and they said it wasn't Romani? I think there's a chance it may be something ancient. But first, I think we should compare his results to those of pure Szeklers because I'm wondering how likely it is that he got it from that side. If the South Asian in Szeklers is similar to that in Hungary Hungarians (and most other Europeans), then there's a high chance its Romani. If not, then it's probably related to his Szekler side. After all, Szeklers tend to have more East Eurasian compared to their neighbors so who knows, maybe they also naturally have more South Asian as well.
08-30-2019, 06:15 PM
Leto

Could you add this guy? A (former) TA member, he is not a South Slav, he is of mixed ancestry.

Code:

North_Sea 11.52 Pct Atlantic 10.86 Pct Baltic 13.18 Pct Eastern_Euro 12.75 Pct West_Med 6.89 Pct West_Asian 10.51 Pct East_Med 20.99 Pct Red_Sea 6.42 Pct South_Asian 1.81 Pct Southeast_Asian - Siberian 1.86 Pct Amerindian 0.43 Pct Oceanian 0.50 Pct Northeast_African 1.51 Pct Sub-Saharan 0.77 Pct
08-30-2019, 06:21 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

Didn't you say that you had it checked before with a geneticist or something and they said it wasn't Romani? I think there's a chance it may be something ancient. But first, I think we should compare his results to those of pure Szeklers because I'm wondering how likely it is that he got it from that side. If the South Asian in Szeklers is similar to that in Hungary Hungarians (and most other Europeans), then there's a high chance its Romani. If not, then it's probably related to his Szekler side. After all, Szeklers tend to have more East Eurasian compared to their neighbors so who knows, maybe they also naturally have more South Asian as well.

Yes, that guy said he thinks his Indian is from Tatar like source.
08-30-2019, 06:45 PM
Mingle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Yes, that guy said he thinks his Indian is from Tatar like source.

Here is a result that was posted by Leto of a Szekler that is around 1-1.5% South Asian: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Dmatch-Results

Here is a guy that claims both his parents are from Hungary and his grandfather is from Transylvania:

Eurogenes K13

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.76
2 Baltic 27.21
3 West_Med 18.15
4 West_Asian 10.13
5 East_Med 9.41
6 South_Asian 2.25
7 Siberian 1.79

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarian @ 8.059379
2 Serbian @ 8.275251
3 Austrian @ 8.826385
4 Moldavian @ 9.815114
5 East_German @ 10.465078
6 Croatian @ 10.764316
7 Romanian @ 11.542377
8 West_German @ 14.285496
9 Bulgarian @ 14.803082
10 South_Dutch @ 15.717321
11 French @ 16.575891
12 South_Polish @ 17.173874
13 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 17.192041
14 Ukrainian @ 18.623247
15 North_German @ 19.251150
16 North_Italian @ 20.457878
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.183605
18 Polish @ 21.313013
19 Portuguese @ 21.438158
20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.675425

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% Romanian @ 4.677863

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 3.485314

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Estonian + French_Basque + Turkish + Ukrainian @ 2.755819
2 French_Basque + Lithuanian + South_Polish + Turkish @ 2.842580
3 Estonian + French_Basque + Polish + Turkish @ 2.897413
4 Estonian + French_Basque + South_Polish + Turkish @ 2.944663
5 French_Basque + Lithuanian + Turkish + Ukrainian @ 2.963033
6 French_Basque + Lithuanian + Polish + Turkish @ 3.008123
7 Estonian_Polish + French_Basque + Polish + Turkish @ 3.139944
8 Estonian + French_Basque + Turkish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.158569
9 Estonian + French_Basque + Russian_Smolensk + Turkish @ 3.182859
10 Belorussian + French_Basque + Polish + Turkish @ 3.215864
11 Estonian + Estonian_Polish + French_Basque + Turkish @ 3.230844
12 Erzya + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.249181
13 French_Basque + Polish + Russian_Smolensk + Turkish @ 3.265847
14 Armenian + Estonian + Estonian + French_Basque @ 3.267413
15 French_Basque + Polish + Polish + Turkish @ 3.283576
16 French_Basque + Lithuanian + Turkish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.310520
17 Estonian + French_Basque + Southwest_Russian + Turkish @ 3.357758
18 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.415923
19 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Kargopol_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.428199
20 Belorussian + Estonian + French_Basque + Turkish @ 3.439872

Eurogenes K15

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Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 10.094005
2 Hungarian @ 10.210154
3 Moldavian @ 10.774268
4 East_German @ 11.615539
5 Croatian @ 12.700598
6 Austrian @ 12.857929
7 Romanian @ 13.346256
8 West_German @ 15.645119
9 South_Dutch @ 16.340351
10 French @ 16.479872
11 Bulgarian @ 16.651213
12 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 17.123032
13 Ukrainian @ 17.653124
14 South_Polish @ 17.720587
15 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.486757
16 North_German @ 19.645962
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.912615
18 Polish @ 20.615181
19 Finnish @ 20.626419
20 North_Italian @ 20.713125

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% West_German @ 7.600624

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Finnish +25% Sardinian +25% Tabassaran @ 6.080249

Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Estonian + Sardinian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 4.932977
2 Estonian + North_Swedish + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 4.970947
3 Estonian + Norwegian + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 4.985823
4 Estonian + Sardinian + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 5.094259
5 Finnish + North_Swedish + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 5.485214
6 Lithuanian + Sardinian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 5.502033
7 East_Finnish + Sardinian + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 5.644237
8 Estonian + Lezgin + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 5.678338
9 East_Finnish + Sardinian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 5.743415
10 Finnish + Sardinian + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 5.768683
11 East_Finnish + Norwegian + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 5.776908
12 Lithuanian + Norwegian + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 5.804651
13 East_Finnish + North_Swedish + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 5.809923
14 Estonian + Lezgin + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 5.836759
15 North_Swedish + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran @ 5.862328
16 Finnish + Norwegian + Sardinian + Tabassaran @ 5.896487
17 Estonian_Polish + Sardinian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 5.896676
18 Kargopol_Russian + Sardinian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 5.902459
19 Estonian + Lezgin + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 5.925237
20 Belorussian + Sardinian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 5.980185

This is all I have on him. His South Asian score is 2.25%, not far off from Stears and his ancestry is also kinda similar to that of Stears' (25% Szekler vs. 50% Szekler). However, the fully Szekler guy posted by Leto gets less South Asian than both of them. Its possible that the guy I posted above also has some distant ancestry. After all, if he was only 25% Szekler, then that means a full Szekler would be at least 5% South Asian which seems kinda high. But then again, inheritance can work in weird ways sometimes. So its hard to say. I think its more likely that Stears got his SA mostly from his Szekler side, but we need to see more Szekler results to confirm. How much South Asian does he get in Eurogenes K13 and K15?

Do Szeklers have surnames that are common/non-existent among Hungarians from Hungary? If so, then we could maybe find some of them on GEDmatch that way.
08-30-2019, 06:52 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

This result posted by Leto of a Szekler is around 1-1.5% South Asian: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Dmatch-Results

Here is a guy that claims both his parents are from Hungary and his grandfather is from Transylvania:

Eurogenes K13

Eurogenes K15

This is all I have on him. His South Asian score is 2.25%, not far off from Stears and his ancestry is also kinda similar to that of Stears' (25% Szekler vs. 50% Szekler). However, the fully Szekler guy posted by Leto gets less South Asian than both of them. Its possible that the guy I posted above also has some distant ancestry. After all, if he was only 25% Szekler, then that means a full Szekler would be at least 5% South Asian which seems kinda high. But then again, inheritance can work in weird ways sometimes. So its hard to say. I think its more likely that Stears got his SA mostly from his Szekler side, but we need to see more Szekler results to confirm. How much South Asian does he get in Eurogenes K13 and K15?

Do Szeklers have surnames that are common/non-existent among Hungarians from Hungary? If so, then we could maybe find some of them on GEDmatch that way.

In K13 above 2%, K15 1-2% I think. His K15 posted in beginning somewhere. Their surnames are fairly usual as other Hungarians.

Stears mother home county has many Gypsies, percentage wise most in Transdanubia (although their numbers were much smaller in the past). She refuses to DNA test.

This made me kind of suspicious.
08-30-2019, 06:59 PM
Mingle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

In K13 above 2%, K15 1-2% I think. His K15 posted in beginning somewhere. Their surnames are fairly usual as other Hungarians.

Stears mother home county has kinda many Gypsies, most in Transdanubia (although their numbers were much smaller in the past). She refuses to DNA test.

This made me kind of suspicious.

I don't think she has anything to hide. Older people just have a different mentality towards the idea of taking DNA tests. I guess the most we can do now is just look for results from his parents' regions to confirm where that SA percentage comes from.
08-30-2019, 07:05 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

Didn't you say that you had it checked before with a geneticist or something and they said it wasn't Romani? I think there's a chance it may be something ancient. But first, I think we should compare his results to those of pure Szeklers because I'm wondering how likely it is that he got it from that side. If the South Asian in Szeklers is similar to that in Hungary Hungarians (and most other Europeans), then there's a high chance its Romani. If not, then it's probably related to his Szekler side. After all, Szeklers tend to have more East Eurasian compared to their neighbors so who knows, maybe they also naturally have more South Asian as well.

with the evidence we have from gedmatch calculators and that geneticist, he definitely has some connection to that wider South Asian area, but he didn't get it from Gypsies.
08-30-2019, 07:09 PM
Leto

Why are people so interested in where exactly a former member may have gotten his 1-2% South Asian from? xD
He is not even a South Slav by the way.
08-30-2019, 07:11 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

with the evidence we have from gedmatch calculators and that geneticist, he definitely has some connection to that wider South Asian area, but he didn't get it from Gypsies.

Gypsies are mixed like a motherfucker, have you not seen the G25 model? 55% Greek, 35% Chamar (South Asian Dalits) and 10% Armenian or some shit like that.
08-30-2019, 07:13 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Why are people so interested in where exactly a former member may have gotten his 1-2% South Asian from? xD
He is not even a South Slav by the way.

he's a neighbour :bounce:

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