So Zborowski and Zbrojewicz and every other Z...ski/icz are Goth peasants?:
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So Zborowski and Zbrojewicz and every other Z...ski/icz are Goth peasants?:
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And this makes clear, why they did have IE admix.Quote:
Originally Posted by mlukas
Of course not. They were Non-Indo-Europeans obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by mlukas
Here he goes again... Poles this, Poles that. Poles R1a nobility ruling over I/J peasants, now Poles are at the same time "conquering IE nobility" and "oldest European hunter-gatherers"? Better tell me what you guys aren't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
No, by the time of this article Motala genomes were not yet known (some other HGs were though), and I already explained fallacy behind those "admixutre charts". Face it, you are not functionally close to native Europeans, you do not look like them at all, you do not have any direct line towards them, and you do not descend from them, period.
And? There is I2a1b in northern France, on Gotland, in Sweden, in Loschbour, in Neolithic Germany and it evidently dominated pre-Bronze Age Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
But it's not about that. It's about being I2a1b "Dinaric" (L147.2). And none of those are Dinaric, except Motala12 sample.
And you can clearly see that this sample is most probably I2a1b1, which is "Isles", and it split away from "Disles" (and Dinaric, which is its child-clade) a very long time ago.
Uff...Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
Not at the same time. In Mesolithic times we were hunter-gatherers, in the Bronze Age we were IE nobility. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
Those were two DIFFERENT TIMES. Remember, that IE nobility was descended mostly from hunter-gatherers.
You know very well what I meant. Of course everyone on Earth was hunter-gatherer back in then, but see, you were in easternmost Europe back in then, and for most of Upper Palaeolithic you weren't even in any part of Europe. What I meant is that you are definitely not related to main European hunter-gatherers (Cro-Magnons) like Motala, to which you have no connection because of aforementioned reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
IE "nobility" (lmao) was an intrusive element, not native one.
Ancient Greeks were polacks too.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
I have more matching segments with Neolithic Greeks, than do modern Greeks: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...-Greek-genomes
^^^ That explains a lot:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4213680
If you are talking about this ficional long as hell period ofQuote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
time, then you also were not here according to the same
thesis for almost a half of that period. So... But of course
it is not a real thing, so, it is meaningless.
According to the same thesis on which you are making this claim, everybody was Cro.Quote:
What I meant is that you are definitely not related to main European hunter-gatherers (Cro-Magnons)
Ubfortuinatly for you, Motala has IE autosomal admix.Quote:
like Motala,
And this is the point of his!Quote:
IE "nobility" (lmao) was an intrusive element,
You are not native too, becasue C1 were before you,Quote:
not native one.
and before them - neanderthals. So what's your point?
I don't get it, what is so amazing in being in Europe, when europe did not existed yet, becasue Europe was created by IEs.
It is generally meaningless, but native IE land it is half
of Europe, whole Eastern European Plain, plus some
border lands like Ciscaucasia, Österland, Romania...
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...3&d=1493623769