King Raedwald was an Anglian, not a Saxon. How much more do you have to pay to get that rectified.
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King Raedwald was an Anglian, not a Saxon. How much more do you have to pay to get that rectified.
That's because the Irish kept their own form of Christianity until the Normans came. They kept a lot of their old beliefs along with the Christian ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daco Celtic
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The conversion of Gaelic culture to christainity partially failed as secular pagan rituals survived late into the medieval period. As we shall see the conversion of Ireland was as much about continuity as it was about change.
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The early christian accounts of St Brigid clearly co opt the Goddess myth constructing a story of St Brigid as semi mythical by focused on miracles. These early histories most notably “the Life of St Brigid the virgin” by Cogitosus clearly illustrate how the goddess became a woman and Christian saint. St Brigid shares many of the characteristics of the Goddess Brigid in this work while Christian aspects are added on. (A similar process can be seen in the earliest histories of St Patrick which give Patrick druidic qualities.)
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However the story of conversions in Ireland is one of Christian missionaries adapting their belief system to make as similar as possible to the existing Pagan beliefs. Early Christians seem to have been highly flexible and focused heavily on the similarity and continuity between early Christianity and Paganism rather than the differences between them. This lead to a slow gradual change from Paganism. There seems to have been very little confrontation or conflict around the issue not least by the fact there was not one Christian martyr from the conversion period, while the influence of Paganism on Christianity in Ireland is considerable.
https://irishhistorypodcast.ie/saint...-christianity/Quote:
Was Ireland unique?
The survival of such overt pagan rituals into the later medieval period was unusual when compared with continental Europe. Although continental Christianity had suffered a temporary setback when the Western Roman Empire declined it soon spread back across Europe in the 6th century. These conversions seem to have been less comprising with Paganism, however its should be noted continental Europe and Britain had been Christianised by the Romans so missionaries could draw on older Christian traditions not present in Ireland.
So the Irish incorporated a lot of their Pagan practices into their form of Christianity which is why there wasn't the conflict that occurred in some other parts of Europe. They also were indirectly converted to Christianity rather than through Roman like other parts of Europe allowing them to have their own unique version of Christianity which retained a lot of paganism.
You talkin' to me? :coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
Just noticed it, never mind. Most of the names/pictures used on this site are misleading or inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by LePrieur
The Anglo-Saxon helmet is that of Raedwald of East Anglia, as opposed to some continental Saxon.
You can contact them direct and let them know they are wrong. They had some incorrect ydna designations and other inaccuracies and when I informed them they made changes and were thankful I contacted them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
Maybe I'll do that, in all caps too. Being wrong on the internet is a serious crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
Be diplomatic. You get far more cooperation with diplomacy. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
It might have something to do with the belief system of Celtic paganism vs Anglo-Saxon paganism. Celtic traditions may have been more amenable to Christianity. It is true that paganism was incorporated into early Christianity in Ireland, the Sheela na gig is a good example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
I think it is most likely due to several factors. The Irish still kept a lot of the pagan beliefs and incorporated them into their form of Christianity so it most likely wasn't a quick process anyway. They also were fairly isolated and didn't have direct Roman contact so just went their own way which is why the Celtic Church was different than what was on the continent. It's actually an interesting subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daco Celtic
The website is run by Polaks. I'll take care of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
Yeah, I noticed that as well, but it's only been theorized to be his helmet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
their predictor for modern populations is pure garbage.
1. German_Central (6.651)
2. North_Swedish (9.192)
3. Southwest_Finnish (9.305)
4. Finnish (9.668)
5. East_German (10.21)
6. Hungarian (10.92)
7. Swedish (12.25)
8. Czech (13.28)
Im closer to central germans than I am to czechs and east germans? pure nonsense, ive never seen one calculator that has given me similar results.
on my custom eurogenes k13 oracle you are closest to Czech average. Slovakian1 sample is your father.Quote:
Originally Posted by АКСИС
k13(c(36.08,38.31,11.79,1.45,8.05,0.29,0.95,0.66,0 ,1.19,0.57,0.61,0.06),k=40)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Czech" "5.5957"
[2,] "Slovakian1" "6.1293"
[3,] "East_German" "8.5927"
[4,] "South_Polish" "8.7061"
[5,] "Hungarian_Budapest1" "9.5761"
[6,] "Hungarian" "10.0364"
[7,] "Slovenian" "10.7431"
[8,] "Austrian" "10.8352"
[9,] "Polish" "11.0152"
[10,] "Southwest_Finnish" "11.2391"
[11,] "Ukrainian" "11.2608"
[12,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "11.5367"
[13,] "Croatian" "11.7046"
[14,] "North_Swedish" "12.4174"
[15,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1" "13.233"
[16,] "Cossack_Kuban2" "13.3864"
[17,] "Belorussian" "14.3338"
[18,] "Estonian_Polish" "14.6715"
[19,] "Russian_Smolensk" "14.7033"
[20,] "SerbianBosnia" "15.2308"
[21,] "Southwest_Russian" "15.2384"
[22,] "Finnish" "15.6079"
[23,] "Moldavian" "15.7244"
[24,] "Estonian" "15.9941"
[25,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "16.2535"
[26,] "Swedish" "16.5555"
[27,] "North_German" "17.1243"
[28,] "Latvian1" "18.1548"
[29,] "West_German" "18.4717"
[30,] "East_Finnish" "18.5631"
[31,] "Serbian" "18.587"
[32,] "Kargopol_Russian" "18.7334"
[33,] "La_Brana-1" "19.0385"
[34,] "Lithuanian" "19.1658"
[35,] "South_Dutch" "19.2866"
[36,] "Danish" "19.3214"
[37,] "Norwegian" "19.5706"
[38,] "North_Dutch" "19.8197"
[39,] "Southeast_English" "21.409"
[40,] "Orcadian" "21.6954"
Code:k13(c(36.08,38.31,11.79,1.45,8.05,0.29,0.95,0.66,0,1.19,0.57,0.61,0.06),k=150,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "43.2% French + 56.8% Latvian1" "3.6478"
[2,] "63.2% Latvian1 + 36.8% Spanish_Cataluna" "3.8355"
[3,] "62.5% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 37.5% Southeast_English" "3.87"
[4,] "65.2% Latvian1 + 34.8% Spanish_Murcia" "3.8867"
[5,] "71.6% Slovakian1 + 28.4% North_Swedish" "3.9663"
[6,] "64.9% Latvian1 + 35.1% Spanish_Valencia" "4.0164"
[7,] "77.8% Slovakian1 + 22.2% Swedish" "4.073"
[8,] "64% Latvian1 + 36% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "4.1092"
[9,] "80.8% Slovakian1 + 19.2% Norwegian" "4.1192"
[10,] "82.8% Slovakian1 + 17.2% Orcadian" "4.2371"
[11,] "63% Belorussian + 37% French" "4.2469"
[12,] "54.8% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 45.2% Southwest_Finnish" "4.257"
[13,] "63.5% Latvian1 + 36.5% Portuguese" "4.2731"
[14,] "18.8% Danish + 81.2% Slovakian1" "4.2962"
[15,] "82.8% Slovakian1 + 17.2% Southeast_English" "4.3084"
[16,] "84.4% Slovakian1 + 15.6% West_Scottish" "4.3161"
[17,] "81.7% Slovakian1 + 18.3% North_Dutch" "4.3242"
[18,] "65.2% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 34.8% Southwest_English" "4.3278"
[19,] "84.5% Slovakian1 + 15.5% Southwest_English" "4.3701"
[20,] "68% Estonian + 32% Spanish_Valencia" "4.374"
[21,] "15.8% Irish + 84.2% Slovakian1" "4.4016"
[22,] "50.5% Latvian1 + 49.5% West_German" "4.4074"
[23,] "35.6% Estonian + 64.4% Hungarian_Budapest1" "4.4079"
[24,] "72.5% Belorussian + 27.5% Spanish_Aragon" "4.4578"
[25,] "69% Belorussian + 31% Spanish_Cataluna" "4.4676"
[26,] "57.9% Belorussian + 42.1% South_Dutch" "4.497"
[27,] "68.3% Estonian + 31.7% Spanish_Murcia" "4.505"
[28,] "66.4% Estonian + 33.6% Spanish_Cataluna" "4.5475"
[29,] "63.1% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 36.9% Orcadian" "4.5595"
[30,] "56.8% Belorussian + 43.2% West_German" "4.5695"
[31,] "67.1% Latvian1 + 32.9% Spanish_Aragon" "4.5733"
[32,] "44.5% French + 55.5% Lithuanian" "4.591"
[33,] "66.6% Estonian + 33.4% Portuguese" "4.5931"
[34,] "67.6% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 32.4% Latvian1" "4.5937"
[35,] "65.9% Latvian1 + 34.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "4.604"
[36,] "70.7% Belorussian + 29.3% Spanish_Valencia" "4.6527"
[37,] "80.6% Slovakian1 + 19.4% North_German" "4.6725"
[38,] "69.8% Belorussian + 30.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "4.6849"
[39,] "67.2% Estonian + 32.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "4.6943"
[40,] "60.9% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 39.1% North_Dutch" "4.7094"
[41,] "65.3% Latvian1 + 34.7% Spanish_Extremadura" "4.7212"
[42,] "57.4% Estonian_Polish + 42.6% South_Dutch" "4.7346"
[43,] "60.1% Estonian_Polish + 39.9% Southeast_English" "4.7384"
[44,] "51.6% Latvian1 + 48.4% South_Dutch" "4.7538"
[45,] "65.6% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 34.4% West_Scottish" "4.762"
[46,] "60.3% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 39.7% Danish" "4.7695"
[47,] "66.8% Latvian1 + 33.2% Spanish_Andalucia" "4.7958"
[48,] "56.3% Estonian_Polish + 43.7% West_German" "4.8028"
[49,] "62% Lithuanian + 38% Spanish_Cataluna" "4.8117"
[50,] "71% Belorussian + 29% Spanish_Murcia" "4.813"
[51,] "64.3% Austrian + 35.7% Latvian1" "4.8229"
[52,] "71.1% East_German + 28.9% Latvian1" "4.8405"
[53,] "63.3% Latvian1 + 36.7% Spanish_Galicia" "4.8573"
[54,] "70.6% Belorussian + 29.4% Spanish_Cantabria" "4.8906"
[55,] "62.6% Estonian_Polish + 37.4% French" "4.9157"
[56,] "51.4% Slovenian + 48.6% Southwest_Finnish" "4.9194"
[57,] "64.8% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 35.2% Irish" "4.9365"
[58,] "79.4% Czech + 20.6% Southwest_Finnish" "4.9407"
[59,] "63.8% Lithuanian + 36.2% Spanish_Valencia" "4.9435"
[60,] "64.1% Lithuanian + 35.9% Spanish_Murcia" "4.9515"
[61,] "60.8% Belorussian + 39.2% Southeast_English" "4.9543"
[62,] "71.6% Belorussian + 28.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "4.9565"
[63,] "68.4% Estonian + 31.6% Spanish_Extremadura" "4.9571"
[64,] "60.4% Estonian + 39.6% French" "4.9646"
[65,] "81.6% Czech + 18.4% North_Swedish" "4.97"
[66,] "34.2% Belorussian + 65.8% East_German" "4.987"
[67,] "88.1% Czech + 11.9% La_Brana-1" "5.0188"
[68,] "35.6% Finnish + 64.4% Hungarian_Budapest1" "5.0213"
[69,] "62.8% Lithuanian + 37.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "5.0474"
[70,] "74.3% Slovakian1 + 25.7% Southwest_Finnish" "5.05"
[71,] "41.1% SerbianBosnia + 58.9% Southwest_Finnish" "5.0685"
[72,] "7.3% French_Basque + 92.7% Slovakian1" "5.0688"
[73,] "70% Belorussian + 30% Southwest_French" "5.0742"
[74,] "69.9% Estonian + 30.1% Spanish_Andalucia" "5.0903"
[75,] "84.6% Slovakian1 + 15.4% South_Dutch" "5.1045"
[76,] "69.1% Estonian + 30.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "5.126"
[77,] "32.8% East_German + 67.2% Slovakian1" "5.127"
[78,] "66.5% Estonian + 33.5% Spanish_Galicia" "5.143"
[79,] "76.5% Belorussian + 23.5% French_Basque" "5.1519"
[80,] "49% Lithuanian + 51% West_German" "5.1555"
[81,] "69.5% Belorussian + 30.5% Portuguese" "5.1566"
[82,] "65% Latvian1 + 35% Spanish_Cantabria" "5.1652"
[83,] "60.8% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 39.2% Norwegian" "5.1747"
[84,] "57.3% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 42.7% North_German" "5.1893"
[85,] "60.4% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 39.6% South_Dutch" "5.1901"
[86,] "61.4% Austrian + 38.6% Estonian" "5.2365"
[87,] "66% Lithuanian + 34% Spanish_Aragon" "5.2502"
[88,] "69% East_German + 31% Estonian" "5.2543"
[89,] "69.7% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 30.3% Lithuanian" "5.2758"
[90,] "70.3% Estonian + 29.7% Spanish_Aragon" "5.2917"
[91,] "66.9% East_German + 33.1% Estonian_Polish" "5.2919"
[92,] "89.8% Czech + 10.2% Swedish" "5.3043"
[93,] "85.2% Slovakian1 + 14.8% West_German" "5.3046"
[94,] "32.4% Southeast_English + 67.6% Ukrainian" "5.34"
[95,] "68.3% Estonian + 31.7% North_Italian" "5.3422"
[96,] "50.2% Lithuanian + 49.8% South_Dutch" "5.3435"
[97,] "75.1% South_Polish + 24.9% Southeast_English" "5.344"
[98,] "90% Czech + 10% Finnish" "5.3509"
[99,] "62.3% Lithuanian + 37.7% Portuguese" "5.3524"
[100,] "92.1% Czech + 7.9% Norwegian" "5.3549"
[101,] "69.4% Belorussian + 30.6% Spanish_Galicia" "5.3689"
[102,] "58.5% Austrian + 41.5% Belorussian" "5.3748"
[103,] "90.6% Czech + 9.4% Estonian" "5.3749"
[104,] "92% Czech + 8% Latvian1" "5.3887"
[105,] "40.8% Southeast_English + 59.2% Southwest_Russian" "5.3889"
[106,] "92.7% Czech + 7.3% Danish" "5.4037"
[107,] "93.5% Czech + 6.5% Southeast_English" "5.4094"
[108,] "73.4% East_German + 26.6% Lithuanian" "5.4119"
[109,] "93.3% Czech + 6.7% North_Dutch" "5.4241"
[110,] "93.9% Czech + 6.1% Orcadian" "5.429"
[111,] "53.8% Hungarian + 46.2% Southwest_Finnish" "5.4306"
[112,] "68% Czech + 32% Slovakian1" "5.4352"
[113,] "35.5% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 64.5% East_German" "5.4447"
[114,] "72.6% Belorussian + 27.4% Spanish_Andalucia" "5.4565"
[115,] "95% Czech + 5% West_Scottish" "5.4572"
[116,] "54.9% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 45.1% Polish" "5.4585"
[117,] "78.9% Southwest_Finnish + 21.1% Tuscan" "5.4711"
[118,] "95.3% Czech + 4.7% Southwest_English" "5.4756"
[119,] "17.4% Maltese + 82.6% Southwest_Finnish" "5.4831"
[120,] "59.4% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 40.6% West_German" "5.4867"
[121,] "95.4% Czech + 4.6% Irish" "5.4898"
[122,] "68.4% Polish + 31.6% Southeast_English" "5.4913"
[123,] "92% Slovakian1 + 8% Southwest_French" "5.4914"
[124,] "94.4% Czech + 5.6% East_Finnish" "5.4956"
[125,] "29.3% French + 70.7% Polish" "5.5023"
[126,] "10.5% French + 89.5% Slovakian1" "5.5081"
[127,] "94.3% Czech + 5.7% North_German" "5.5105"
[128,] "56.5% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 43.5% Swedish" "5.515"
[129,] "23.6% Albanian + 76.4% Southwest_Finnish" "5.517"
[130,] "66% Polish + 34% South_Dutch" "5.5175"
[131,] "6.5% Belorussian + 93.5% Czech" "5.5186"
[132,] "37.2% Belorussian + 62.8% Hungarian_Budapest1" "5.52"
[133,] "23.2% North_Italian + 76.8% Southwest_Finnish" "5.5222"
[134,] "64.9% Polish + 35.1% West_German" "5.5279"
[135,] "71.3% Belorussian + 28.7% Spanish_Extremadura" "5.5284"
[136,] "26.9% North_Macedonian + 73.1% Southwest_Finnish" "5.537"
[137,] "68.9% Estonian_Polish + 31.1% Spanish_Cataluna" "5.5406"
[138,] "63.1% Estonian_Polish + 36.9% Southwest_English" "5.5418"
[139,] "96% Czech + 4% Lithuanian" "5.544"
[140,] "91.5% Czech + 8.5% Hungarian_Budapest1" "5.5486"
[141,] "93.3% Slovakian1 + 6.7% Spanish_Aragon" "5.5688"
[142,] "64.8% Lithuanian + 35.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "5.5688"
[143,] "96.2% Czech + 3.8% Estonian_Polish" "5.5702"
[144,] "99% Czech + 1% French_Basque" "5.5784"
[145,] "97.8% Czech + 2.2% South_Dutch" "5.5798"
[146,] "97.5% Czech + 2.5% Polish" "5.5904"
[147,] "98.8% Czech + 1.2% West_German" "5.5916"
[148,] "1.6% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 98.4% Czech" "5.5923"
[149,] "99.5% Czech + 0.5% Spanish_Aragon" "5.5924"
[150,] "99.4% Czech + 0.6% Southwest_French" "5.593"
On Anthrogenica in MTA thread this "Bacteria" sample was revealed as pure Central Asian in G25, not supposed long lost Alexander the Great warrior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
They must read it apparently...
I remember some time ago every Balkanite has it as one of the top in MTA:) Check better free vbnetkhio's K36 Ancient oracle or PCA...
I would be surprised if they thought it was pure Central Asian in the first place. The sample was pure Greek with 0 Central Asian. But why does that mean they would remove it? It was still a Greco-Bactrian. Greco-Bactrians aren't Bactrians, they're not supposed to be Central Asian genetically. I guess that the sample's name caused too much confusion. People for whatever reason assumed it should CA genetics, so it was probably not a bad decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
My ancient PCA. Any idea on the Medieval Winchester Chapel Leper? Closest to me.
https://i.ibb.co/y6Yhmcq/ancient-pca.pngdice faces
Winchester Leper was a person that died of leprosy. Remains were found in Winchester, at a place which is thought to be a old anglo-saxon chapel:
http://medievalnews.blogspot.com/201...iscovered.htmlQuote:
Anglo-Saxon Leper Hospital discovered in Winchester
The University of Winchester’s archaeological excavations at St Mary Magdalen, on the outskirts of Winchester, have revealed evidence for what may be Britain’s earliest known hospital. Recent radio carbon analysis at the former Leper Hospital has provided a date range of AD 960-1030 for a series of burials, many exhibiting evidence of leprosy, on the site. A number of artefacts, pits, postholes also relate to this phase including what appears to be a large sunken structure underneath the medieval infirmary as well as evidence for an earlier building, now thought to be an Anglo-Saxon chapel.
He was a pilgrim though. Not originally from Britain. I match with him also, therefore I think he was from the east.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vojnik
Maybe a Byzantine bible freak
You already had a boy and he's a doctor?Quote:
Originally Posted by nittionia
Yeah I assumed he was eastern.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Chief
Ya so proud of my boy tbh :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Thanks for running my results through, yes Im always clustering closest to czechs, slovaks, and east germans. I cant even find another calculator where i cluster next to central germans on anything. Do you not have any other slovak samples? i can send some kits to you if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemgrant
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dkeV2cvK2...0/Etrusco.JPEG
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
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26. Vascones Tribe (460 BC) ..... 14.14 - I12879 - (Click for more info)
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27. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 14.25 - I12208 - (Click for more info)
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28. Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury (2300 BC) ..... 14.27 - I2416-BB - (Click for more info)
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29. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.28 - scy197b - ? (Click for more info)
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30. Vascones Tribe Vasconia (280 BC) ..... 14.42 - I3759 - (Click for more info)
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31. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.55 - I12514 - (Click for more info)
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32. Rugii Tribe Oder-Vistula (135 AD) ..... 14.55 - PCA36 - ? (Click for more info)
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33. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 14.59 - I2649 (Click for more info)
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34. Vascones Tribe Vasconia (280 BC) ..... 14.59 - I3758 - (Click for more info)
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35. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.61 - SI-40 - (Click for more info)
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36. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.62 - I7498 - (Click for more info)
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37. Roman Era Girona (80 AD) ..... 14.63 - I8339 - (Click for more info)
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38. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.64 - I12515 - (Click for more info)
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39. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 14.67 - MJ12 - (Click for more info)
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40. Basque Carolingian (650 AD) ..... 14.73 - I3777 - (Click for more info)
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41. Ilergetes Outlier Catalan (440 BC) ..... 14.75 - I12410 - (Click for more info)
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42. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 14.78 - I2472 - (Click for more info)
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43. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.87 - scy305 - (Click for more info)
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44. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PC (400 BC) ..... 15.05 - R435 - (Click for more info)
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45. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.08 - scy192 - (Click for more info)
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46. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.24 - OBS137 - ? (Click for more info)
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47. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 15.36 - I2515 (Click for more info)
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48. Vasconic Tribe (275 BC) ..... 15.38 - I8209 - (Click for more info)
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49. Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate (950 AD) ..... 15.54 - I7497 - (Click for more info)
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50. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.66 - scy311 - (Click for more info)
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51. Vasconic Tribe Empuries (275 BC) ..... 15.68 - I8214 - (Click for more info)
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52. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) ..... 15.71 - I2478 - (Click for more info)
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53. Basque Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 15.77 - I7673 - (Click for more info)
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54. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 15.95 - I12516 - (Click for more info)
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55. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.03 - I12644 - (Click for more info)
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56. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse (1348 AD) ..... 16.23 - SLC1006 - ? (Click for more info)
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57. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 16.23 - VAD001 - (Click for more info)
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58. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 16.35 - LM_306_T - (Click for more info)
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59. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 16.42 - I4332 - (Click for more info)
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60. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 16.42 - I5769 - (Click for more info)
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61. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) ..... 16.45 - I3982 - (Click for more info)
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62. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.49 - I2644 (Click for more info)
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63. Ostrogoth Mix (495 AD) ..... 16.5 - AEH_1 - ? (Click for more info)
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64. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 16.58 - I7425 - (Click for more info)
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65. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 16.6 - I3493 - (Click for more info)
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66. Iron Age Catalan (680 BC) ..... 16.61 - I12641 - (Click for more info)
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67. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (280 BC) ..... 16.67 - I3327 - (Click for more info)
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68. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 16.7 - I2514 (Click for more info)
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69. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 16.78 - scy304 - (Click for more info)
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70. Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia (1200 AD) ..... 16.9 - I7457 - (Click for more info)
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71. Ilercavones Catalan (200 BC) ..... 17.01 - I3321 - (Click for more info)
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72. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 17.02 - SZ45 - (Click for more info)
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73. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) ..... 17.17 - BIM33 (Click for more info)
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74. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (440 BC) ..... 17.36 - I12877 - (Click for more info)
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75. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 17.38 - CL47 - ? (Click for more info)
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76. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen (950 AD) ..... 17.48 - KT09 - ? (Click for more info)
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77. Pre-Roman Girona (280 BC) ..... 17.5 - I3324 - (Click for more info)
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78. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 17.51 - R851 - (Click for more info)
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79. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 17.58 - I3981 - (Click for more info)
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80. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 17.6 - I1840 - (Click for more info)
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81. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 17.64 - OBS116 - ? (Click for more info)
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82. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 17.66 - VAD005 - (Click for more info)
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83. Celtibertian Mix (275 BC) ..... 17.78 - I8203 - (Click for more info)
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84. Nordic Central Lombard (670 AD) ..... 17.94 - CL63 - ? (Click for more info)
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85. Czech Velke Prilepy (2050 BC) ..... 18.08 - Rise577 - (Click for more info)
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86. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 18.18 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info)
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87. Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 18.36 - I7675 - (Click for more info)
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88. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 18.47 - VO10207 (Click for more info)
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89. Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 18.52 - DA195 - (Click for more info)
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90. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 18.56 - GTE-A1 - (Click for more info)
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91. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) ..... 18.89 - DA111 - (Click for more info)
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92. Pre-Indo European Tribe (1440 BC) ..... 18.92 - I2471 - (Click for more info)
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93. Iron Age Catalan (650 BC) ..... 18.96 - I3776 - (Click for more info)
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94. Pre-Indo European Tribe (1440 BC) ..... 19.01 - I2470 - (Click for more info)
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95. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.12 - I12647 - (Click for more info)
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96. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 19.38 - DA199 - (Click for more info)
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97. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 19.58 - 6DRIF-22 - (Click for more info)
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98. Visigoth Frankish Girona (550 AD) ..... 19.59 - I12032 - (Click for more info)
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99. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 19.78 - VAD004 - (Click for more info)
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100. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.79 - I2647 (Click for more info)
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Double
Now they have “French revolutionary” samples. Looks like they’re all females though
Le Mans Revolutionary France
mtDNA Haplogroup: K1c1
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain
Genetic Distance: 24.070
Sample Match! 38% closer than others users
Thanks for the Info :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
https://i.ibb.co/9WwVG8L/revo.jpg
Triple
Updated rsults for my parents:
Mother:
Viking Danish + Frank (4.471)
Viking Danish + Visigoth (5.4)
Frank (7.197)
Viking Danish (8.95)
Visigoth (10.19)
1. South_Dutch (6.057)
2. East_German (7.460)
3. North_German (8.082)
4. French (9.744)
5. West_German (9.796)
6. Austrian (10.02)
7. German_Central (10.65)
8. Southwest_English (10.83)
Father
Safavid (10.02)
Hellenic Roman + Safavid (13.18)
Pontic + Safavid (13.31)
1. Azeri (7.627)
2. Turk (7.641)
3. Kurdish (8.250)
4. Iranian (8.648)
5. Turkish (11.10)
6. Azeri (11.46)
7. Greek_Azov (12.32)
8. Cirkassian (13.14)
My new update: French Revolutionaries
Le Mans Revolutionary France
LM_306_T (1793 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: H46
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain
Genetic Distance: 9.9574
Sample Match! 93% closer than others users
This samples ancient group
Celt + Frank (5.654)
Saxon + Frank (5.732)
Celt (9.221)
Saxon (9.32)
Frank (10.05)
This samples modern group
1. Southwest_English (9.755)
2. French (10.41)
3. South_Dutch (10.43)
4. Welsh (10.75)
5. Southeast_English (11.42)
6. Irish (12.32)
7. West_Scottish (13.44)
8. North_German (13.48)
Similar samples
Rugii Tribe Oder-Vistula (135 AD) (6.753)
Czech Velke Prilepy (2050 BC) (7.272)
Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (7.772)
Western Scythian Hungary (550 BC) (7.975)
Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (8.374)
Seleucid + Sarmatian (11.94)
1. Cimmerian Odessa (900 BC) ..... 18.47 - cim358 -
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3. Early Sarmatian Russia (300 BC) ..... 19.6 - I0247
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6. Iron Age NW China (200 BC) ..... 20.86 - SRZ_M4
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7. Hellenic Ottoman (1500 AD) ..... 21.34 - MA2196
Top99% match vs all users12. Iron Age Sarmatian (350 BC) ..... 22.58
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14. Greco-Bactrian Tajikistan (50 BC) ..... 22.98 - I12293
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15. Kushan Ksirov Tajikistan (20 BC) ..... 23.14 - I12294
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17. Hunnic Tian Shan (475 AD) ..... 23.85 - DA65
Top99% match vs all users21. Hunnic Tien Shan (180 AD) ..... 24.27Top
99% match vs all users27. Iron Age Sarmatian (20 BC) ..... 25.47
Top99% match vs all users35. Turkic (768 AD) ..... 26.31
Top99% match vs all users48. Turkic (685 AD) ..... 27.43
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98% match vs all users55. Kimak Turkic Tribe (800 AD) ..... 27.67Top
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57. Eneolithic Steppes (4200 BC) ..... 27.91 - PG2004
Top99% match vs all users60. Cimmerian Moldova (900 BC) ..... 28.19
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I have match with two of them new baguette boys, pretty far distance tho. :D
All the Gallic/Celtic element is completely gone for my mother :(
Did it happen to someone else?
You got one of the Kilteasheen samples (at a large distance but still one of them showed up). I did not get any of the Kilteasheen samples with any of my kits. The samples are from Roscommon which is were my father is from so I was surprised I did not get one of these samples in my list. I asked MTA about the sample and this was their reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallop
The samples are from this paper:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-28091-9
The 3 samples we added are from a graveyard with bodies dating 600 to 1300 AD and have a closest link to modern Irish - but with some distance. They seem much closer to ancient samples which makes one suspect modern Irish have changed since. This could be due to Viking invasions or some other migrations. These samples were pulled as part of a control experiment of people over many centuries from the same graveyard making it tricky to pinpoint an exact date or background. There have been numerous digs in this area but they have focused on say black death victims. Hope this helps!
76. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen (950 AD) ..... 17.48 - KT09Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
mtDNA: K1a4a1
Celt + Frank (12.58)
Celt (12.92)
Viking Danish + Celt (13.06)
Frank (15.94)
Viking Danish (15.98)
Similar Samples
Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.06)
Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen (950 AD) (11.3)
Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) (11.31)
Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (11.63)
Early Bronze Age Plymouth (1840 BC) (11.75)
Modern Group
1. South_Dutch (14.12)
2. French (15.36)
3. Southwest_English (15.44)
4. Southeast_English (15.76)
5. Southwest_French (16.56)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (16.86)
7. Irish (16.92)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (16.98)
In ftdna I got these matches:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TFNFv6__1...namatchdna.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0CZuT8JYL...hdnafamily.jpg
This is someone from Fermanagh is relatively close to where your father is and found the remains.
I also have a match with someone from Scotland I came to know that they are from U.S.A. and they are very rich people, but they have hidden data, which I don't understand because it hinders research for others.
Bell Beaker
More recent analyses of the "Beaker phenomenon", published since the 2000s, have persisted in describing the origin of the "Beaker phenomenon" as arising from a synthesis of elements, representing "an idea and style uniting different regions with different cultural traditions and background."Archaeogenetics studies of the 2010s have been able to resolve the "migrationist vs. diffusionist" question to some extent. The study by Olalde et al. (2017) found only "limited genetic affinity" between individuals associated with the Beaker complex in Iberia and in Central Europe, suggesting that migration played a limited role in its early spread. However, the same study found that the further dissemination of the mature Beaker complex was very strongly linked to migration. This is true especially for Britain, where the spread of the Beaker culture introduced high levels of steppe-related ancestry, resulting in a near-complete transformation of the local gene pool within a few centuries, to the point of replacement of about 90% of the local Mesolithic-derived lineages.
Migration vs. acculturation
Given the unusual form and fabric of Beaker pottery, and its abrupt appearance in the archaeological record, along with a characteristic group of other artefacts, known as the Bell Beaker "package", the explanation for the Beaker culture until the last decades of the 20th century was to interpret it as the migration of one group of people across Europe. However, British and American archaeology since the 1960s had been sceptical about prehistoric migration in general, so the idea of "Bell Beaker Folk" lost ground, although recent genetic findings lend renewed support to the migratory hypothesis. A theory of cultural contact de-emphasizing population movement was presented by Colin Burgess and Stephen Shennan in the mid-1970s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaker_culture
My results Bell Beaker and related.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZX058HvZ0...lospOLAND.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EZ3eVYnhp...losITALIA.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sZ9YFqS-z...KERcarlos.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kJVMbfId5...ceBOheMIA.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JtDUgR8aO...NDdenmark.JPEG
The Kilteasheen samples are bad quality I've heard from someone in the know. Will have to wait until the Cassidy paper to get some more Irish samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallop
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
It is the question of old samples. Based on 100 examples, he knows that some enter and others leave, but those who leave are not seen on the list but remain. On other occasions he had already obtained results with the British Isles: Bell Beaker England, Bell Beaker Scotland, Saxon Settler Viking, Iceland Briton Gladiator are distances of 20, 23 and have been disappearing from the list as they entered other samples from which he obtained Closer results, we don't know what would happen if the samples were better. Actually when I started in all this I did not know what could come or expected anything, I imagine that as anyone, you really only hope to see what appears and then you learn.
How are people getting these updates? I refreshed mine like 2 times and none of the new added samples are listed.