Es por eso que no es fiable y si tuviese que medir la "nordicidad" con samples españoles elegiría a los catalanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
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Es por eso que no es fiable y si tuviese que medir la "nordicidad" con samples españoles elegiría a los catalanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Si, por eso tienen un poquito más de germánico traído por los galos, en realidad ese extra germano es traído principalmente por los franceses a la peninsula ibérica el resto es ascendencia compartida esteparia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
Target: Gil_VicenteQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Distance: 2.2331% / 0.02233145
100.0 Southern_Portuguese
https://i.imgur.com/rdz46BH.jpg
Not sure how they would be in reality. Slightly higher steppe in the north should be expected. I would also expect higher african in the south going by this:
Spoiler!
Don't know what to make of the WHG or EEF.
Using the latest averages:
Distance to: Gil_Vicente
0.02233145 Southern_Portuguese
0.02256008 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02488614 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02507821 Spanish_Galicia
0.02589305 Spanish_Alacant
0.02627439 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02845471 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02973615 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03028934 Spanish_Valencia
0.03034411 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03062782 Spanish_Murcia
0.03140340 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03148799 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03172354 Spanish_Asturias
0.03199310 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03214734 Spanish_Baleares
0.03237051 Spanish_Menorca
0.03258607 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03268666 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03279146 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03296248 Spanish_Penedes
0.03353749 Northern_Portuguese
0.03384714 Spanish_Aragon
0.03456525 Spanish_Girona
0.03470729 Spanish_Pirineu
Here Northern_Portuguese came out too far, should be nearer Galicia. Given how close they are, don't really know why they are so far apart from me.
Could you share the sources so i could make experiments?Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
No hay diferencias conocidas entre el norte y sur de Portugal, la diferencia parece ser personal y no regional
https://i.postimg.cc/0v3Ff4Jq/k7admix.png
..pero si las hay, has trocado el norte y sur
https://i.postimg.cc/W4vs79RM/nortesul.png
PS: Y yo no usaría scaling para muestras modernas/submodernas
À falta de melhor estamos a especular. Parece lógico considerar que as samples do norte estariam mais perto da Galiza e as samples do sul mais perto da Andaluzia, mas pode não ser assim. É possível ver como o xavierlima ficava nesta experiência? Ou outras samples do norte que possas ter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruderico
Sí, en general sóis bastante homogéneos, al menos lo son esos 25 samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruderico
Edit:A ver que mire, les cambié el nombre varias veces...
https://i.imgur.com/lJC2Sii.png
No, no están cambiadas, las Northern son las que más puntúan en Galician
Creo que está bien.Quote:
Northern_Portuguese,0.10534944,0.14397967,0.037963 56,-0.00337356,0.04151213,-0.00247900,-0.00603178,0.00102544,0.02636089,0.02907678,0.0018 0422,0.00702711,-0.01192589,-0.01503156,0.00930433,0.00590756,0.00599767,-0.00249156,-0.00685767,0.00122278,-0.00083200,-0.00498722,0.00314978,-0.00021422,-0.00027922
North_Portugal,=EBC_Portugal1,+EBC_Portugal11,+EBC _Portugal13,+EBC_Portugal2,+EBC_Portugal7,+Portuga l11,+Portugal2,+Portugal3,+Portugal4,
Y las Southern las que más en Andalucía.
Southern_Portuguese,=EBC_Portugal10,+EBC_Portugal1 2,+EBC_Portugal9,+Portugal12,+Portugal13,+Portugal 14,+Portugal15,+Portugal6,+Portugal8,+Portugal9,
Target: South_Portugal
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
10.0 EBC_Portugal10
10.0 EBC_Portugal12
10.0 EBC_Portugal9
10.0 Portugal12
10.0 Portugal13
10.0 Portugal14
10.0 Portugal15
10.0 Portugal6
10.0 Portugal8
10.0 Portugal9
Ahí están las referencias individuales del datasheet de samples individuales.
Não é nem deixa de ser, não há nenhum indício que sugira diferenças entre o norte e o sul aqui em Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damião de Góis
O que vês ali no máximo é um litoral vs interior, com correlação semelhante em Espanha, daí que à medida que te afastes da costa ocidental uma das componentes aumente e a outra baixe - de um lado tens a Galiza e a Extremadura, do outro Astúrias e a Andaluzia que estão mais próximas à maioria das referências do centro de Espanha.
https://i.imgur.com/0YC791V.png
O Xavier também fica 100% Sul, apesar de ser nortenho de gema, mas totalmente do litoral.
A ver, no sabemos de donde son las muestras y solo hay 25 individuos, no he separado muestras de individuos del sur y del norte de Portugal, solo he separado individuos que en teoría se acercarían más a galicia, según su genética, o a Andalucía.
Y ahora que lo pienso, no miramos también las distancias , para haber quitado a las demasiado distantes aunque puntuaran alto en uno u otro.:picard1:
En todo caso, según lo que hicimos ayer, estos serían los samples:
y estas son las medias entre las que empiezan por S y por N que tengo en el documento de tezto donde lo guardé todo:Code:NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal1,0.105855,0.145221,0.041106,-0.001938,0.036314,-0.000558,-0.005405,-0.005538,0.026997,0.030251,-0.001624,0.013488,-0.013379,-0.013212,0.015065,0.001989,0.001956,0.00038,-0.008422,-0.001251,-0.001747,-0.001731,-0.002095,-0.00253,0.001557
SPortuguese:EBC_Portugal10,0.105855,0.144205,0.039221,-0.007106,0.041546,-0.001673,-0.00094,0.009461,0.032315,0.034443,0.002273,0.006744,-0.007879,-0.007707,0.009229,-0.006629,-0.014473,-0.00266,-0.007919,5e-04,-0.000125,0.001237,0.003328,-0.001205,0.002874
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal11,0.104717,0.141159,0.035072,-0.001938,0.038161,-0.001116,-0.004465,0.004846,0.03027,0.027518,0.005846,0.007194,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.011672,0.001193,0.00339,-0.003674,-0.005531,5e-04,-0.001123,-0.002473,-0.000739,-0.009399,0.00455
SPortuguese:EBC_Portugal12,0.102441,0.146236,0.038466,-0.001615,0.039084,-0.001952,-0.002585,0.006692,0.023725,0.028976,-0.000974,0.004646,-0.009812,-0.004542,0.010586,-0.008751,-0.015125,0.00076,-0.005531,-0.001751,0.004367,-0.001237,0.003081,-0.005543,0.003233
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal13,0.104717,0.147252,0.03017,-0.002261,0.043085,0.001116,-0.00846,-0.002308,0.023725,0.034807,0.004709,0.002847,-0.015907,-0.014313,0.009636,0.001591,-0.001956,0.000887,-0.007668,-0.000375,0.005241,-0.007048,0.00419,-0.001084,0.000599
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal2,0.09675,0.142174,0.029038,-0.009044,0.0397,-0.010319,-0.00047,-0.001385,0.019225,0.026606,-0.00065,0.003447,-0.007284,-0.017203,0.006786,0.014452,0.024643,-0.002154,-0.005154,0.005628,0.002121,-0.006306,-0.001479,0.007832,-0.003592
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal7,0.104717,0.147252,0.039598,-0.010336,0.035699,-0.004741,-0.004465,0.003461,0.022907,0.02442,0,0.005395,-0.009663,-0.016928,0.003664,0.004773,-0.00013,0.001647,-0.002011,-0.005378,0.001996,-0.003586,0.001356,0.00241,0.000479
SPortuguese:EBC_Portugal9,0.104717,0.144205,0.035449,0.001938,0.0437,-0.001673,0.000705,-0.002077,0.029451,0.032074,-0.003735,0.004046,-0.014123,-0.003991,0.0095,-0.009546,-0.011474,-0.006841,-0.004022,-0.005628,-0.000499,-0.005688,-0.004437,-0.006145,-0.002994
NPortuguese:Portugal11,0.112685,0.139128,0.045632,-0.000969,0.0397,0.00251,-0.00423,0.002769,0.036814,0.028976,0.001624,0.01094,-0.013974,-0.01445,0.012486,0.009016,0.014081,-0.005194,-0.008673,0.004877,-0.00025,-0.002226,0.001849,0.003494,-0.00467
SPortuguese:Portugal12,0.100164,0.147252,0.035826,-0.008075,0.045239,-0.008925,-0.000705,-0.002077,0.023111,0.024055,0.007145,0.01154,-0.014271,0.000275,0.010858,-0.008353,0.006389,0.004054,-0.004525,0.002501,-0.001872,-0.001237,0.001972,-0.002048,0.007305
SPortuguese:Portugal13,0.106994,0.147252,0.026021,-0.007106,0.041546,-0.001952,0.003995,-0.002077,0.028429,0.030069,0.000812,0.006744,-0.017988,-0.012799,0.020494,-0.002784,0.000913,-0.010008,-0.006034,-0.005503,0.000749,-0.002597,0.005053,-0.004097,0.004071
SPortuguese:Portugal14,0.108132,0.142174,0.034695,-0.007429,0.050163,-0.014502,-0.00564,0.008307,0.02352,0.030798,-0.00341,0.008093,-0.012785,-0.020781,0.014658,0.013524,-0.007562,0.006714,-0.013073,-0.002876,-0.000624,0.000495,0.00037,-0.003012,0.006347
SPortuguese:Portugal15,0.106994,0.137096,0.02489,-0.006137,0.039084,-0.008367,-0.002585,0.000692,0.028838,0.03098,0.00065,0.012889,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.019815,-0.003713,-0.009648,-0.000887,-0.003897,0.003752,0.002371,0.001855,-0.006655,0.000241,0.004311
NPortuguese:Portugal2,0.114961,0.142174,0.04186,-0.000969,0.045855,0.001673,-0.008695,-0.000692,0.026588,0.027335,0,0.005845,-0.01115,-0.016515,0.011401,0.010077,0.00326,-0.00114,-0.004902,0.001501,-0.004492,-0.005688,0.006532,0.001205,-0.001197
NPortuguese:Portugal3,0.103579,0.147252,0.048649,0.006137,0.044316,-0.006414,-0.006345,0.004615,0.02577,0.02442,0.006333,0.009142,-0.015015,-0.023121,0.015472,-0.00358,-0.001956,-0.003294,-0.00352,0.003877,-0.006988,-0.005193,0.009244,-0.003133,-0.00467
NPortuguese:Portugal4,0.100164,0.144205,0.030547,-0.009044,0.050779,-0.004462,-0.011751,0.003461,0.024952,0.037358,0,0.004946,-0.012487,-0.007294,-0.002443,0.013657,0.010691,-0.009882,-0.015838,0.001626,-0.002246,-0.010634,0.00949,-0.000723,0.004431
SPortuguese:Portugal6,0.097888,0.138112,0.036204,-0.007752,0.042469,-0.007251,-0.007755,0.007846,0.02986,0.018224,-0.009094,0.006744,-0.012487,-0.006606,0.011265,-0.008221,-0.002868,0.004687,-0.003645,-0.003877,0.005615,-0.004451,0.003328,0.006627,0.000838
SSPortuguese:Portugal8,0.104717,0.147252,0.033941,0.003876,0.048932,-0.002789,-0.005405,0.005538,0.027815,0.028793,-0.001461,0.005395,-0.016055,-0.005092,0.012351,-0.016176,-0.008475,-0.005321,-0.007668,-0.008254,0.007736,0.006059,-0.00419,0.001325,-0.003592
SPortuguese:Portugal9,0.110408,0.153345,0.034695,-0.00646,0.038469,0.001116,-0.008225,-0.001385,0.021475,0.032256,-0.009743,0.010041,-0.011893,-0.007156,0.013165,-0.008618,-0.019036,0.004687,-0.004399,-0.001,0.014474,-0.004081,0.000493,-0.009278,-0.000718
Y he vuelto a hacer lo que hice esta mañana y sale lo mismo:Code:Northern_Portuguese,0.10534944,0.14397967,0.03796356,-0.00337356,0.04151213,-0.00247900,-0.00603178,0.00102544,0.02636089,0.02907678,0.00180422,0.00702711,-0.01192589,-0.01503156,0.00930433,0.00590756,0.00599767,-0.00249156,-0.00685767,0.00122278,-0.00083200,-0.00498722,0.00314978,-0.00021422,-0.00027922
Southern_Portuguese,0.10483100,0.14471290,0.033940800,-0.00458660,0.04302320,-0.00479680,-0.00291400,0.00309200,0.02685390,0.02906680,-0.00175370,0.00768820,-0.01387000,-0.00831250,0.01319210,-0.00592670,-0.00813590,-0.00048150,-0.00607130,-0.00221360,0.00321920,-0.00096450,0.00023430,-0.00231350,0.00216750
https://i.imgur.com/MvA6r3z.png
Me estáis liando entre todos, ya he posteado dos veces todo, y encima no paro desde que estaba hablando antes con defcon2, de tener timeout error seguidos de database errors en cadena, y me estoy empezando a desesperar con no poder responder cosas inmediatamente.:mad:
Ya volveré luego, comprobad lo que os dé la gana, he posteado todo.A ver si luego me va todo mejor.;)
de teXXXXXXXto!!!:picard1: