Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

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Originally Posted by MrGene

CHG & Iran Neolithic are close. On any PCA chart, they cluster very closely. That's the connection between modern Kurds & Caucasian groups. Modern Kurds are mostly descended from Iran Chalcolithic, which in itself is heavily CHG derived (More so than its Iran N input). On any modern calculator, ancient Iran Chalcolithic sample clusters closest with Caucasian people like Georgians & Circassians. But try telling the idiots on Reddit that. Especially the brain-dead Turkic nationalists who claim to have more CHG input than Kurds, when they're in fact way more Anatolia & Levant driven in origin. They're much less Caucasian shifted than Kurds or Iranians. I'm personally a Zaza Kurd, and I'm almost 50% Caucasian on Dodecad K12b. Even when modelling my profile on Vahaduo I still cluster like almost 60% with the Georgian sample using the 'multi' feature when measuring my regional genetic input using modern samples.

So yes, Kurds have strong connection to CHG. Possibly stronger than some people which inhabit the Caucasus region today. I believe Azeris are much less CHG shifted than Kurds are for instance (Since they have more of an Anatolian/ Levant + minor Turkic shift).

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Kurds are even by far more shifted toward CHG/Iran_ChL than the Armenians, since the Armenians are more shifted toward Anatolia. Modern autosomal admixtures in Kurds are mostly derived from CHG and not Iran_Neo.

Dodecad k12b admix results don't lie.


Of course Kurds are by far much more Caucasian/Caucasoid that the Turks. Turks are not even Caucasoid people at all.
Turks are very, very different species from us, with very different origin/roots. We can be 100% certain about that. Turks are partly Mongoloid (Eastern Eurasian) and Anatolian, while Kurds are FULLY Western Eurasian, Caucaso-Iranian people. Turks are speakers of a Mongoloid language, while Kurds are speakers of a Western Iranic (Indo-European) language.


Turks have an Altaic (Mongoloid) origin, while Kurds have an Aryan origin.

Azerbaijani who's maternal grandmother is Kazan Tatar. I don't know much about Kazan Tatars, but some people say that Tatar side might be mixed with Russian due to relatively low mongoloid.

https://i.imgur.com/uMJ3hGi.jpg

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Originally Posted by MrGene

Selam gardas. Do you have any other Azerbaijan kit ID's/ results? Like any Udi/ Uti kits for example? Would you mind sharing some with me?

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Here is an Udi (from Azerbaijan) result. I think this has been posted before:
https://i.imgur.com/rBfcyjm.png

As for the Azerbaijanis, this forum is chock full of them:) mainly thanks to Kyp, myself and sometimes Leto. We post Azeri results all the time. Here is Azeri from Mianeh, Iran (probably can be interesting to a Kurd) that Kyp posted a while ago:

Gedrosian: 21.13
Siberian: 2.86
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.66
Atlantic_Med: 7.66
North_European: 11.02
South_Asian 4.14
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.90
East_Asian: 3.36
Caucasian: 37.05
SSA: 0.21

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Originally Posted by Guti

Kurds are even by far more shifted toward CHG/Iran_ChL than the Armenians, since the Armenians are more shifted toward Anatolia. Modern autosomal admixtures in Kurds are mostly derived from CHG and not Iran_Neo.

Dodecad k12b admix results don't lie.


Of course Kurds are by far much more Caucasian/Caucasoid that the Turks. Turks are not even Caucasoid people at all.
Turks are very, very different species from us, with very different origin/roots. We can be 100% certain about that. Turks are partly Mongoloid (Eastern Eurasian) and Anatolian, while Kurds are FULLY Western Eurasian, Caucaso-Iranian people. Turks are speakers of a Mongoloid language, while Kurds are speakers of a Western Iranic (Indo-European) language.


Turks have an Altaic (Mongoloid) origin, while Kurds have an Aryan origin.

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Well turks are oghuz specifically, not mongolian lol

I don't know who exactly those Oghuz Turks were, but they were clearly not Caucasian/Caucasoid CHG/Irn_ChL aka Caucaso-Gedrosia people. Turkic peole are known to have a Altay-Sayan origin.


When you study the Dodecad results it looks like that CHG/Irn_ChL were high on the Caucasus and Gedrosia admixtures at the same time.
In CHG Kotias and CHG Satsurblia samples, both Caucasus & Gedrosia are high. In Trialeti (Caucasus_EMBA) samples both Caucasus & Gedrosia components are high. In modern Caucasus people such as Lezgins, both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are high.
Even in my own results both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are the most prominent components.

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Originally Posted by Guti

When you study the Dodecad results it looks like that CHG/Irn_ChL were high on the Caucasus and Gedrosia admixtures at the same time.
In CHG Kotias and CHG Satsurblia samples, both Caucasus & Gedrosia are high. In Trialeti (Caucasus_EMBA) samples both Caucasus & Gedrosia components are high. In modern Caucasus people such as Lezgins, both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are high.
Even in my own results both Caucasus and Gedrosia components are the most prominent components.

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As you can see I am both high in 'Caucasus & Gedrosia' components. When you compare my 'Caucaso-Gedrosia' ratio to the ancient CHG folks you can conclude that I am around 73% similar to them.
My other 27% comes most likely from Anatolia/Western Mesopotamia.

My own
https://i.postimg.cc/d1Tnrh1G/Guti.jpg

vs.

M603839 M551062 Kotias CHG
https://i.postimg.cc/05FTytjZ/Kotias.jpg

The result of Turk from Western İzmir is interesting in that this result is not similar to the results of other İzmir natives, because its indigenous heritage is like the mainland Greek, which shows us that especially western İzmir Greeks settled in Anatolia again in the 17th century.

Gedrosian: 12.1
Siberian: 5.64
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 0.49
Atlantic_Med: 19.85
North_European: 16.34
South_Asian: 0.96
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.14
East_Asian: 4.27
Caucasian: 29.62
Sub_Saharan: 1.58

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Originally Posted by orhanaa

The result of Turk from Western İzmir is interesting in that this result is not similar to the results of other İzmir natives, because its indigenous heritage is like the mainland Greek, which shows us that especially western İzmir Greeks settled in Anatolia again in the 17th century.

Gedrosian: 12.1
Siberian: 5.64
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 0.49
Atlantic_Med: 19.85
North_European: 16.34
South_Asian: 0.96
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.14
East_Asian: 4.27
Caucasian: 29.62
Sub_Saharan: 1.58

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island parts of izmir probably modelled something like oghuz + mainlander greek. this result from urla, right?

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Originally Posted by placebo

island parts of izmir probably modelled something like oghuz + mainlander greek. this result from urla, right?

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1 57.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.42
2 56% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 44% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.72
3 59.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 40.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.73
4 67.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 32.1% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.95
5 66% Greek (Dodecad) + 34% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.97
6 64.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 35.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6
7 52.9% Tuscan (HGDP) + 47.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.06
8 73.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 26.5% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.14
9 65.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 34.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.17
10 68.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 31.3% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.17
11 51.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 48.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.23
12 64.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.24
13 65.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.27
14 66.8% Turks (Behar) + 33.2% French (Dodecad) @ 6.37
15 70.5% Turks (Behar) + 29.5% British (Dodecad) @ 6.44
16 67.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 32.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.48
17 70.3% Turks (Behar) + 29.7% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 6.48
18 66.8% Turks (Behar) + 33.2% French (HGDP) @ 6.48
19 71.1% Turks (Behar) + 28.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 6.55
20 71.2% Turks (Behar) + 28.8% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 6.59

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Originally Posted by placebo

island parts of izmir probably modelled something like oghuz + mainlander greek. this result from urla, right?

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yes urla peninsula

The Turkish result obtained from Trabzon Akcaabat and Çarşıbaşı districts is an Alevi Turkish village according to Alevi historical data.

Gedrosian: 15.83
Siberian: 3.83
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 11.87
North_European: 10.55
South_Asian: 0.12
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 8.74
East_Asian: 6.64
Caucasian: 42.37
Sub_Saharan: -

mother Ghanaian ,father Turkish (gaziantep/turkey) y-dna : N-L665 (part of her past may be Abdal)

Gedrosian: 12.99
Siberian: 0.27
Northwest_African: 3.19
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: -
North_European: 1.57
South_Asian: 8.54
East_African: 3.31
Southwest_Asian: 3.57
East_Asian: 4.33
Caucasian: 15.75
Sub_Saharan: 46.47

North Ossetian (1) & Chechen (2) results

Gedrosia 19.86 Pct
Siberian 5.12 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.44 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.38 Pct
North_European 18.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.3 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.79 Pct
East_Asian 2.96 Pct
Caucasus 45.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Diana
2.55988281 Karachay
3.32261945 Ossetian
3.35080587 Balkar
3.75945475 Circassian
3.84053382 Adyghe
4.13527508 Ingush
4.36650890 Abazin
6.02110455 Chechen
6.17511134 Kabardin
6.68949176 Ossetian_South
6.90474475 Kumyk
10.96976299 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.17372581 Tabasaran
12.22078966 Abkhazian
12.68469550 Lak
12.83960669 Lezgin
13.53973412 Dargin_Kubachi
14.34549058 Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti
14.65219096 Avar
14.65972715 Dargin_Kaitag

Distance to: Diana
1.60189290 12.40% Bashkir_Central + 87.60% Ossetian_South
1.65248310 12.20% Bashkir_South + 87.80% Ossetian_South
1.69025464 89.20% Ossetian_South + 10.80% Udmurt
1.84375545 10.60% Mari + 89.40% Ossetian_South
1.88387522 11.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 88.40% Ossetian_South
1.89835959 89.80% Ossetian_South + 10.20% Tatar_Zabolotniye
1.95398641 12.20% Bashkir_North + 87.80% Ossetian_South
2.04646244 88.40% Ossetian_South + 11.60% Tatar_Siberia
2.05849793 95.60% Ossetian + 4.40% Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.07529915 4.40% Altaian_Chelkan + 95.60% Ossetian
2.10200767 91.40% Ossetian + 8.60% Tajik_Lowland
2.10922691 95.80% Ossetian + 4.20% Shor
2.13190741 11.00% Chuvash + 89.00% Ossetian_South
2.13886053 95.60% Ossetian + 4.40% Tubalar
2.14883968 3.80% Khanty + 96.20% Ossetian
2.16434067 93.40% Ossetian + 6.60% Pamiri_Wakhan
2.17066401 91.60% Ossetian + 8.40% Tajik_Mountain
2.19583052 27.20% Ingush + 72.80% Karachay
2.20173221 93.00% Ossetian + 7.00% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.20248627 5.00% Bashkir_South + 95.00% Ossetian

Target: Diana
Distance: 1.9191% / 1.91912019 | ADC: 0.5x RC
62.6 Karachay
23.1 Ingush
14.3 Ossetian_South


Gedrosia 22.18 Pct
Siberian 2.2 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.95 Pct
North_European 20.18 Pct
South_Asian 1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.27 Pct
East_Asian 1.94 Pct
Caucasus 43.12 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.15 Pct

Distance to: Amira
1.93233020 Chechen
2.81682445 Ingush
3.83925774 Kumyk
5.44968806 Balkar
5.69116860 Karachay
6.13746690 Adyghe
6.24361274 Circassian
6.25061597 Kabardin
6.46505994 Abazin
7.02757426 Ossetian
7.41931264 Tabasaran
8.27672036 Lak
8.34772424 Lezgin
8.92646066 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.14474713 Dargin_Kubachi
10.07795118 Ossetian_South
10.23694779 Avar
10.31730585 Dargin_Kaitag
11.43656854 Dargin
14.80836926 Azerbaijani_Republic

Distance to: Amira
1.03763255 51.40% Ossetian + 48.60% Tabasaran
1.21270779 54.80% Adyghe + 45.20% Tabasaran
1.21734752 65.40% Adyghe + 34.60% Dargin
1.30678353 62.80% Adyghe + 37.20% Avar
1.33560627 57.60% Adyghe + 42.40% Lak
1.35447425 60.20% Adyghe + 39.80% Dargin_Kubachi
1.47883183 93.20% Chechen + 6.80% Turk_Central_East
1.48126977 93.20% Chechen + 6.80% Turk_Central_Black_Sea
1.49818450 95.40% Chechen + 4.60% Greek_Cappadocia
1.50818904 7.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 92.60% Chechen
1.52201607 66.60% Chechen + 33.40% Ingush
1.52241837 93.40% Chechen + 6.60% Turk_East
1.52638707 93.80% Chechen + 6.20% Turk_Central_West
1.54232209 83.80% Chechen + 16.20% Circassian
1.55052378 95.00% Chechen + 5.00% Turk_East_Black_Sea
1.55120952 96.40% Chechen + 3.60% Greek_Cypriot
1.55546213 93.80% Chechen + 6.20% Turk_South
1.56593599 96.00% Chechen + 4.00% Greek_Rhodes
1.56673942 94.00% Chechen + 6.00% Turk_West_Black_Sea
1.56830841 95.80% Chechen + 4.20% Turk_Cyprus

Target: Amira
Distance: 1.3440% / 1.34404637 | ADC: 0.5x RC
53.9 Chechen
29.5 Ingush
16.6 Kumyk

Turkish result from Drama city in Greece

Gedrosian: 9.18
Siberian: 3.37
Northwest_African: 1.02
Southeast_Asian: 1.3
Atlantic_Med: 23.15
North_European: 22.81
South_Asian: 1.08
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 8.38
East_Asian: 1.65
Caucasian: 28.06
Sub_Saharan: -

Kurd from Khoy in West Azerbaijan province in Iran:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...an-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosian: 22.80
Siberian: 3.34
Northwest_African: 0.47
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.64
North_European: 8.41
South_Asian 1.59
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.84
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.96
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Kurd_Khoy
3.16450628 Dersim
3.61015235 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.13340054 Azerbaijani_Republic
4.71709656 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.72841411 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.27081588 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
5.47254054 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.76357528 Yazidi_Kurd
5.81999141 Kurd_Kordestan
5.90322793 Tat_Azerbaijan
6.36018082 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.62361684 Azerbaijani_North
6.63465146 Kurd_Kermanshah
6.72142098 Turkmen_Iraq
6.78894690 Turk_Southeast
6.81869489 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.93488284 Kurd_Sorani
7.24473602 Turk_East
7.44258692 Iranian_Isfahan
8.20178029 Kurd_Feyli
8.26241490 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.43873213 Iranian_Lur
8.65665640 Iranian_Central
8.73383650 Turk_Central_East
8.92538515 Iranian_Zoroastrian

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Kurd from Khoy in West Azerbaijan province in Iran:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...an-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosian: 22.80
Siberian: 3.34
Northwest_African: 0.47
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.64
North_European: 8.41
South_Asian 1.59
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.84
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.96
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Kurd_Khoy
3.16450628 Dersim
3.61015235 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.13340054 Azerbaijani_Republic
4.71709656 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.72841411 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.27081588 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
5.47254054 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.76357528 Yazidi_Kurd
5.81999141 Kurd_Kordestan
5.90322793 Tat_Azerbaijan
6.36018082 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.62361684 Azerbaijani_North
6.63465146 Kurd_Kermanshah
6.72142098 Turkmen_Iraq
6.78894690 Turk_Southeast
6.81869489 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.93488284 Kurd_Sorani
7.24473602 Turk_East
7.44258692 Iranian_Isfahan
8.20178029 Kurd_Feyli
8.26241490 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.43873213 Iranian_Lur
8.65665640 Iranian_Central
8.73383650 Turk_Central_East
8.92538515 Iranian_Zoroastrian

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The average of Azerbaijan_Tat in Dodecad k12b:

Tat_Azerbaijan,22.23,2.19,0.72,0.23,6.73,12.21,3.0 7,0.09,10.53,1.31,40.08,0.39(n=4)

The credit goes to the person who calculated it in Azerbaijan-Turkic DNA Facebook group
Attachment 114735

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Originally Posted by turan4

The average of Azerbaijan_Tat in Dodecad k12b:

Tat_Azerbaijan,22.23,2.19,0.72,0.23,6.73,12.21,3.0 7,0.09,10.53,1.31,40.08,0.39(n=4)

The credit goes to the person who calculated it in Azerbaijan-Turkic DNA Facebook group
Attachment 114735

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Are they one family? Like parents, siblings, first cousins, etc. Nonetheless it's remarkable how much North European they are. More Aryan than most of the other Western Iranics.

None of the people have any known blood relation with each other. Each of them is actually from a different district of Azerbaijan. I think it makes sense that tats are more northern shifted than most of the other Western Iranics since they live in the north (North-eastern districts of Azerbaijan)

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Originally Posted by turan4

None of the people have any known blood relation with each other. Each of them is actually from a different district of Azerbaijan. I think it makes sense that tats are more northern shifted than most of the other Western Iranics since they live in the north (North-eastern districts of Azerbaijan)

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Do you know how much Tats of Azerbaijan (as Northwestern Iranic speakers) are mixed with the ethnic Azeri (as Turkic speakers).
Because those Tats in your example have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry.

Great. I will add it to the spreadsheet. Don't think there will be many more Tat samples in the future.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Kurd from Khoy in West Azerbaijan province in Iran:


Gedrosian: 22.80
Siberian: 3.34
Northwest_African: 0.47
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.64
North_European: 8.41
South_Asian 1.59
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.84
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.96
SSA: 0.00

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I think this Kurd has some extra Azeri-Persian ancestry. His 'Gedrosia' is on a lower side for a Kurd from Eastern Kurdistan. That person has also some 'Siberian' in him/her which is a clear indication of mixture

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Originally Posted by Guti

Do you know how much Tats of Azerbaijan (as Northwestern Iranic speakers) are mixed with the ethnic Azeri (as Turkic speakers).
Because those Tats in your example have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry.

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All 4 people (one of them is my result) don't have any known Azeri mixture. One of the samples is from Lahij which is well known small mountainous town with a rich history. But talysh people from Azerbaijan have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry, too. So, I guess there has been a lot of mixing in Azerbaijan in the past. Besides, some North Caucasians have as much as Eastern Asian ancestry as Azerbaijanis. I guess, Eastern Asian ancestry may possibly come from them, too, in addition to Azerbaijanis.

Full Kurds and Persians can score 2-3% East Eurasian too, that's not unusual.

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Originally Posted by turan4

All 4 people (one of them is my result) don't have any known Azeri mixture. One of the samples is from Lahij which is well known small mountainous town with a rich history. But talysh people from Azerbaijan have some elevated Eastern Asian ancestry, too. So, I guess there has been a lot of mixing in Azerbaijan in the past. Besides, some North Caucasians have as much as Eastern Asian ancestry as Azerbaijanis. I guess, Eastern Asian ancestry may possibly come from them, too, in addition to Azerbaijanis.

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Thanks bro. Tats are a very small community and are actually very much persecuted in Azerbaijan. I just wonder how much they are mixed. But you are right, when you move northwards toward Chechnya you will see the increase of Turkic and North European ancestry.

There are up to 1m Talysh/Tat people. The Tat subgroup of Talysh has only 40k souls.
There are even more Ezdi Kurds than Talysh people. And it makes me sad that most of them are assimilated either by the Persians or Azeri people.

They have to survive!


In general Talysh/Tat people are the closest Aryan (Northwestern Iranic) people to Aryan/Northwest Iranic Kurds. We have common ancestry from the Aryan/Northwest Iranic Medes. Talysh people have also some Scythian ancestry. They do plot closer to me than the Persians do. That is why I am very much interested in them.


Tats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdMrtSAdF2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zroy9ehAv8E


Talysh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rinUpsJKCjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvtRDKKrh9k



Are you mixed or a 'pure' Tat if they exist?

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Originally Posted by Leto

Full Kurds and Persians can score 2-3% East Eurasian too, that's not unusual.

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Kurds in Western Kurdistan have some Eastern Asian ancestry. But Kurds in Eastern Kurdistan have more Gedrosia and less Eastern Asian ancestry.

I am originally from those 'northern' Kurdistan areas. And I don't have much of Mongoloid ancestry. That means that Muslim Kurds are a little bit mixed with other Muslim populations.
Nevertheless there was not much mixture between Muslim Kurds and Muslim Azeris, because Muslim Kurds of 'Iran' are mostly Sunni, while Muslim Azeris are mostly Shia.

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Originally Posted by Guti

I think this Kurd has some extra Azeri-Persian ancestry. His 'Gedrosia' is on a lower side for a Kurd from Eastern Kurdistan. That person has also some 'Siberian' in him/her which is a clear indication of mixture

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Possible. Khoy is majority Azeri. And the Kurdish tribes of Maku and Khoy had history in Eastern Anatolia aswell.

But 3.30% EA is not unsusual for Kurds and other Iranians. It's not much more than the average.

Also Khoy is hardly "eastern" Kurdistan. It's a rarer northern region for Kurds.

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Originally Posted by Guti

Kurds in Western Kurdistan have some Eastern Asian ancestry. But Kurds in Eastern Kurdistan have more Gedrosia and less Eastern Asian ancestry.

I am originally from those 'northern' Kurdistan areas. And I don't have much of Mongoloid ancestry. That means that Muslim Kurds are a little bit mixed with other Muslim populations.
Nevertheless there was not much mixture between Muslim Kurds and Muslim Azeris, because Muslim Kurds of 'Iran' are mostly Sunni, while Muslim Azeris are mostly Shia.

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Turkish Kurd actually don't have more East Asian ancestry than Iranian Kurds. So that's false.

There are Shia Kurds in Kermanshah and Khorasan. Also there are turkified Shia Kurdish tribes among Azeris. Notably in Qarabaq in Qaradag and in Eastern Azerbaijan Province.

The Kurds in Khorasan frequently mix with Turks/Azeris aswell.

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Originally Posted by Guti

Thanks bro. Tats are a very small community and are actually very much persecuted in Azerbaijan. I just wonder how much they are mixed. But you are right, when you move northwards toward Chechnya you will see the increase of Turkic and North European ancestry.

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Stop talking out of your ass please. The Tats in Azerbaijan live in the Northeast bordering Dagestan. A region that didnt have much turkic prescence historically. Why should turkic ancestry increase towards Chechnya? The Tats are mixed. However not much with Turks but probably with other peasants and settled people previously living there. The most turkic regions in Azerbaijan Republic are in the Northwest bordering Georgia and Armenia and also in the south bordering Iran. The northeast is the least turkic region among all Azeris.

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There are up to 1m Talysh/Tat people. The Tat subgroup of Talysh has only 40k souls.
There are even more Ezdi Kurds than Talysh people. And it makes me sad that most of them are assimilated either by the Persians or Azeri people.

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Tats are not a subgroup of Talysh. They have completely different origins. The Tats of Azerbaijan speak a dialect of Persian. Talysh speak a northwest iranic language.

Don't mix up Tats of Azerbaijan Rep. (SW-Iranic) with Tats of Iran (NW-Iranic). Tat is an exonym.

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Originally Posted by Guti

Kurds in Western Kurdistan have some Eastern Asian ancestry. But Kurds in Eastern Kurdistan have more Gedrosia and less Eastern Asian ancestry.

I am originally from those 'northern' Kurdistan areas. And I don't have much of Mongoloid ancestry. That means that Muslim Kurds are a little bit mixed with other Muslim populations.
Nevertheless there was not much mixture between Muslim Kurds and Muslim Azeris, because Muslim Kurds of 'Iran' are mostly Sunni, while Muslim Azeris are mostly Shia.

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Figuratively 99% of Kurds are some kind of Muslims. The Yazidis are a vanishingly small population, now largely uprooted by various armed conflicts and political instability in Iraq and Syria. And you can't even become a Yazidi, just like the Druze one has to be born into a Yazidi family in order to count as such. In the West and Russia you people just intermarry and get diluted with time being cut off from the traditional lifestyle.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Possible. Khoy is majority Azeri. And the Kurdish tribes of Maku and Khoy had history in Eastern Anatolia aswell.

But 3.30% EA is not unsusual for Kurds and other Iranians. It's not much more than the average.

Also Khoy is hardly "eastern" Kurdistan. It's a rarer northern region for Kurds.

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Khoy is 'eastern' Kurdistan for sure and it was also a homeland of the Medes. And Kurds are derived from the Medes. So people who are derived from the Medes, like Kurds, have the biggest claims to that region.
Turks can never claim these lands, because Turks are not native to Northwestern Asia anyway.


Btw, there are many different Kurdish clans and tribes in Eastern Kurdistan. One of those tribes is a Donboli tribe. Donboli tribe of Khoy has an Ezdi origin:

The Donboli came from Bokhtan, a Kurdish region between Siirt and Cizre in what is now southeastern Turkey. The first ancestor was a certain Isa Beg, who became in 1378 the ruler of Sokmanabad. His descendant, Sheikh Ahmad Beg, entered service of the Turkmen Aq Quyunlu, and then the family held several posts in Persian administration. According to Sharafkhan Bidlisi, the members of Donboli tribes were Yezidi, but one of their leaders by the name of Isa Beg, together with other families, converted to Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donboli_(tribe)

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Originally Posted by Leto

Figuratively 99% of Kurds are some kind of Muslims. The Yazidis are a vanishingly small population, now largely uprooted by various armed conflicts and political instability in Iraq and Syria. And you can't even become a Yazidi, just like the Druze one has to be born into a Yazidi family in order to count as such. In the West and Russia you people just intermarry and get diluted with time being cut off from the traditional lifestyle.

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If people leave us alone in the 21st century we will survive. There are still more than 1 million Ezdi Kurds, so we even still have a right for our homeland called Ezdixan, and we are working for it as we speak.

Of course Ezdis are mixing with other people around them, but they are a minority. And those who are married to other races are not considered Yezidi anymore.


Some examples in Russia are people like Zara. She has an Ezdi origin, but she was married to a Russian dude. So, she lost her 'Ezdi' identity now and is considered just a Kurd.

Another example of a lost soul is Ksenia Borodina (Ксения Бородина). Her father is an Ezdi from Armenia and her mother Russian. She is a lost cause, assimilated and here genes are gone to a bigger Russian population because she is married to a Russian dude and has kids with him.

https://i.postimg.cc/HL7V2Q7c/image.pnghttps://i.postimg.cc/0QzRmf6F/Ksenia...a3-427x640.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/d1PDSL8W/image.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/RF7qr4dv/image.jpg

I'd write a post about assimilation but let's not flood the thread with too much irrelevant posting. It's already large as a motherfucker.

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Originally Posted by Leto;[URL="tel:7543545"

7543545[/URL]]Full Kurds and Persians can score 2-3% East Eurasian too, that's not unusual.

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Do you seriously think that the Caucasus component references don’t carry E. Eurasian ?? Here are the Caucasus component references from the Dodecad K12 spreadsheet

Dodecad K12 References
Population	Caucasus
Georgians	73.97
Abhkasians	70.00
North_Ossetians	56.70
Balkars	56.60
Adygei	56.54
Chechens	51.30
Turkish	46.40
Kumyks	46.30
Turks	46.25
Lezgins	45.60
Iranian	40.30
Nogais	37.23

Whatever E. Eurasian these references carry a sample scoring 50% Caucasus gets a 50% cut of their E. Eurasian.

Same thing for the Gedrosian component S. Asian references whether they’re Brahui, Pashtun or whatever . They all carry significant E./S. Eurasian. Any sample scoring 30% Gedrosian getss a 30% cut of their E./S. Eurasian

Same with the S. Indian references

You need to tally up all the E. Eurasians to get a total but you can be assured that it will end up being much more than 2-3%

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Stop talking out of your ass please. The Tats in Azerbaijan live in the Northeast bordering Dagestan. A region that didnt have much turkic prescence historically. Why should turkic ancestry increase towards Chechnya? The Tats are mixed. However not much with Turks but probably with other peasants and settled people previously living there. The most turkic regions in Azerbaijan Republic are in the Northwest bordering Georgia and Armenia and also in the south bordering Iran. The northeast is the least turkic region among all Azeris.

Tats are not a subgroup of Talysh. They have completely different origins. The Tats of Azerbaijan speak a dialect of Persian. Talysh speak a northwest iranic language.

Don't mix up Tats of Azerbaijan Rep. (SW-Iranic) with Tats of Iran (NW-Iranic). Tat is an exonym.

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I see Tats as Persianized Talysh people living in the Caucasus. You can have a different few. It is up to you.

Tats and even the Chechens would have some Eastern Eurasian ancestry for the same reason as why Eastern Iranic Ossetians would have some Eastern Asian ancestry.

Areas with mixed Tat and Caucasian Tatar (Azeri) population

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...aijan_1890.png

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Do you seriously think that the Caucasus component references don’t carry E. Eurasian ?? Here are the Caucasus component references from the Dodecad K12 spreadsheet

[FONT="]Dodecad K12 References [/FONT]
[FONT="]Population[/FONT]	[FONT="]Caucasus[/FONT]
[FONT="]Georgians[/FONT]	[FONT="]73.97[/FONT]
[FONT="]Abhkasians[/FONT]	[FONT="]70.00[/FONT]
[FONT="]North_Ossetians[/FONT]	[FONT="]56.70[/FONT]
[FONT="]Balkars[/FONT]	[FONT="]56.60[/FONT]
[FONT="]Adygei[/FONT]	[FONT="]56.54[/FONT]
[FONT="]Chechens[/FONT]	[FONT="]51.30[/FONT]
[FONT="]Turkish[/FONT]	[FONT="]46.40[/FONT]
[FONT="]Kumyks[/FONT]	[FONT="]46.30[/FONT]
[FONT="]Turks[/FONT]	[FONT="]46.25[/FONT]
[FONT="]Lezgins[/FONT]	[FONT="]45.60[/FONT]
[FONT="]Iranian[/FONT]	[FONT="]40.30[/FONT]
[FONT="]Nogais[/FONT]	37.23

Whatever E. Eurasian these references carry a sample scoring 50% Caucasus gets a 50% cut of their E. Eurasian.

Same thing for the Gedrosian component S. Asian references whether they’re Brahui, Pashtun or whatever . They all carry significant E./S. Eurasian. Any sample scoring 30% Gedrosian getss a 30% cut of their E./S. Eurasian

Same with the S. Indian references

You need to tally up all the E. Eurasians to get a total but you can be assured that it will end up being much more than 2-3%

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Get the fuck out of my face, Zoro! This thread is about Dodecad and in my book only Siberian, East Asian and Southeast Asian are Mongoloid components.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Get the fuck out of my face, Zoro! This thread is about Dodecad and in my book only Siberian, East Asian and Southeast Asian are Mongoloid components.

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This is how an ignorant Indian dumbass replies when they don’t get it

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Originally Posted by Guti

Tats and even the Chechens would have some Eastern Eurasian ancestry for the same reason as why Eastern Iranic Ossetians would have some Eastern Asian ancestry.

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Language is almost irrelevant in the Northwestern Caucasus when it comes to that. IE North Ossetians, Circassian Kabardians and Turkic Karachay-Balkars score similar amounts of Mongoloid (5-10%).

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Originally Posted by Zoro

This is how an ignorant Indian dumbass replies when they don’t get it

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I am Russian, not Indian. Yes, I've been against your propaganda for a long time. Some even suspect you might be Dilawer himself and he is known for holding a big fucking grudge against Gedmatch and Global25.